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johnola said:
Utilities and infrastructure. We’ve got a long way to go back.

Screw paying foreign shareholders it has failed.
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Having the joy of being able to travel its clear how screwed we have the system. I have been in France and Italy in the last year and been on journeys using local franchises that own franchises here and you can see what happening, their services are clean, cheap and regular.....in comparison, its now £23.00 return for less than 20 mins journey from Upminster here with the same franchise and one where the trains are near collapse, they stink of tinkle and there are recently scores of delays.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Having the joy of being able to travel its clear how screwed we have the system. I have been in France and Italy in the last year and been on journeys using local franchises that own franchises here and you can see what happening, their services are clean, cheap and regular.....in comparison, its now £23.00 return for less than 20 mins journey from Upminster here with the same franchise and one where the trains are near collapse, they stink of tinkle and there are recently scores of delays.
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I paid £21 return from Shenfield to Liverpool Street yesterday, 20 mins journey
Parking was £12.70

Ridiculous
 
Grays_1890 said:
Having the joy of being able to travel its clear how screwed we have the system. I have been in France and Italy in the last year and been on journeys using local franchises that own franchises here and you can see what happening, their services are clean, cheap and regular.....in comparison, its now £23.00 return for less than 20 mins journey from Upminster here with the same franchise and one where the trains are near collapse, they stink of tinkle and there are recently scores of delays.
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We were in France and Spain last year and comparable journeys to England are just soooo much cheaper.

I've even been looking at Paris to Bordeaux type train journeys as sometimes the prices of flights (once all the extra brick is added in) are silly. If I lived down the Kent end of the channel or even London (out of St P) I'd always check train options to Europe. And train stations and travel vs airports and flying..no contest.
 
I'm open to nationalisation of all the essentials as long as the reasoning, plan and execution is convincing (big ask, I know, but cross party consensus needs to be a big part of the starting point)
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
We were in France and Spain last year and comparable journeys to England are just soooo much cheaper.

I've even been looking at Paris to Bordeaux type train journeys as sometimes the prices of flights (once all the extra brick is added in) are silly. If I lived down the Kent end of the channel or even London (out of St P) I'd always check train options to Europe. And train stations and travel vs airports and flying..no contest.
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Yeh I did something like a 40 min journey from Paris to a client and honestly it was filthy cheap.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Having the joy of being able to travel its clear how screwed we have the system. I have been in France and Italy in the last year and been on journeys using local franchises that own franchises here and you can see what happening, their services are clean, cheap and regular.....in comparison, its now £23.00 return for less than 20 mins journey from Upminster here with the same franchise and one where the trains are near collapse, they stink of tinkle and there are recently scores of delays.
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I believe a lot of European providers own Uk rail franchises and hike our prices to subsidise their own.
 
Hopefully this creates a bit of momentum and Thames Water, Cross Country and Avanti follow soon after.

Actually, literally taking our country back
 
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