These are assembly factory staff we're talking about.
They couldn't even spell self-employed, let alone put together an invoice for me.
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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They couldn't even spell self-employed, let alone put together an invoice for me.
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
Cheers for that pal, massively inline with what I've seen. There is def an issue of lazy parenting and devices spilling over
I'm sorry but this is an example of the utter b***ocks that we've had to deal with in relation to Brexit. Look at the state of the sources in that screenshot. I've already dealt with "The Lord Mayor of London says...."
But the thing I really feel the need to jump on is this "We've calculated how much poorer the UK us because of Brexit."
So in the thing you've posted it says "the city of London has so many fewer jobs than if Brexit hadn't happened". So everyone reads it and goes "oh sh**, Brexit has really been bad". It's a lie though. The City of London has more jobs than when Brexit happened. Even the Lord Mayor of London says so in his analysis.
So what these analyses are doing is making a prediction about how things would have looked if Brexit hadn't happened and then comparing them to now. They then present this as some kind of factual analysis when it is actually something that has been plucked out of their a**.
A lot of these analyses use, for example, UK economic performance projections carried out by the OECD and World Bank before the Brexit referendum in 2016. So some of these organisations will have done a 10 year view of the UK in, say, 2015, and we are below some of these projections.
What these people don't do, however, is look at where the UK is currently, compared to where all of our peers are currently and look at how those projections fared with other countries.
The truth is that the global economy is well down on where analysts in 2015 saw it. Covid, the deterioration in the global geopolitical situation, political instability in many major economies, all of these have had a huge impact.
I don't actually know if we are poorer because of Brexit. Nobody does. If they tell you that they can say for sure what the economic impact of Brexit has been with any confidence, they're a total mug, that is not worth listening to.
I can tell you this though: our GDP and growth has been in line with previous trajectories/trends and in line with peers. And certainly there has been no obvious negative or positive impact on metrics such as employment, house prices, average wage, because of Brexit (so far). Things have generally continued upwards at a rate consistent with the previous 20 - 30 years and we are about where we were in relation ro peers such as Germany, France etc, so unless it was the case that had we stayed in the EU we'd have shot up above the pack and started to significant increase our upwards trajectory in terms of growth, employment, wage rises etc, I think the surprising thing about Brexit is how little obvious measurable impact it has had (so far).
What was that about causation and correlation?
You're assuming we're worse off because of Brexit but Germany isn't? Seems like a guess loaded with prejudice to me.
That's not to say we're getting things right. One of the best reasons for Brexit is to compete with the EU for business on taxation and regulation. Unfortunately, Sunak turned out to be a trot in sheep's clothing and Rachel Thieves is even worse.
But the Brexit effect without us making the most of those advantages is pretty much nothing, as expected.
People with that intent don't give civilians warning and the opportunity to move our of the warzone before attacking.
Of course there is a certain group in that area whose actions do regularly meet that definition.
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I live in a reasonably nice area. It's not Mayfair but it's not a grubby estate either. But I wouldn't dream of sending my kids to the local comps.
The Lord Mayor of London estimates....
AKA the only man who makes David Lammy seem conpetent
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
Alastair King?The Lord Mayor of London estimates....
AKA the only man who makes David Lammy seem conpetent
I did wonder that. If you rely on AI for answers...,
SpiderSpurs
Andy Gray
You think that back in 2020, Covid was just 'a cold'?
What i find amazing is that 8 years or so on from the Brexit referendum, the vast majority of people on both sides of the debate that still hold strong opinions, have so little clue about EU membership, what it entails, how it works, the various institutions that make it up. The European Banking Authority was a case in point. It had the power to issue secondary legislation, such as regulatory technical standards that applied directly to memberstates. The vast majority of people still don't know the EBA exists, let alone what it does. That's fundamentally why I voted for Brexit. I've worked with the EU and it's institutions for years. Actually, a lot of these laws are good laws and a lot of the people working for the EU are good, intelligent, hard-working people. But it did strike me that these people were making daily far-reaching decisions with no democratic oversight, or even knowledge of Europe's citizens. Even most MPs, and government ministers, would not have understood the EU, let alone in the detail necessary to provide effective oversight in respect of the interests of their constituents.
Yep.
We fudged our economy for a cold. Do you think people would still have wanted the expenditure if they'd known it would cost as much as WWII?
So two of my friends died of cold?
On this topic, you are talking f*cking bollox. It is clear you didn't lose someone to it.
I've lost friends to cancer. I don't think we should kill our economy to try and stop that. I've lost friends in car accidents - I don't want to fudge the economy by closing all roads.
SpiderSpurs
Andy Gray
That is total bollox!
You're right, it actually cost somewhere between 2 and 3 times as much and we're not done yet.
spurspinter1
Pat van den Hauwe
I think you may have misread the intention of that message.
@spurspinter1 regularly disagrees with me, his lefty echo chamber tells him pretty much the opposite of everything I say and think. That was a comment pointed at me, not you.
Going to get a bit technical but we have to differentiate between a disease and a pathogenic cause:
- Covid refers to the disease caused by a virus known as SARS COV 2.
- Right from the start this virus actually didnt cause any disease in many people it infected.
- For most the disease it caused would have fitted the description of a common cold
- In some the virus causes SARS (Severe Acute Respiratary Syndrome), otherwise known as "you can't breathe".
It's actually this combination of factors that made the virus so dangerous. The original SARS coronavirus caused severe symptoms in the majority of people it infected meaning those that got it stayed in bed and didn't infect people and it was easily identifiable without testing (and therefore easily controllable) by medical professionals and agencies.
What made the latest SARS virus so dangerous was the very fact that it infiltrates the general population under the radar ("I'm not ill at all" or "it's only a cold" but rapidly finds a load of vulnerable people that develop severe symptoms requiring intensive medical intervention.
- Covid refers to the disease caused by a virus known as SARS COV 2.
- Right from the start this virus actually didnt cause any disease in many people it infected.
- For most the disease it caused would have fitted the description of a common cold
- In some the virus causes SARS (Severe Acute Respiratary Syndrome), otherwise known as "you can't breathe".
It's actually this combination of factors that made the virus so dangerous. The original SARS coronavirus caused severe symptoms in the majority of people it infected meaning those that got it stayed in bed and didn't infect people and it was easily identifiable without testing (and therefore easily controllable) by medical professionals and agencies.
What made the latest SARS virus so dangerous was the very fact that it infiltrates the general population under the radar ("I'm not ill at all" or "it's only a cold" but rapidly finds a load of vulnerable people that develop severe symptoms requiring intensive medical intervention.
Should have made it clearer then.