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Mikey10 said:
I suppose when the incoming president tells the electorate during the campaign that “after this election you won’t have to vote any more”, having previously incited an insurrection when he lost a free and fair election, it tends to set a few alarm bells ringing.
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He must have missed that statement "There are none so blind, as those who cannot see."
 
SkipRat said:
Labour will lose because they will do f*ck all to end mass migration.

Not deport all illegal immigrants and those that crossed by boats.

Imprisoning people for being correct, regarding the stabbings.

Labelling the majority of people far right.

People ain't gonna vote for a c*nt who hates them.

I said it before and i will say it agsin.

Don't listen at your peril.
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Hyperbole much? "Labelling the majority of people as far right." Really? Methinks you are the one out of touch...out of touch with reality.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Hyperbole much? "Labelling the majority of people as far right." Really? Methinks you are the one out of touch...out of touch with reality.
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Don't listen much?

Me thinks you don't want to face reality.

Just sick your fingers in your ears singing la la la la.

The left/Democrats just got oblitorated in US and you just don't learn.

Just insults and thinking you know better.

And you will under estimate Kemi Badonoch, insult her, hear what you want to hear, then wonder how she become the next PM.
 
SkipRat said:
Don't listen much?

Me thinks you don't want to face reality.

Just sick your fingers in your ears singing la la la la.

The left/Democrats just got oblitorated in US and you just don't learn.

Just insults and thinking you know better.

And you will under estimate Kemi Badonoch, insult her, hear what you want to hear, then wonder how she become the next PM.
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Consider what you just wrote. You stated that Starmer labelled the "majority" of British people as far right. What nonsense. But hey, I guess it makes sense in your addled head.
 
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Kompakted said:
You said you found the issues around the vaccine confusing so I was just trying to pass on the "inside info" I'm aware of.
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I think the word (or inference?) you're missing in my 'confusion' was 'conspiracy'.
I was always confused regarding why there was a conspiracy theory behind the production of the vaccine.
I was stating my belief that such things are in constant development, and as such the 'publicly short' turnaround time was a poor measure of the entirety of the process, given that research is continual and the root of this particular series of vaccine researches could well have been a decade (as I indeed found out was the case).

I am actually a little sad that you somehow possibly conflated me with a vaccine conspiracist?
 
Kompakted said:
But what he says is kind of irrelevant - he was democratically elected. Churchill said the greatest argument against democracy was a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.
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You can be as obtuse as you like, I refuse top believe you don't see the full scope of the game in play.
 
Kompakted said:
I mean my point, whether in America or here, is that it doesn't matter what someone says - Trump is very open about who he is, warts and all. Not in a self-reflective way of course, more in a "what he is, is there for all to see". People voted for him in huge numbers. That's democracy. If there was a democratic vote to end democracy, would that be undemocratic? Interesting debate question right there....
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That's EXACTLY what just happened in the US.
You don't have to 'debate' it, just watch and see your answer unfold.
The only thing Trump is open about is that he lies repeatedly. I, too, have said that no-one can accuse of him lying about what he is, the problem is that thanks to Reagan absolutely fudging public education back in the day, you have an angry and relatively uneducated swathe of people who have been fudged by the promise of trickle down economics, see every Democrat as a communist dictator, and thus end up seeing silver tongues billionaire liars and thieves as their saviours. Thus a vote which has effectively ended 'democracy'? Is it 'undemocratic'? THAT depends on your definition of true democracy!!!!

Perhaps the more interesting debate question is whether lying matters in a free society?
 
thfcsteff said:
That's EXACTLY what just happened in the US.
You don't have to 'debate' it, just watch and see your answer unfold.
The only thing Trump is open about is that he lies repeatedly. I, too, have said that no-one can accuse of him lying about what he is, the problem is that thanks to Reagan absolutely fudging public education back in the day, you have an angry and relatively uneducated swathe of people who have been fudged by the promise of trickle down economics, see every Democrat as a communist dictator, and thus end up seeing silver tongues billionaire liars and thieves as their saviours. Thus a vote which has effectively ended 'democracy'? Is it 'undemocratic'? THAT depends on your definition of true democracy!!!!

Perhaps the more interesting debate question is whether lying matters in a free society?
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Exactly how did that happen?

You saying that there is not going to be another election USA?
 
SkipRat said:
Exactly how did that happen?

You saying that there is not going to be another election USA?
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Many pathways, many reasons, all which have been discussed here.

I think it is worth taking him at face value. He has suggested he will be investigating the abolition of term-limits, etc. As for a 'fair and free election' again in his era, what do YOU think?!
 
thfcsteff said:
Many pathways, many reasons, all which have been discussed here.

I think it is worth taking him at face value. He has suggested he will be investigating the abolition of term-limits, etc. As for a 'fair and free election' again in his era, what do YOU think?!
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It all depends on what he defines as term limits?

Is it term limits as in two elections? Maybe he want's to get voted in multiple times with elections ever 4 years, doesn't mean democracy is dead. Or is it for an unlimited term time indicating there is never to be an election again? In which case democracy would be dead.

America is in a State of civil war, whilst it may not be in the normal sense of battles and bullets, it is currently at war with its self... If the definition is the later one...

Then you will see a classic civil war...

Or states break away to form independent countries.

I really couldn't careless, I'm still tinkled left are so weak and pathetic that they lost to derranged, incompetent taco waffle.
 
SkipRat said:
It all depends on what he defines as term limits?

Is it term limits as in two elections? Maybe he want's to get voted in multiple times with elections ever 4 years, doesn't mean democracy is dead. Or is it for an unlimited term time indicating there is never to be an election again? In which case democracy would be dead.
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Don't be naive. As I believe you said yourself somewhere, he has been pretty open about his intentions. Have you any idea how he had set up potential interference at polling stations around the country? How he had plans and people in place to dispute if it was against him? How he had lawsuits ready to file to disrupt the process? And that is with what is left of the system in place! Even if he goes the 'no more term limits' route, he still has tools and aperatus in place (including the judicial system) to essentially dictate the process.


SkipRat said:
America is in a State of civil war, whilst it may not be in the normal sense of battles and bullets, it is currently at war with its self... If the definition is the later one...

Then you will see a classic civil war...
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I do not need this explained to me thanks. I have been fully aware for some time.


SkipRat said:
Or states break away to form independent countries.
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Again, not in any news to me, albeit this process will take a good deal longer and anyone who thinks he'll just let California dance off into independence is crazy (too much financial muscle to lose).


SkipRat said:
I really couldn't careless, I'm still tinkled left are so weak and pathetic that they lost to derranged, incompetent taco waffle.
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You should care. Greatly. As an ecologist alone, his appointment is going to have profound ramifications for the planet. Take it wider, and the ramifications all round will most certainly impact the world.
 
thfcsteff said:
Don't be naive. As I believe you said yourself somewhere, he has been pretty open about his intentions. Have you any idea how he had set up potential interference at polling stations around the country? How he had plans and people in place to dispute if it was against him? How he had lawsuits ready to file to disrupt the process? And that is with what is left of the system in place! Even if he goes the 'no more term limits' route, he still has tools and aperatus in place (including the judicial system) to essentially dictate the process.




I do not need this explained to me thanks. I have been fully aware for some time.




Again, not in any news to me, albeit this process will take a good deal longer and anyone who thinks he'll just let California dance off into independence is crazy (too much financial muscle to lose).




You should care. Greatly. As an ecologist alone, his appointment is going to have profound ramifications for the planet. Take it wider, and the ramifications all round will most certainly impact the world.
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Beyond the geopolitical ramifications, and there are many, this is the real gut punch. The small window in which we can affect things at all is closing fast (or some might argue it is already shut but that is a different conversation) and the anti-climate measures outlined in project 2025 alone will set us back years. That ignores the ripple effects this will have on policies in other countries. We are fudged.
 
Rorschach said:
I still can't wrap my mind around America going full fash over the price of eggs.
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I'm sure if you can't afford eggs it's very important.

Not that I believe for one second that Trump can or will improve their lot but it is important to a lot of people.
Hitler proved it, you can literally get away with murder if you improve enough people's financial outlook, or appear to.
 
thfcsteff said:
I think the word (or inference?) you're missing in my 'confusion' was 'conspiracy'.
I was always confused regarding why there was a conspiracy theory behind the production of the vaccine.
I was stating my belief that such things are in constant development, and as such the 'publicly short' turnaround time was a poor measure of the entirety of the process, given that research is continual and the root of this particular series of vaccine researches could well have been a decade (as I indeed found out was the case).

I am actually a little sad that you somehow possibly conflated me with a vaccine conspiracist?
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I think we've got our wires crossed and maybe it's how I came across replying - I didn't mean to imply anything was merely trying to add to your post, sorry.
 
glasgowspur said:
I'm sure if you can't afford eggs it's very important.

Not that I believe for one second that Trump can or will improve their lot but it is important to a lot of people.
Hitler proved it, you can literally get away with murder if you improve enough people's financial outlook, or appear to.
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I'm sure it is, and I've heard multiple reports of people saying this exact thing is the reason they voted for him. But they are about to find out soon that eggs will be the least of their worries (and eggs will be more expensive too!). The US economy was doing pretty well by most measures - inflation low, job numbers good, stock market riding high, GDP growth was good - but it is about to get utterly fudged up again as this is what Republicans do. Take a good economy and destroy it by giving rich pricks all the money, and then later the dems come in a clean up the mess. I'm not sure the 2nd part will happen this time though. The dems won't get in again as free elections are now a thing of the past over there.
It is an often repeated point on here that those controlling the message have the real power and those controlling the message are those same rich pricks.
 
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