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Paulinho
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El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Official - Paulinho
We're rating the Paulinho that we have seen playing for us so far. There is a LOT more to come.
Positives for me have been that he gets in to the right positions, he isn't afraid to shoot but doesn't feel a constant need to, he can pass the ball well and he possesses good technique.
I think his movement and technique have hinted that when he gets his game up to his top level, he'll be some player for us. A very, very good player.
The footballing names, listed in that Norwegian article, have seen him throughout his career and are aware of his capabilities, another reason to be hopeful.
We're rating the Paulinho that we have seen playing for us so far. There is a LOT more to come.
Positives for me have been that he gets in to the right positions, he isn't afraid to shoot but doesn't feel a constant need to, he can pass the ball well and he possesses good technique.
I think his movement and technique have hinted that when he gets his game up to his top level, he'll be some player for us. A very, very good player.
The footballing names, listed in that Norwegian article, have seen him throughout his career and are aware of his capabilities, another reason to be hopeful.
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Sean Davis
Re: Official - Paulinho
Personally don't think Paulinho would work deeper. He reminds me a lot of Ramires... or to throw a controversial example out there... Jenas. In the sense that he's plays far better passing while moving box to box... rather than starting play.
To play deeper alongside a DM in this system, IMO a CM needs to NOT do the following things: hold onto the ball for too long, take too many touches, not see forward passes quickly... basically not be a transition/pattern of play passer at all. To me, Paulinho so far seems to do all these things.
His best moments have been when he's further up the pitch while he's moving: combination play as he runs from deep, running onto through balls/knockdowns/flicks, bursting onto stuff in the box through good movement/late runs... etc. Just like Ramires. He's like a far, far better version of Jenas to me.
Agree also with El Guepardo... the positions he's getting into FREQUENTLY shows how good his movement is... and there are frequent touches of classes thrown in too... to me he's still adjusting, learning the pace of the game/the league/his role in the team... and will only continue to improve. As will his shooting (hopefully)... he gets into very good positions very consistently. Once he's nailed his pings he can be a big goalscoring asset for the team, I think.
I think it also helps when he has a CLEAR role in the team - when he gets paired with Dembele they get confused with their roles and we see Paulinho too deep too often. And he often.. too often... has to start the play... and I don't think we'll ever see the best of Paulinho when he does that. IMO it is not his game at all.
Personally don't think Paulinho would work deeper. He reminds me a lot of Ramires... or to throw a controversial example out there... Jenas. In the sense that he's plays far better passing while moving box to box... rather than starting play.
To play deeper alongside a DM in this system, IMO a CM needs to NOT do the following things: hold onto the ball for too long, take too many touches, not see forward passes quickly... basically not be a transition/pattern of play passer at all. To me, Paulinho so far seems to do all these things.
His best moments have been when he's further up the pitch while he's moving: combination play as he runs from deep, running onto through balls/knockdowns/flicks, bursting onto stuff in the box through good movement/late runs... etc. Just like Ramires. He's like a far, far better version of Jenas to me.
Agree also with El Guepardo... the positions he's getting into FREQUENTLY shows how good his movement is... and there are frequent touches of classes thrown in too... to me he's still adjusting, learning the pace of the game/the league/his role in the team... and will only continue to improve. As will his shooting (hopefully)... he gets into very good positions very consistently. Once he's nailed his pings he can be a big goalscoring asset for the team, I think.
I think it also helps when he has a CLEAR role in the team - when he gets paired with Dembele they get confused with their roles and we see Paulinho too deep too often. And he often.. too often... has to start the play... and I don't think we'll ever see the best of Paulinho when he does that. IMO it is not his game at all.
Klinsmania
Bobby Zamora
Re: Official - Paulinho
Are you sure you're not getting confused with Dembele? It's funny how different people see different things. For me he has been one of our most consistent players this season, and I'd always play him with Sandro and give Sandro the brief to just sit, and tell Paulinho to be the box to box man and make runs beyond the strikers. I think he he is far better at this than Dembele, who is just a slightly more muscular version of Jenas, only without the goal output.
Are you sure you're not getting confused with Dembele? It's funny how different people see different things. For me he has been one of our most consistent players this season, and I'd always play him with Sandro and give Sandro the brief to just sit, and tell Paulinho to be the box to box man and make runs beyond the strikers. I think he he is far better at this than Dembele, who is just a slightly more muscular version of Jenas, only without the goal output.
Cochise
Steve Carr
Re: Official - Paulinho
To be fair both do exactly that at times. I have seen them both drop to collect off Dawson and then stand still looking for somone to pass to. Normally it goes sideways because they have both fullbacks, centre halves and other MF sitting level or behind them. That in itself is another problem though.
To be fair both do exactly that at times. I have seen them both drop to collect off Dawson and then stand still looking for somone to pass to. Normally it goes sideways because they have both fullbacks, centre halves and other MF sitting level or behind them. That in itself is another problem though.
metalgear
Luka Modric
Re: Official - Paulinho
consistenly doing nothing more like it - goals, assists or even penetration.
dembele does something extremly well for me - by taking on and passing a player, its one less opponent in front of goal.
a box to box player must have the presence of mind to take advantage of his teammates positions to avoid a headless chicken scenario. gerrard and lampard are good examples of this - being there at the right time means providing the assist, goal or the crucial tackle that starts it.
maybe paulinho will grow into that role eventually. but based on current performance i don't think he has been effective enough. I'd rather replace him with a capoue who will provide 100% defensive cover and let the guy in the whole just concentrate on attacking without defensive duties holding him back - its simpler and would address immediately our problem of the lack of creativity/supply up front.
consistenly doing nothing more like it - goals, assists or even penetration.
dembele does something extremly well for me - by taking on and passing a player, its one less opponent in front of goal.
a box to box player must have the presence of mind to take advantage of his teammates positions to avoid a headless chicken scenario. gerrard and lampard are good examples of this - being there at the right time means providing the assist, goal or the crucial tackle that starts it.
maybe paulinho will grow into that role eventually. but based on current performance i don't think he has been effective enough. I'd rather replace him with a capoue who will provide 100% defensive cover and let the guy in the whole just concentrate on attacking without defensive duties holding him back - its simpler and would address immediately our problem of the lack of creativity/supply up front.
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indianspur
Guest
Re: Official - Paulinho
he has done ok so far. new league, new country, i think next season he will step it up a level in terms of goals and his general all round play. Im prepared to give this guy time because he certainly is putting in all his effort
he has done ok so far. new league, new country, i think next season he will step it up a level in terms of goals and his general all round play. Im prepared to give this guy time because he certainly is putting in all his effort
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: Official - Paulinho
Agreed. I think because he started quite strongly people have been expecting him to deliver consistently at a high level and that's perhaps a bit too much to ask.
Agreed. I think because he started quite strongly people have been expecting him to deliver consistently at a high level and that's perhaps a bit too much to ask.
metalgear
Luka Modric
Re: Official - Paulinho
i believe our fortunes will turn with Paulinho's performance. It seems that Paulinho is central to AVB's strategy to unlock space and get the extra man at the right place at the right time. his early good start was evidence of this; however there is another risk that we put too much of our gameplay on just one player, and consequently don't have a plan B when we need it. If we do, I hope AVB goes with pace on the wings and two DMs, so that we can free up the rest of the guys up front in attack. Fast, attacking football, just like we used to do.
i believe our fortunes will turn with Paulinho's performance. It seems that Paulinho is central to AVB's strategy to unlock space and get the extra man at the right place at the right time. his early good start was evidence of this; however there is another risk that we put too much of our gameplay on just one player, and consequently don't have a plan B when we need it. If we do, I hope AVB goes with pace on the wings and two DMs, so that we can free up the rest of the guys up front in attack. Fast, attacking football, just like we used to do.
Klinsmania
Bobby Zamora
Re: Official - Paulinho
I would agree with this point, but for the fact that he drops his shoulder, glides past the man as if he wasn't there, and then 9 times out of ten passes it square or backwards allowing that same man to drop back into position. I really do fail to see what he brings to the team. Granted he is excellent at holding on to the ball, but I think what we are crying our for is to move forward as a team quicker and with more purpose, and Dembele just slows down every single attack every single time.
I would agree with this point, but for the fact that he drops his shoulder, glides past the man as if he wasn't there, and then 9 times out of ten passes it square or backwards allowing that same man to drop back into position. I really do fail to see what he brings to the team. Granted he is excellent at holding on to the ball, but I think what we are crying our for is to move forward as a team quicker and with more purpose, and Dembele just slows down every single attack every single time.
papaspur
Kasey Keller
Re: Official - Paulinho
Hyperbole much?
IMO, it's the management's job to get our players playing as a unit. They know the strengths and weaknesses, and bar individual performances that are simply shocking, they're the ones that are supposed to get our team clicking together. I don't blame a player for being injured longer than he was supposed to; that blame falls squarely on the medical staff.
Hyperbole much?
IMO, it's the management's job to get our players playing as a unit. They know the strengths and weaknesses, and bar individual performances that are simply shocking, they're the ones that are supposed to get our team clicking together. I don't blame a player for being injured longer than he was supposed to; that blame falls squarely on the medical staff.
Re: Official - Paulinho
Tottenham Hotspur face the prospect of Real Madrid raiding them for the third successive year with the Spanish giants interested in signing midfielder Paulinho.
The Brazilian international only joined Spurs last summer, in a £17 million deal, but has already attracted the interest of Real coach Carlo Ancelotti.
Spurs have had to deal with losing Luka Modric and then, of course, Gareth Bale, for a world-record £85 million to Real and would resist any attempt to sign Paulinho.
The 25-year-old is settled in London and is unlikely to want to seek a move but the draw of joining Real will be hard to resist should a bid be tabled.
It had been expected that Real would wait until the summer before bidding for Paulinho but Ancelotti is aware that there is interest from other European clubs to sign him.
Spurs beat off competition from Roma, Inter Milan and CSKA Moscow to acquire Paulinho from the Brazilian club Corinthians after he had starred in last summer’s Confederations Cup.
He will be a key member of Luis Felipe Scolari’s Brazil squad for next year’s World Cup.
Despite Spurs’ difficult campaign so far, with head coach Andre Villas-Boas having been replaced by Tim Sherwood after a series of fall-outs with chairman Daniel Levy, and heavy defeats to Emirates Marketing Project and Liverpool, Paulinho has been a success.
He was one of seven summer signings, at a cost of £107 million, largely financed by the sale of Bale, with Villas-Boas having targeted Paulinho as the key man in a reshaped midfield.
Real have been involved in two difficult transfer sagas with Spurs and the Premier League club will want to avoid another and hope that any interest in Paulinho will wait until the summer.
Ancelotti is, nevertheless, a huge admirer of the Brazilian and has already made discreet soundings about whether he might be available for transfer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10540595/Tottenham-braced-for-another-battle-with-Real-Madrid-as-Paulinho-targeted-by-Spaniards.html
Wasn't there something about him being signed based on scouting reports from Real Madrid, due to our special "arrangement"?
Tottenham Hotspur face the prospect of Real Madrid raiding them for the third successive year with the Spanish giants interested in signing midfielder Paulinho.
The Brazilian international only joined Spurs last summer, in a £17 million deal, but has already attracted the interest of Real coach Carlo Ancelotti.
Spurs have had to deal with losing Luka Modric and then, of course, Gareth Bale, for a world-record £85 million to Real and would resist any attempt to sign Paulinho.
The 25-year-old is settled in London and is unlikely to want to seek a move but the draw of joining Real will be hard to resist should a bid be tabled.
It had been expected that Real would wait until the summer before bidding for Paulinho but Ancelotti is aware that there is interest from other European clubs to sign him.
Spurs beat off competition from Roma, Inter Milan and CSKA Moscow to acquire Paulinho from the Brazilian club Corinthians after he had starred in last summer’s Confederations Cup.
He will be a key member of Luis Felipe Scolari’s Brazil squad for next year’s World Cup.
Despite Spurs’ difficult campaign so far, with head coach Andre Villas-Boas having been replaced by Tim Sherwood after a series of fall-outs with chairman Daniel Levy, and heavy defeats to Emirates Marketing Project and Liverpool, Paulinho has been a success.
He was one of seven summer signings, at a cost of £107 million, largely financed by the sale of Bale, with Villas-Boas having targeted Paulinho as the key man in a reshaped midfield.
Real have been involved in two difficult transfer sagas with Spurs and the Premier League club will want to avoid another and hope that any interest in Paulinho will wait until the summer.
Ancelotti is, nevertheless, a huge admirer of the Brazilian and has already made discreet soundings about whether he might be available for transfer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10540595/Tottenham-braced-for-another-battle-with-Real-Madrid-as-Paulinho-targeted-by-Spaniards.html
Wasn't there something about him being signed based on scouting reports from Real Madrid, due to our special "arrangement"?
DHSF
Les Ferdinand
Re: Official - Paulinho
I dont think he is as bad as people make out and I actually think he is a good player as long as he is asked to play further of the (back then) two midfielders. The thing is - his finishing is ****e, his passing is poor, he doesnt tackle much BUT he makes some very very good runs. A bit like Jenas hmmmmmmmmmm haha.
I dont think he is as bad as people make out and I actually think he is a good player as long as he is asked to play further of the (back then) two midfielders. The thing is - his finishing is ****e, his passing is poor, he doesnt tackle much BUT he makes some very very good runs. A bit like Jenas hmmmmmmmmmm haha.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Re: Official - Paulinho
I don't think we have seen the best of him yet. I hope he will be given a freer role than under AVB. He gets into good positions. Hopefully he will be able to do more of this and start to deliver for us very soon. I have high hopes for him based on what he does for Brazil.
I don't think we have seen the best of him yet. I hope he will be given a freer role than under AVB. He gets into good positions. Hopefully he will be able to do more of this and start to deliver for us very soon. I have high hopes for him based on what he does for Brazil.