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***OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Racist Rent Boys***

If you ever see me near Stamford Bridge or a TV next time we play that lot there, please...

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Shoot me, just shoot me.

I really can't see us winning their any time soon, in fact I can't even see us winning there in my life time.

The first 40 minutes we were outstanding, best I've seen us play since the City game, then we turn to sh!t. I knew if we started giving it away in a sloppy way then they'd get right back in it, sadly they did exactly that just minutes after we became brain dead.

The second half was absolutely awful, wtf has happened to this lot? Is it just Toby missing? have they all packed it in and thought 'f@ck it'? Is there something we don't know, a falling out? A lack of confidence? A problem financially ala the stadium?

When Harry got injured I absolutely sh@t my pants just like everyone else, but I was wrong, however, when Toby got injured oh my GHod, nothing could've prepared me for this. We have been sh!t since his injury, f@cking awful. We didn't hit the target once, not fudging once after they equalised.

Absolutely f@cking typical as well, WE NEVER EVER GET REVENGE OR PAYBACK, WE NEVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT F@CKING ANYTHING, JUST SIT THERE AND F@CKING SULK LIKE A BUNCH OF SOPPY D!CKHEADS!!

League title, you're having a laugh.

And oh yeah, we're now in crisis yet a f@cking again, t'riffic.
 
I understand why you are tinkled off but imo, that analysis is a travesty compared to what actually happened. Do not disagree we were less at it second half but for me - despite the cruel timing of their first goal - the fight was still there in the second. I just think it's unreasonable to have expected us to maintain 100% the level of energy and sharpness throughout a game, I don't care who you are there is always going to be a spell when things drop off a little.

We lost because of a couple of schoolboy errors against a money-doped team that can afford some of the world's best players, that is all.

You're goddamn right I'm p*ssed off. You're p*ssed off too. And to me, there was next to no fight - I'll be kind and say that Wanyama's late surge and a few challenges here and there were passionate enough, but I could not watch us lose nearly every header in midfield, nearly every 50-50 across the pitch, be sent backpedalling time and time and time again by a simple counter-press by a couple of Chelsea players...I could not look at this and say with honesty that this is the team that fought so bravely and admirably in the first half, that never gave up in so many games over the past few seasons, that *gave a DAMN*.

I said last week that our players may be prone to brainlessness an awful not, but they can never be accused of spinelessness or limp surrender. That only holds true for the first half - that's how much I was shocked by the difference between the first and second half.
 
Great first half, momentary lapse of concentration lead to 1-1. Chelsea were really good for ten mins of the second half and capitalised. Apart from that, we were quite even in the second half. Even with wimmer at left back, and a defensive line constellation we haven't played before. Wimmer and dier both playing more or less out of their regular position in a game against the oh so fantastic lead leaders, who produced very little against us. We had more shots on target, more passes and completed passes and more possession.

Hate losing to Chelsea, but we still showed enough effort and will to get me a bit optimistic. We showed that we can still handle the high pressure strategy, and that it's a case of motivation to dig it out. Poch's responsibilty, you could say, but I guess reality is somewhat more complex. why do we look so dead in certain games? We were on from the moment the ref blew the whistle in this one. And you could almost have predicted it.

No time to bury our heads in the sand. Good display by our boys overall.
 
Who on Earth do we play instead of him? Mate, it makes no difference if we play Dier or Wimmer or CCV or Verts - without Toby, *nobody* functions with half a brain in that backline, save for perhaps Rose. Toby was what kept our defense together - not coaching, not defensive nous, not tactics, Toby. Every game he's absent for makes that more and more brutally clear.

It doesn't matter if we put Dier somewhere else - the man in his place will just lose his brain instead.
I believe Dier at DM was just as important as Toby in keeping the defense together last season. Get him back in *his* position and watch us look more composed with and without the ball.

fudge Chelsea and their disgusting club.
 
I am not so critical/disheartened after today's upgrade in performance.
We need to move on @DubaiSpur that was much improve, not perfect of cause because we lost but much improved.
If you can see the positives from this game everyone should. Both goals were avoidable and we didn't get smashed, which I thought we would. And look at the difference in the bench strength. They can bring on Willian, Oscar and Ivanovic for Ghod's sake.
 
I am not so critical/disheartened after today's upgrade in performance.
We need to move on @DubaiSpur that was much improve, not perfect of cause because we lost but much improved.

In the first half. In the first half, I agree. I cannot agree with the second half being described as an improvement in any way, shape or form. It undid all the good work of the first half, and I'm struggling to understand how Poch could let that happen.

I'm fine with moving on, but I hope people don't whitewash what happened here, and over the past week. Poch tried to be clever and rotate against Monaco. He failed there. He came to the Bridge having prioritised this game, and the players no doubt wanted to get revenge for last season. After a good first half, he failed again to stem the tide, and lost both the unbeaten run and any pretense of ending our run at the Bridge in a limp, spineless second half.

He *failed*. He will probably learn from this set of mistakes and self-delusions, but he failed here, and we shouldn't rush to forget it at the end of the season. It's fine to forget quickly and ascribe a lot of losses to extraneous reasons when the manager's working with a squad he doesn't want/like, or when he hasn't been backed. I don't think he has those excuses anymore.

And if people are uncomfortable with the level of scrutiny I'm advocating, why? It's what AVB and Harry were put under, and both those coaches had less backing than Poch has now received.
 
Who on Earth do we play instead of him? Mate, it makes no difference if we play Dier or Wimmer or CCV or Verts - without Toby, *nobody* functions with half a brain in that backline, save for perhaps Rose. Toby was what kept our defense together - not coaching, not defensive nous, not tactics, Toby. Every game he's absent for makes that more and more brutally clear.

It doesn't matter if we put Dier somewhere else - the man in his place will just lose his brain instead.
We could try Fazio. Seriously though, Dier has been pants back there. I've been watching him closely and his positioning is a shambles, and worst of all he's ball watching the whole time. You just cannot do that as a CB, of all positions.

You are right about Toby. He is the rock upon which everything else is built. We have no foundations at the moment.
 
I believe Dier at DM was just as important as Toby in keeping the defense together last season. Get him back in *his* position and watch us look more composed with and without the ball.

fudge Chelsea and their disgusting club.

Maybe, but it would be unfair on Wanyama - he hasn't done much wrong in there, even as his distribution isn't as good as Dier's.
 
Another game after resting players during midweek that could make you question whether it was worth it.

Looks like our whole season looks like another fight for the 4th place trophy. One we will probably miss out on narrowly. Though the position we achieved in the league last season was great, it's becoming more and more apparent that it was probably more down to so many of the other top teams having bad seasons than anything particularly brilliant in our own team. We finished on less points than under AVB only a few seasons before afterall.

I hope we ditch all this placing our eggs in one basket mentality now. Afterall Ferguson's first of many trophies was the FA Cup. We need to get a winning mentality.

After the high of last season and for so long thinking we were possibly becoming title contenders this is all feeling a bit flat, and oh so familiar to us fans.
 
One positive is we'll never have to see Wimmer play left back again.

In the first half we were winning the ball from pressing and he wasn't needed to be involved in our attacks. It was typically 5 of our players running at 5 of theirs.

But in the second half after they went ahead. They sat back a bit. When we attacked we had to break from down starting from passing it around at the back
When we went down the right Walker was heavily involved passing between Dier, Wanyama and Eriksen.
When we went down the left his teammates just passed it around him. We pretty much had 10 men when we had the ball and 11 when they had it.
 
Well, read it when you can, because it speaks to a lot of the points you made. Personally, Sissoko counts - Poch wanted him, there is no other explanation for it. And given that he was backed, I expect much more of him than I expect of a manager who doesn't get a net spend and thus can defensibly claim that he didn't get the players he wanted.

Poch rested players against Monaco, and we were sent home with nothing after a surrender from the first minute because of the way they toyed with Trippier on the right, the Dier-Wimmer combo in the middle and the team as a whole. He wanted to approach this game as the most important objective of this week.

Fine, I'll take him at his evident intentions - and we lost. So he failed his great objective, the one he sacrificed the CL for. Chelsea being a good team, blah blah blah...he knew all that, and still threw the CL because of it. That hardened my opinion - and he has little excuse, imo. More so because he didn't even look like he was trying to turn the game around after the inexplicable collapse in the first second of the second half.

This week has been one of his goddamn nadirs here, and there is no hiding it.

I'm as annoyed at you for our second half performance, because it was really limp, but I don't think we need to get sucked into thinking touchline antics mean as much as that. If Chelsea lose and Conte does that he looks like a clueless mad man.

Also, having calmed down since the final whistle, reflecting back, we have to take the positives of the first half with the negatives of the second. We were really good, and if we were really good because we made a tactical surprise count and Conte countered it, that's the risk with setting up to make a tactical surprise count...the benefit is high in terms of performance but if countered, we are set up a specific way and not to play against the new test. What I'm saying is, if it was an even first half, it would probably be an even second, because it would have been even for different reasons. We have Toby, Rose and Lamela out. At least two of them are vital to our system and the third is pretty darn important. I think we gave it a good go.

Although with all that said, I just wish the second half was a little better. I do wish we showed something. But I also don't blame Poch for resting players against Monaco. Just because he does that it doesn't mean we are definitely going to get something out of this game. He rolled the dice and lost, but he did what he thought would give us a chance. And he has earned our trust.
 
That second half was just putrid. Every header was won by a Chelsea player, every pressing move was executed by a Chelsea player, and every 50-50 fell to a Chelsea player. Our fight, our passion, our heart....everything was gone.

The defining picture of this defeat was the shot of Antonio Conte passionately shouting, cajoling, instructing, gesticulating wildly on the touchline with his team already in the ascendancy...while the man who speaks of nothing but 'passion' in 'futbol' stood there in the foreground, hands in his pockets, cheeks puffed out, silently watching his limp team lose more and more ground in a second half which was all Chelsea's.

And who has more to prove, more to do to build his reputation as a leader of men? Antonio Conte, who has won title after title with Juventus, trophy after trophy, a glittering career already behind him....or Mauricio Pochettino, a man who has won nothing whatsoever, not even a worthless Milk Cup, in his time as a manager? Who has the more cajoling and energizing to do, a man with a team filled with experienced, title-winning players? Or a man with a young team lost and defeated well before the final whistle, looking for some inspiration from anywhere? Who has the more tinkering to do, a man with his side in the lead at home or a man watching his team limply lose every tactical fight of note?

Who has more to do to drag his team to victory?

And yet, who did more?

People will say that there's no point to Conte's gesticulating, that Poch doing it would have been worthless. You couldn't be more wrong. When a team is like ours, spineless and limp, the most useless move of passion and energy assumes a symbolic significance out of all proportion with the mood. A wild tackle made by a slight player on a relative giant, knowing he wouldn't win the ball but desperate to try anyway. A burst down the middle, taking on one, two, three players, trying as hard as possible to fight against the inevitable. A thundering header out, followed by an exhortation to shape up - because it's not over yet.


A manager, shouting and raising hell on the touchline, trying anything to spark some life out of his dejected, surrendering players.

These things have meaning on days like today. Days when it is revealed just how limp our pretensions are. We thought we'd give them a fight, and we did - for one half. We thought we'd give them a game,and we did - for one half. We thought we had a reasonably strong side that could cope with injuries, and we did - for one half.

We thought our lads would show spine and heart, and they did - for one half.

Mauricio Pochettino thought he would be clever and rotate players in the CL, regardless of the limp defeat there, so that we could compete with Chelsea on the weekend, and it worked - for one half.

And then it all collapsed, and it is revealed how far we have to go and how many flaws riddle our squad and our coach.

The unbeaten run is gone - and let's be honest, it was coming, even as we won against Spam. We surrendered it as meekly as possible in that second half. So now we have little to delude ourselves with in terms of our level, and where we really are after seemingly deliberately crashing out of the CL with disgusting glee.

And again, Stamford Bridge remains our bane, a bane Poch has no hope of breaking for yet another season. And I hope that people now understand how monumental it was for Andre Villas-Boas to break our similar hoodoo at Old f*cking Trafford, against a legendary coach in Sir Alex Ferguson - it's a profoundly difficult feat to get mentally weak Tottenham Hotspur to ever break a hoodoo of any sort, and he did it. I hope people understand how magnificent it was when Harry did the same in the most dramatic of ways at the Emirates in 2010-2011 - to not only win, but to come from behind and do it, was breathtaking, a real watershed moment.

Those are the moments that define our evolution as a team - the crossing of those mental Rubicons which Spurs harbor more persistently than any other team. Mentally, we have always been weak - it is the coaches that help us transcend that weakness that are remembered. At Stamford Bridge, Poch has received a lesson in how difficult it remains to break those hurdles.

He'll come out in the post-match presser and talk about how we showed quality and had chances and could have drawn or won or whatever, but the truth is, we gave the second half to Chelsea, and we deserved nothing on the back of that fact. And that is scarier to me than a surrender from the start would have been, because I can't conceive how he could take a team which had fought so admirably for the first half and turn it into the spineless ghost which hovered on the field for the second. He had it half right, and he turned it wrong. And I won't take any excuses about fitness or energy, because he *deliberately* rested players against Monaco, and he *deliberately* left out a perfectly fit player in Sissoko for no f*cking reason.

Mauricio Pochettino failed today, as he failed in the cups against Monaco and against Liverpool. In terms of the league, this is his first failure of the season. And unlike in previous seasons, he cannot claim a lack of backing in the market this time around, so that makes it doubly damning.

Disappointing. Bitterly disappointing. And I expect much, much better from him than this. He has no excuses for it.
Would a hug make you feel any better?
 
Anyone here old enough or been supporting Spurs long enough to remember us last winning at the Bridge??? I started supporting Spurs properly as a kid in about 1991 so can't remember that victory!

Unbelievable, we've had quite a few bogey teams over the years but in recent seasons have achieved much better results such as at Old Trafford, Arsenal and Anfield. But we cannot beat Chelsea! Even Bradford managed it a couple of seasons ago!
 
Would a hug make you feel any better?

I'm off to drown myself in my cups, so don't worry - I'll drink away the pain.


I'm as annoyed at you for our second half performance, because it was really limp, but I don't think we need to get sucked into thinking touchline antics mean as much as that. If Chelsea lose and Conte does that he looks like a clueless mad man.

Also, having calmed down since the final whistle, reflecting back, we have to take the positives of the first half with the negatives of the second. We were really good, and if we were really good because we made a tactical surprise count and Conte countered it, that's the risk with setting up to make a tactical surprise count...the benefit is high in terms of performance but if countered, we are set up a specific way and not to play against the new test. What I'm saying is, if it was an even first half, it would probably be an even second, because it would have been even for different reasons. We have Toby, Rose and Lamela out. At least two of them are vital to our system and the third is pretty darn important. I think we gave it a good go.

Although with all that said, I just wish the second half was a little better. I do wish we showed something. But I also don't blame Poch for resting players against Monaco. Just because he does that it doesn't mean we are definitely going to get something out of this game. He rolled the dice and lost, but he did what he thought would give us a chance. And he has earned our trust.

It doesn't matter what Conte looks like when he loses and when he wins - he did the same against Arsenal when they got thumped 3-0, and he was laughed at then. But he's not getting laughed at now. It's the symbolism of the manager not giving up, which percolates to the players. In Chelsea's case, they have world-class players with title-winning experience, and they *still* get pumped up by it, even when winning. Our players are mostly trophy-less (or at least, haven't won a trophy in a long time), young, and mentally somewhat inconsistent and fragile. They are also thoroughly part of the whole Poch groupthink thing that he has going on. They would have appreciated it more than most, I'm sure of it. At least, they would have appreciated it more than watching Poch stood there, cheeks puffed out, thinking about how he can best claim in the post-match press conference that either 'this is futbol', or, alternately 'we were the better side', which is straining credulity. As he has predictably now done:

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/chelsea/news/pochettino-spurs-were-the-better-team_286148.html

F*ck's sake, Poch.

The first half was great, full of fight and energy. The second half was just.....spineless. 'Injuries' does not account for a lack of heart. And, ultimately, the rotation that Poch failed with at Monaco afforded him no results here, which is a *failure* by any measure when cup progress is on the line. Thankfully, he recognizes it too - in the post-match presser, he straight up said that he's ready to accept the criticism when gambles like that fail. And it did. Spectacularly. Today.
 
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