Next Spurs Manager v.2

[camspur]

Louis Van Gaal - The chosen one. The man has won a trophy EVERY season. Every one! In 3 different countries, with 4 different clubs. Sure, Ajax, Bayern and Barca were 3 of them. But there's a reason he got those jobs. There's a reason Carlo Ancelotti has managed Milan, Chelsea, PSG and Real Madrid. A reason Rafa Benitez has managed Valencia, Liverpool, Inter, Chelsea and Napoli. A reason Guardio managed Barca and Bayern. A reason Mourinho has manged Chelsea, Inter, Real and Chelsea again. These guys are the best in the world at what they do - and the biggest clubs fight tooth and nail for them. Van Gaal, if he wants it should the job. He should also get whatever else he wants. Look at his record. He's won 19 trophies as a manager. Tottenham Hotspur has won 29 trophies in its entire history. People that want to pass on him need to get some perspective.

Every season except 1991 through 1993 and 1997-1998 at Ajax, 2002 through to 2008 at Barcelona and AZ Alkmaar and the entire time as manage of Holland. But maybe I'm just being picky.

 

[spasm]

Every season except 1991 through 1993 and 1997-1998 at Ajax, 2002 through to 2008 at Barcelona and AZ Alkmaar and the entire time as manage of Holland. But maybe I'm just being picky.

**** knows if it's accurate..but on wikipedia it says..he won the UEFA Cup with Ajax in 1991-92, the KNVB Cup (which is the Dutch F.A Cup) in 1992-93, the La Liga with Barca in 1997/8 and to be fair he coached AZ from 2005-09 where he won the League in 2008/9 season. Given that AZ is not Ajax/PSV/Feyenoord and in their 46 year history had only won the Eredivisie once before in 1981 (and never since), getting them the title in the space of three years was a great achievement.

 

[scaramanga]

**** knows if it's accurate..but on wikipedia it says..he won the UEFA Cup with Ajax in 1991-92, the KNVB Cup (which is the Dutch F.A Cup) in 1992-93, the La Liga with Barca in 1997/8 and to be fair he coached AZ from 2005-09 where he won the League in 2008/9 season. Given that AZ is not Ajax/PSV/Feyenoord and in their 46 year history had only won the Eredivisie once before in 1981 (and never since), getting them the title in the space of three years was a great achievement.

 

[indianspur]

some interesting comments about LVG, Cruyff and Wenger from Bergkamps book................

 

[camspur]

"All players are equal to Van Gaal, big names do not exist to him, and everyone is subordinate to the team and system, his system."

Sounds like we'll be in for a bumpy ride. :lol:

As much as I'd like Van Gaal (or any top manager) to come to us we may not be in any position for someone like him to want to join us. If the doom merchants on here are to be believed we'll be finishing 8th at best and losing our best players, do we think LVG will want to come to us if we are in that position o is it only likely he'll come if we finish 5th and qualify for the Europa league? This isn't meant to be provocative but a serious question about how our final league position will affect the quality of manager we can attract.

 

[iggyfog]

I am really hoping that Man United win tonight and sort of get their **** together this season - so that we are the most attractive job in the premier league.

I really want LVG to come in - want a manager to come in and impose his style and authority on the club.

By the way - QPRs end of season collapse looks pretty familiar.....

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

I am really hoping that Man United win tonight and sort of get their **** together this season - so that we are the most attractive job in the premier league.

I really want LVG to come in - want a manager to come in and impose his style and authority on the club.

By the way - QPRs end of season collapse looks pretty familiar.....

I'm exactly the same; I want them to perform a miracle tonight, then go on and knock out Chavs and win the thing, with Arsenal coming 4th..keeping Moyes in the process.

 

[milo]

"All players are equal to Van Gaal, big names do not exist to him, and everyone is subordinate to the team and system, his system."

Sounds like we'll be in for a bumpy ride. :lol:

As much as I'd like Van Gaal (or any top manager) to come to us we may not be in any position for someone like him to want to join us. If the doom merchants on here are to be believed we'll be finishing 8th at best and losing our best players, do we think LVG will want to come to us if we are in that position o is it only likely he'll come if we finish 5th and qualify for the Europa league? This isn't meant to be provocative but a serious question about how our final league position will affect the quality of manager we can attract.

I would think that 5th or 6th is still most likely. We've got our tough games out of the way once this month is up and we will have more time off between games too. I'd expect us to start picking up results again and have a decent run in.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

I would think that 5th or 6th is still most likely. We've got our tough games out of the way once this month is up and we will have more time off between games too. I'd expect us to start picking up results again and have a decent run in.

Yes I agree with this comment. People ****ging off Sherwood, I always expected to lose to Arsenal and Chelsea and I think we will get beat Thursday as well. Maybe with a better manager we would have got some points from those games.

But as long as the heads have not dropped to much I still think we will pick up points towards the end of the season to make Europa league again. Would like a more experienced manager then Sherwood and LVG has the C.V. so I would back him, think Sherwood could make a good coach but he has to go and earn it.

 

[Lost Mango]

some interesting comments about LVG, Cruyff and Wenger from Bergkamps book................

So Bergkamp worships Cruyff as most dutch footballers do, thinks Wenger is great because they were successful together and presumably had a falling out with LVG at some stage so doesn't rate him? Anything actually objective or meaningful to go on beyond some ramblings of an ex-pro?

rSol doesn't like Deadwood at all - calling him manipulative and scheming - does that opinion hold equal validity?

 

[camspur]

I would think that 5th or 6th is still most likely. We've got our tough games out of the way once this month is up and we will have more time off between games too. I'd expect us to start picking up results again and have a decent run in.

I agree that 5th is still on my question was purely would LVG still want to come if we finished 8th and lost Vertonghen, Lloris etal.

 

[iggyfog]

I agree that 5th is still on my question was purely would LVG still want to come if we finished 8th and lost Vertonghen, Lloris etal.

if someone like LVG comes in then this could be the opportunity to convince lloris etc to stay?

i get the impression that LVG is desperate to manage in the prem - even if we finish 8th we still have the decent infrastructure/quality to push on.

 

[camspur]

if someone like LVG comes in then this could be the opportunity to convince lloris etc to stay?

i get the impression that LVG is desperate to manage in the prem - even if we finish 8th we still have the decent infrastructure/quality to push on.

We've been saying that for 4 seasons now, we're still not pushing on though. Surely LVG would look not only at this season but previous seasons and make his decision based on that.

 

[Baleforce]

is LVG really gonna come here, he might want a crack at the PL but surely he'd want to be at a contender not scrabbling around for a CL place?

 

[Cochise]

From reading that piece there from Bergkamp's book it seems that he doesn't like van Gaal's methods, but does admit that they amount to the same end product as Cruyff and Wenger. LVG doesn't want his players to think for themselves, but wants them to make runs and passes on instinct (by which I mean a coached instinct, doing something so many times you can do it without thinking) to a memorised pattern whilst Wenger and Cruyff have a system which is open to a clever/creative players interpretation.

I'm in two minds. On the one hand it would likely force players who think they are world beaters to pass it to better positioned players, however it could also stunt the indivual flair of others. Then again if we were to look at the Barcelona team of the last few years we could say that it is based on a very rigid system, with players like Messi and Iniesta using their own individual skills to create more goals than the system alone.

 

[Gutter Boy]

is LVG really gonna come here, he might want a crack at the PL but surely he'd want to be at a contender not scrabbling around for a CL place?

LVG will believe he can win the PL, and with pretty much our current squad. He has that much faith in his abilities.

Nothing will give greater pleasure than beating Mourinho with one hand tied behind his back (i.e. our resource limitations).

 

[Baleforce]

He's not stupid though, he'll know we don't spend enough to win the PL.

 

[Gutter Boy]

He's not stupid though, he'll know we don't spend enough to win the PL.

AZ didn't spend enough to win the Eredivisie. Ajax didn't spend enough money to win the CL. LVG just coached them to glory.

 

[iggyfog]

We've been saying that for 4 seasons now, we're still not pushing on though. Surely LVG would look not only at this season but previous seasons and make his decision based on that.

If LVG is able to run the club as he sees fit then maybe he can be a success. AZ for example weren't one of the biggest dutch teams when he took over.

Harry was effectively a stop gap that turned out pretty well, he was brought in to sort out Juande's mess but did all right out of it, but never really got the full backing of the chairman, always a bit of a dodgy geezer.

Not sure what happened with AVB, road the coat tails of Bale's success, but in the second season seemed to be hampered by the decisions of the transfer committee, or Levy didn't quite back him as he should have done due to his relative inexperience.

Now LVG would be a man who could come in and impose his will on the club, develop all aspects of the club, build a coaching style, his own director of football, a football philosophy that permeates all teams from under 11s to the first 11 - now that could be interesting and could be a very attractive challenge to man of his stature...

He knows full well that we aren't going to get champions league this season - he wouldn't only come to this job on the basis that would happen.

 

[Baleforce]

Not the premier league, there is an irrefutable correlation between spending and position.