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Next Spurs Manager v.2

Who do you want?

  • Louis Van Gaal

    Votes: 8 6.6%
  • Mauro Pochettino

    Votes: 9 7.4%
  • Frank de Boer

    Votes: 43 35.5%
  • Roberto Martinez

    Votes: 16 13.2%
  • Carlo Ancelotti

    Votes: 10 8.3%
  • Murat Yakin

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thomas Tuchel

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • Rafa Benitez

    Votes: 29 24.0%
  • Someone Else

    Votes: 4 3.3%

  • Total voters
    121
  • Poll closed .
Oh come the **** on. Red Bull gutted the club when they took over, got rid of everyone at the club and tried to erase its history.
Its an absolute disgrace. This isn't a local guy buying his local club, this is one of 5 Clubs (New York Red Bulls, RB Leipzig, Red Bull Brasil and Red Bull Ghana) with a Red Bull in their Name as Red Bull tries to use football to sell fizzy ****.

The only reason I used coca cola above was that they're another drinks manufacturer.

did they have any history to erase?
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ss-immediately-final-Premier-League-game.html

They aren't really saying anything new here other than how quickly we will be speaking to our interviewee's. Looking likely that Tim will be given the boot after the testimonial or maybe even before with the club looking to talk to Pochettino and likely others ASAP. The DM seem to be leading with the line that FDB has angered the board by speaking out in public (much like LVG) whilst being impressed by the way that Poch has kept his head down and said very little. Then again I don't think he has had twenty questions fired at him in every interview, something I'm a little suprised about given the nature of the British press.

All I can say is that this waiting has been doing my head in.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ss-immediately-final-Premier-League-game.html

They aren't really saying anything new here other than how quickly we will be speaking to our interviewee's. Looking likely that Tim will be given the boot after the testimonial or maybe even before with the club looking to talk to Pochettino and likely others ASAP. The DM seem to be leading with the line that FDB has angered the board by speaking out in public (much like LVG) whilst being impressed by the way that Poch has kept his head down and said very little. Then again I don't think he has had twenty questions fired at him in every interview, something I'm a little suprised about given the nature of the British press.

All I can say is that this waiting has been doing my head in.

Pochettino's tactic of speaking to the press via an interpreter is brilliant as the press give him a wide birth as his interviews are boring for them
 
freund was germany u20 coach and has coaching badges.
any reason why he isn't considered?

Steffen Freund – Assistant Head Coach


Former midfield dynamo and fan favourite Steffen Freund first joined the club in 1998, making 102 Premier League appearances. For anyone that doesn’t happen to remember the German’s first spell at Spurs; if you think Scott Parker currently polarises opinion, you haven’t seen anything of the sort.


Freund has clearly done enough in a short time to suggest that he has been earmarked for great success as a coach, his Tottenham appointment following spells with the Nigerian and German national teams.


First appointed as assistant head-coach to the German U-20’s, Freund was plucked away by Berti Vogts to join him as Nigeria’s assistant coach for the 2008 African Cup of Nations, reassuming his role with Germany following the close of the tournament.

It’s also worth bearing in mind that Freund had not fully completed his coaching badges by this point, a feat he achieved in 2009 when he was swiftly promoted to first manage the German U-16’s then a year later, the U-17’s.


Finishing third place in the 2011 U-17 World Cup and as runners up in the 2011 U-17 European Championships, Freund has shown great promise combining his aptitude for tactics and organisation with his visible passion and enthusiasm for the game and those playing beneath him.


But as we’re all well aware; Daniel Levy’s actions are seldom, if ever, without thorough prior thought. Given his time at Chelsea left a number of question marks over his personality, the initial appointment of Villas-Boas represented a gamble of sorts, albeit one that now appears to be paying off.

Were things ever to take an unfortunate turn for the worst, I wouldn’t be overly surprised if in Steffen, we were already looking at a readymade managerial replacement.
Stats as manager: 76,09 % Wins – 6,52 % Draw – 17,39 % Losses

http://spursstatman.com/2013/04/13/...-coaching-staff-who-are-they-what-do-they-do/
 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ss-immediately-final-Premier-League-game.html

They aren't really saying anything new here other than how quickly we will be speaking to our interviewee's. Looking likely that Tim will be given the boot after the testimonial or maybe even before with the club looking to talk to Pochettino and likely others ASAP. The DM seem to be leading with the line that FDB has angered the board by speaking out in public (much like LVG) whilst being impressed by the way that Poch has kept his head down and said very little. Then again I don't think he has had twenty questions fired at him in every interview, something I'm a little suprised about given the nature of the British press.

All I can say is that this waiting has been doing my head in.

Tbf, most of us could have written that article based on reading this thread alone....

...the idea that TS will be replaced immediately after the final game will be interesting to watch out for though...that could be a high-stake PR move..
 
We will either...
A) appoint Poch, which will be a mistake, or
B) we won't, and he will have a rough year at Saints, and nobody in here will claim they ever advocated him...
 
freund was germany u20 coach and has coaching badges.
any reason why he isn't considered?

Steffen Freund – Assistant Head Coach


Former midfield dynamo and fan favourite Steffen Freund first joined the club in 1998, making 102 Premier League appearances. For anyone that doesn’t happen to remember the German’s first spell at Spurs; if you think Scott Parker currently polarises opinion, you haven’t seen anything of the sort.


Freund has clearly done enough in a short time to suggest that he has been earmarked for great success as a coach, his Tottenham appointment following spells with the Nigerian and German national teams.


First appointed as assistant head-coach to the German U-20’s, Freund was plucked away by Berti Vogts to join him as Nigeria’s assistant coach for the 2008 African Cup of Nations, reassuming his role with Germany following the close of the tournament.

It’s also worth bearing in mind that Freund had not fully completed his coaching badges by this point, a feat he achieved in 2009 when he was swiftly promoted to first manage the German U-16’s then a year later, the U-17’s.


Finishing third place in the 2011 U-17 World Cup and as runners up in the 2011 U-17 European Championships, Freund has shown great promise combining his aptitude for tactics and organisation with his visible passion and enthusiasm for the game and those playing beneath him.


But as we’re all well aware; Daniel Levy’s actions are seldom, if ever, without thorough prior thought. Given his time at Chelsea left a number of question marks over his personality, the initial appointment of Villas-Boas represented a gamble of sorts, albeit one that now appears to be paying off.

Were things ever to take an unfortunate turn for the worst, I wouldn’t be overly surprised if in Steffen, we were already looking at a readymade managerial replacement.
Stats as manager: 76,09 % Wins – 6,52 % Draw – 17,39 % Losses

http://spursstatman.com/2013/04/13/...-coaching-staff-who-are-they-what-do-they-do/

I can only assume that the club feel he is not manager material. He is meant to be a joker on the training ground and quite close to the players, maybe they feel this would be a handicap (or he would be ill equipped) when having to deal with first team discipline. This is all guess work on my part though.

If Sherwood is leaving the club completely at the end of the season, I wonder if Freund would be interested in his old development role. There are few countries better at youth development than Germany and he has seen it from the inside.
 
We will either...
A) appoint Poch, which will be a mistake, or
B) we won't, and he will have a rough year at Saints, and nobody in here will claim they ever advocated him...

He is likely to have a rougher year at Southampton as they're likely to lose Shaw, Lallana and possibly Rodriguez as well. You can only work with what you have. Martinez took Wigan down the season he got his big move to Everton and they were consistently pony. But everyone rated the job he did as he kept them up a lot longer than they should have been.
Another top 10 finish for Saints would be wonderful for them
 
Imagine that. Wanting to win matches.

The question of Pulis isn't one of "winning ugly versus not winning as much but looking good". Pulis' brand of football is limited to getting a club like Stoke or Palace to mid table. He wouldn't do that much better with us because the style of football is so limited. Someone drew parallels with Harry and while Old Saggy Chops did far better than I thought he would, his style of football was always better than Pulis'.

On Pulis, he got Stoke to mid table. He got Palace mid table and did it with both clubs on scant resources. Great job in both cases. But when he got a shedload of money with Stoke, and he did, they barely progressed. The man is a good manager to a point. That point is a club with aspirations of stability in the Premiership not one with aspirations of Champions League football.
 
The question of Pulis isn't one of "winning ugly versus not winning as much but looking good". Pulis' brand of football is limited to getting a club like Stoke or Palace to mid table. He wouldn't do that much better with us because the style of football is so limited. Someone drew parallels with Harry and while Old Saggy Chops did far better than I thought he would, his style of football was always better than Pulis'.

On Pulis, he got Stoke to mid table. He got Palace mid table and did it with both clubs on scant resources. Great job in both cases. But when he got a shedload of money with Stoke, and he did, they barely progressed. The man is a good manager to a point. That point is a club with aspirations of stability in the Premiership not one with aspirations of Champions League football.

Spot on. He got a tonne of money at Stoke and bought in some good players, Pennant, Etherington, Palacios, Crouch etc. He didn't modify the style of play to take advantage of the increase in technical ability and infact, because they'd lost a bit of the work-rate and tigerish backs-to-the-wall mentality with the new players, they started to slide.
 
Anyone mentioning Pulis must surely be joking. I refuse to believe any genuine Spurs fan would seriously say such a thing.
 
Pochettino's tactic of speaking to the press via an interpreter is brilliant as the press give him a wide birth as his interviews are boring for them

I think Timmeh's best strategy would have been to use an interpreter. He might be still in a job if he had of.


freund was germany u20 coach and has coaching badges.
any reason why he isn't considered?

I think Freund should have been given the caretaker job - he's certainly more qualified than Timmeh. But perhaps the club wanted to keep him untainted, so he can continue to work with the next guy?
 
There's more than a few people that support the club that dont give a **** about this.
They want to win.
They don't care about style of football or where the money is coming from or how we cheat on the pitch.
That **** Mourinho would be their ideal manager.

Did you just compare pulis to mourinho?
 
Pulis uses his teams to their strength, he does not necessarily have the particular style of football he is accused of. Crystal palace played us off the park at home in the first half.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ss-immediately-final-Premier-League-game.html

They aren't really saying anything new here other than how quickly we will be speaking to our interviewee's. Looking likely that Tim will be given the boot after the testimonial or maybe even before with the club looking to talk to Pochettino and likely others ASAP. The DM seem to be leading with the line that FDB has angered the board by speaking out in public (much like LVG) whilst being impressed by the way that Poch has kept his head down and said very little. Then again I don't think he has had twenty questions fired at him in every interview, something I'm a little suprised about given the nature of the British press.

All I can say is that this waiting has been doing my head in.

Isn't this cutting your noise off to spite your face a bit? If FDB is the best man available for the job - who cares if he is mouthing off to the press? At least he wants the job.

Yes the waiting is doing my head in too...
 
I think Freund should have been given the caretaker job - he's certainly more qualified than Timmeh. But perhaps the club wanted to keep him untainted, so he can continue to work with the next guy?

Think this makes quite a bit of sense. He's obviously liked by the players, loves Spurs, and doesn't seem like the type to step on anyones toes.

Giving the job to Sherwood for a short period of time probably seemed like a win-win in Levy's eyes. If he did well, we'd hang on to him, if not, we'd be rid of one of the more vocal (not in a good way) coaches in our staff along with the likes of (i'm hoping) Ferdinand.
 
Isn't this cutting your noise off to spite your face a bit? If FDB is the best man available for the job - who cares if he is mouthing off to the press? At least he wants the job.

Yes the waiting is doing my head in too...

But he probably isn't the best man available for the job if he's already p****d off Levy.

Levy has had his hands burnt due to poor working relationships with the last few managers.

I don't think he really saw eye-to-eye with Redknapp, but Redknapp's a clever old boy and plays the game well so there wasn't a problem until he turned down a new contract, started flirting with the England job then demanded a big new contract when Hodgson got the gig.

The working relationship with Levy and the club is key here. The best manager for Spurs isn't necessarily the best manager on paper, or even the one that has the best powerpoint anymore.

We've also got to consider that the club have had a PR nightmare under AVB and Sherwood with AVB's public spats with the press and Sherwood's gobby self-serving pressers.

For De Boer to just blow up everything in Levy's face by releasing details of a confidential and sensitive discussions and then causing an embarrissing and public s***-storm with Sherwood where Levy has to sit there and grin & bear it while Sherwood gobs off about people telling porkies.......no wonder we've decided thanks, but no thanks.

De Boer has already shown a preference for gobbing off in the press at every opportunity and his brother likes to wade in with his 2 penny's worth every 2 seconds as well.

I don't have much time for John Cross but he's just tweeted - another come and get me plea from De Boer, this is getting embarrassing.

Well its Ajax he's doing it to now, but a couple of seasons in and he'll be shamelessly dragging our name through the press as he flirts with Barca and Real Madrid.

If Pochettino has had the same discussions with Levy & the club off the record and has kept an impressive straight bat, then I'm sure if there wasn't much to choose between them in Levy's eyes (and honestly for me, there really isn't a lot in it), then I'm pretty sure things have swung hugely in Pochettino's favour with the powers that be at THFC.

It's something I posted about earlier in the thread.

I really don't think De Boer has done himself any favours at all and I think i'd go so far as saying he's blown whatever opportunity he had to manage THFC.
 
Think this makes quite a bit of sense. He's obviously liked by the players, loves Spurs, and doesn't seem like the type to step on anyones toes.

Giving the job to Sherwood for a short period of time probably seemed like a win-win in Levy's eyes. If he did well, we'd hang on to him, if not, we'd be rid of one of the more vocal (not in a good way) coaches in our staff along with the likes of (i'm hoping) Ferdinand.

You see I've thought about this as well. Redknapp brought Sherwood in and he's done a very good job in building himself quite a powerbase at Spurs, but he clearly created quite a few issues with AVB, not that I don't think AVB was the ultimate one who shot himself in the foot at Spurs, but Sherwood's constant sniping probably wouldn't have helped. Its a similar thing to when Pleat undermined Hoddle when he was in charge. I don't think Hoddle wasn't majorly to blame for it not working out, but it certainly didn't help.

Levy appointing Sherwood as caretaker and then watching him hang himself with this gobby media love-in was too good an opportunity to turn down to get rid of this snake. It's kind of along the lines of "well you kept saying you could do so much better than AVB, so here's your chance...."
 
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