Next Spurs Manager v.2

[AdamB]

Me too.

Any of the 3 candidates would be very welcomed by me.

And yes - this really needs to all happen before the players leave to meet-up with their international teams. Treat it as a mid-season turnaround, none of this early July stuff like AVB was.

You dont think Poch is a risk? From what I understand, he didnt really do much at Espanyol in his 3/4 years there before he was sacked and now has only been in English football for just over a year. Granted Southampton play some decent football but so did Swansea under Laudrup. Would we consider Laudrup as our next manager as well?!? Poch might be a marginal upgrade on SHerwood given that both are inexperienced but at least Poch's football is good but I cant see that he's remotely proven enough

We either go for Benitez for experience (assuming he'd leave Napoli) or Allegri or FDB if you ask me. FDB is way ahead of Poch in that at least he's won trophies - ok its only been in the Dutch league but what has Pochetino done to deserve the Spurs job? Allegri is something of a hybrid between the Benitez/FDB options

 

[Ryan]

Why is everyone so quick to discredit FDB's achievements in winning the Dutch league?

Ajax hadn't won it for something like seven seasons before and he won it at the first time of trying. Also managing to maintain player motivation for four consecutive titles while consistently losing your most valuable players is a fantastic achievement.

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

I think Sigi and the bottler at CM on Saturday was the last straw for me, so I can't see what giving Tim another year would achieve, other than more pain.
There has to be a change imo.

 

[DTA]

Why is everyone so quick to discredit FDB's achievements in winning the Dutch league?

Ajax hadn't won it for something like seven seasons before and he won it at the first time of trying. Also managing to maintain player motivation for four consecutive titles while consistently losing your most valuable players is a fantastic achievement.

Didn't steve mc claran win the dutch league with fc twenty or something, is that not more impressive then winning it with Ajax?

 

[Ryan]

Didn't steve mc claran win the dutch league with fc twenty or something, is that not more impressive then winning it with Ajax?

Also a fantastic achievement, and probably more impressive than Ajax winning the title once.

Difference is that FDB not only got Ajax back to winning titles but also maintained their position there.

I think people are so quick to discredit managers achievements from other leagues simply because they are not perceived as competitive.

 

[kanoute16]

That vid just highlights how far we have gone backwards because Levy chose the wrong man to succeed HR
It's all about management from the top - if it goes wrong so does everything else

 

[DHSF]

Didn't steve mc claran win the dutch league with fc twenty or something, is that not more impressive then winning it with Ajax?

Mclaren aint a bad Manager though, I think he is given a rough ride by some because of the England fiasco.

 

[scaramanga]

I don't like Tim but in the absence of an obvious top manager candidate perhaps it might pay to be a little patient and see who's available in a years time.

Would they not be available in a year still if we upgrade on Timmeh this summer?

 

[ALtottenham_hotspur]

Also a fantastic achievement, and probably more impressive than Ajax winning the title once.

Difference is that FDB not only got Ajax back to winning titles but also maintained their position there.

I think people are so quick to discredit managers achievements from other leagues simply because they are not perceived as competitive.

Sir Alex said the hardest part of management was keeping players hungry for more success, I admit Holland isn't the toughest league in the world but FDB still managed to win 4 titles, with a very young side

 

[braineclipse]

You dont think Poch is a risk? From what I understand, he didnt really do much at Espanyol in his 3/4 years there before he was sacked and now has only been in English football for just over a year. Granted Southampton play some decent football but so did Swansea under Laudrup. Would we consider Laudrup as our next manager as well?!? Poch might be a marginal upgrade on SHerwood given that both are inexperienced but at least Poch's football is good but I cant see that he's remotely proven enough

We either go for Benitez for experience (assuming he'd leave Napoli) or Allegri or FDB if you ask me. FDB is way ahead of Poch in that at least he's won trophies - ok its only been in the Dutch league but what has Pochetino done to deserve the Spurs job? Allegri is something of a hybrid between the Benitez/FDB options

How much do you know about Poch's time at Espanyol? Other than him getting sacked? I've written some long-ish posts before with some copy-pasted information from what I think are reliable sources. Information that paints a very different picture to "a couple of years then he was sacked".

Also a fantastic achievement, and probably more impressive than Ajax winning the title once.

Difference is that FDB not only got Ajax back to winning titles but also maintained their position there.

I think people are so quick to discredit managers achievements from other leagues simply because they are not perceived as competitive.

Not as much discredit as still not being proven.

You mention FdB and Benitez as if comparable. Difference is that Benitez has proven himself in England, and in several leagues. Benitez has shown that he can get results with teams smaller than the biggest teams in those leagues. Benitez has some experience and obvious aptitude at managing top players and superstars. Benitez has a lot of experience in the transfer market at this point.

I don't think it is that people are discrediting the achievements from smaller leagues, just a realization that those achievements is a quite different thing from succeeding with us. I think most people are impressed by FdB so far.

 

[Ryan]

Would they not be available in a year still if we upgrade on Timmeh this summer?

Yep, but then that's another new manager, new training staff, new ideas, new tactics and more yet upheaval which is not going to help the squad.

I want us to replace Tim with a manager that is our first choice, our best option, with absolute confidence from the board, the team and the fans as opposed to a second choice that may just end up being another stop-gap.

It just depends on your view as to whether you prefer the devil you already know or gamble with someone that you don't really want

 

[Yiddo]

and beat Barcelona.

 

[braineclipse]

Would they not be available in a year still if we upgrade on Timmeh this summer?

They would, although I suppose the argument is that if someone like Poch does alright we won't wish to fire him to get that top target.

However I don't see it like that at all. I still see no reason to think that we'll have better targets available next summer than this summer. I just don't get the logic of almost writing off a year by accepting someone that isn't who we see as the best we can do right now for the possibility of maybe getting someone better next summer.

 

[Rossi22]

and beat Barcelona.

So did Neil Lennon.

 

[scaramanga]

Yep, but then that's another new manager, new training staff, new ideas, new tactics and more yet upheaval which is not going to help the squad.

I want us to replace Tim with a manager that is our first choice, our best option, with absolute confidence from the board, the team and the fans as opposed to a second choice that may just end up being another stop-gap.

It just depends on your view as to whether you prefer the devil you already know or gamble with someone that you don't really want

I want us to replace Timmeh with the best manager available. If the best in the world aren't available then I want the best of whoever we can get.

Unless we're incredibly unlucky this summer Timmeh won't be anywhwere near the best we can get.

As for upheaval, I'd rather have two lots of upheaval (and I'm sure the players would) than another season of "You're all sh1t", "We don't need any DMs", "Ade can do whatever the **** he likes" and "Shuffle across a bit".

 

[scaramanga]

They would, although I suppose the argument is that if someone like Poch does alright we won't wish to fire him to get that top target.

However I don't see it like that at all. I still see no reason to think that we'll have better targets available next summer than this summer. I just don't get the logic of almost writing off a year by accepting someone that isn't who we see as the best we can do right now for the possibility of maybe getting someone better next summer.

I think if we didn't have a DoF structure there could be some upheaval argument - there would certainly be a cost one.

Although we'd still be in a situation where we were holding on to a below par, caretaker manager in the hope that a professional became avilable without knowing when that might happen.

I agree that we simply need to upgrade to the best we can. If at some point in the future the option to upgrade to a significantly better manager occurs then we would need to decide then.

 

[AdamB]

How much do you know about Poch's time at Espanyol? Other than him getting sacked? I've written some long-ish posts before with some copy-pasted information from what I think are reliable sources. Information that paints a very different picture to "a couple of years then he was sacked".

Not much which is why I said 'From what I understand'

 

[Yiddo]

So did Neil Lennon.

And who's to say he would not be a good coach?

 

[SpurMeUp]

That vid just highlights how far we have gone backwards because Levy chose the wrong man to succeed HR
It's all about management from the top - if it goes wrong so does everything else

Exactly.

 

[braineclipse]

I think if we didn't have a DoF structure there could be some upheaval argument - there would certainly be a cost one.

Although we'd still be in a situation where we were holding on to a below par, caretaker manager in the hope that a professional became avilable without knowing when that might happen.

I agree that we simply need to upgrade to the best we can. If at some point in the future the option to upgrade to a significantly better manager occurs then we would need to decide then.

We're in perfect agreement.

Cannot see any reasonable argument supporting why we shouldn't go for the best available option at this time this summer.

Not much which is why I said 'From what I understand'

A link to my post: http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/showthread.php/5606-Next-Spurs-Manager-v-2?p=545299&viewfull=1#post545299

I don't want to be self-promoting here, I'm not claiming to be an authority on Pochettino. Just that I think there's a lot more about his time at Espanyol than "then he got sacked". Things definitely worth considering at least.

And who's to say he would not be a good coach?

That's not the question at hand. The question is: Who should be seen as our best available option? Arguments like "you can't prove that he's not good" makes no difference and is essentially an appeal to ignorance.