Next Manager?

[Finney Is Back]

Did you and your mates renew this week based on the Poch and/or Conte rumours?

Quite a few of our ST holders are relatively new (first ST when we went to Wembley and they were going well down the ‘waiting list’ to sell all the STs). Those ST holders haven’t put up with the thin times like many of the rest of us. It is quite possible, perhaps even probable, that the interest is waning for a portion of those. I do know (as I posted previously) that ST sales have been VERY slow this summer. I’d hope Levy wouldn’t stoop so low as Sugar’s old trick of (supposed) bids for big players in the week leading up to renewal deadline and personally I feel this is just an unhappy coincidence.

 

[fernadez]

More like Conte pulled out of talks rather than we did. Good on him as well. We're always banging on about being a big club, here's a man that said prove to me you are then and I'll join and look what has happened.

I'm not particularly pro or anti Levy but this is getting farcical now. If we did have someone lined up before Poch and Conte, how do we now go back to them and offer them the job?

Furthermore if they have any sense the first question they are asking is why Conte didn't take it. I really don't understand why some are happy this has potentially fallen through. What message is this sending to Kane etc?

 

[Gazza]

The fact that conte has a plan to win things and knows exactly what he needs and wants, Levy does not share that approach or vision is fair enough.

But honestly it can't be the case that they left contes wages and player demands at the last minute is somewhat confusing. Unless levy has done a levy and changed the goal posts at the last minute yet again expecting conte to suck it up and jump on board.

Conte is not as crazy as some want to believe. Levy at spurs is really turning me off supporting spurs these days.

1 cup in 20 years with lots of fluff from levy. Can't believe that he has enjoyed so much time at the club. Currently we have the equivalent of a educated shrewd version of Mike Ashley at the club.

Enough is enough, we are a circus.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

The fact that conte has a plan to win things and knows exactly what he needs and wants, Levy does not share that approach or vision is fair enough.

But honestly it can't be the case that they left contes wages and player demands at the last minute is somewhat confusing. Unless levy has done a levy and changed the goal posts at the last minute yet again expecting conte to suck it up and jump on board.

Conte is not as crazy as some want to believe. Levy at spurs is really turning me off supporting spurs these days.

1 cup in 20 years with lots of fluff from levy. Can't believe that he has enjoyed so much time at the club. Currently we have the equivalent of a educated shrewd version of Mike Ashley at the club.

Enough is enough, we are a circus.

It doesn’t make sense.

They will have known exactly who Conte was before picking up the phone to his agents. Either they were stupid, and thought they had a project to attract him, or they were cynical, and thought this would be a great PR move. Free press to associate the club with a high profile name in the game, and create the impression we want to compete.

As Steff noted, leaks don’t tend to come out of the club unless we want them to. This smacks of Moutinho, Aguero, Dybala.

I was so willing to go along with it. So willing to get aboard the ENIC train and accept my assumptions about their ability to compete were wrong, if they could bring back Poch or get Conte. It’s hard not to feel I reacted exactly as they hoped I would. It sounds conspiratorial but these patterns feel like a playbook we’ve seen a number of times through their tenure.

I want to put it down to bad luck too. But I keep going back to the fact that they should have just KNOWN what kind of manager Conte was. Conte and Levy never made sense even to the most average fair weather fan who doesn’t follow the politics of the sport. Something is up here,

 

[fernadez]

So now at the end of this we have a director of football who may or may not have ruined Juve and who's major talent appears to be signing players on free transfers and giving them high wages.

If Course is not the rebuild project manager that some claim he isn't how does the DOF appointment make any sense over Campos or Ragnick then? And why is it now Paratici's job to find a replacement manager. fudge have we been doing for the last two months?

Also looking at Conte's spending previously, he's not exactly Pep levels of wanting big players with high fees do what exactly was the problem.

 

[Finney Is Back]

ST holders were buying them because they thought we would be, GHod forbid...showing ambition. Hiring a manager who's won leagues in the recent past, demands the best wherever he goes, demands heavy spending.

Not a shock you'd overlook that though mate, or that the prospect of selling Kane and playing Troy Parrott up front so that short-armed, gutless c*nt can save a few quid wouldn't excite folks.

Again, the guy has previous for Derp Remember Giuseppe Rossi, Aguero and Llorente on the final day in 2011?

We've had a craven liar in charge for 20 years - along with his tax exile boss, utter deadweight Del Boy spivs. Not new, but always memorable just how low this c*nt can go.

I doubt we’ll play Troy Parrott mate.... I think we’ll get Southampton to cave in on deadline day and accept our improved bid of £25m for Danny Ings after we’ve encouraged the player to go on strike...

 

[harr1984]

If it is true that we are pulling out of talks with Conte due to incompatible requirements than I'm super confused. Why did we even try for him? What he wants and the way he works is well known.

Did Levy think that Come would be content to just work with young players and a sale to buy policy? He walked out on his Inter a side that he had just won a league title with for that exact reason!

I don't rate Levy but I don't believe he's actually stupid.

A rather weird approach. Conte doesn't suit the spending patterns of this club, not even the stated desire for a return to attacking progressive football.

Was Levy once again glamoured by the glittery "big name?"

Really think a big a deal is made out of this than it needs to be thanks to the media (fair enough it’s their job). All we know is that Levy has been talking to managers. The media picks up on Levy asking the question about Poch and the media dragged it out for days, hyping it up and then eventually realise it wasn’t going to happen. Levy would have known well before that it wasn’t going to. Same with Conte, Levy learns of his availability and has talks - the media catch wind and drag the story on for days and then catch wind its unlikely to happen. Again Levy would likely of known this well before, all he’s done is speak to the guy and see if Conte would be a decent fit - even if he’s likely to not be, where’s the harm in that? He’s a top coach and I’d be annoyed if he didn’t ask the question.
I get people want a coach in ASAP but I’m happy that Levy isn’t rushing as many have already said this appointment is a critical one and it’s also good he appears to be bringing in a DOF.

It seems people are criticising Levy’s process based on what is being reported in the media, when throughout this whole debacle it’s pretty obvious that none of them really have that much of a clue.....

 

[fernadez]

I don't see how that tracks when the same media outlets are running the Paratici stories and the timeline for both deals run alongside each other.

 

[relic58]

First of all, let's keep it civil please. These are weird times all round, and let's remember we all support the same club at the end of it.

My personal take on this is that someone has played the PR leak game spectacularly wrong. It could be Conte's side, it could be us. Poch popping up in the middle of it all was extremely confusing, and this subsequent exchange on the back pages is both messy and undignified. We are excellent at keeping things quiet if we want to, so this past week was someone's brainchild. I personally think it is disastrous. I cannot even begin to entertain the 'fact' that DL might not have done his due diligence on Conte and what he is about. In fact, let's just hope upon hope that is flim-flam.

I would not be unhappy to see Potter at this point. Poch? Come on. That's heart stuff, but did we ever really, really believe it?

Yes these are weird times, just to echo what Steff said. Please everyone don’t forget that GG are level headed, reasonably decent bunch of Spurs supporters who can laugh at themselves and not take things to seriously. Many of us had doubts about Conte, many of us think it’s to soon for Poch to come back. The reality is whatever talks were going on with Conte have ended, if his demands were too extreme then that can only be for the good of the club.

In times of uncertainty people become anxious about things and try to justify the situation, making up scenarios and worrying about them. Lets not dwell on it, just move on.

It was never going to be easy to find another manager, the effects of the pandemic are still influencing many decisions and there is a huge lack of funds for nearly every club in Europe. We all know in our hearts that there is no quick fix.

So who’s next on the list?

 

[Crab.C.Nesbitt]

Quite a few of our ST holders are relatively new (first ST when we went to Wembley and they were going well down the ‘waiting list’ to sell all the STs). Those ST holders haven’t put up with the thin times like many of the rest of us. It is quite possible, perhaps even probable, that the interest is waning for a portion of those. I do know (as I posted previously) that ST sales have been VERY slow this summer. I’d hope Levy wouldn’t stoop so low as Sugar’s old trick of (supposed) bids for big players in the week leading up to renewal deadline and personally I feel this is just an unhappy coincidence.

Im not sure that's quite right mate, although I may be misinterpreting you!

I'm one of these new season ticket holders who only got a chance to get a season ticket when we moved to Wembley. But I'd take offence at you saying I hadn't put up with the thin times, given I've been supporting spurs since I was 6 and am now verging on 43!

Plenty of thin times in that time frame! I think most of those who took the opportunity to get season tickets when we went to Wembley are genuine spurs fans who simply didn't have a chance of getting season tickets ST white Hart Lane what with the waiting list abs limited availability.

That doesn't mean the should be dismissed as Johnny come latelys!

 

[DaveT316]

Im not sure that's quite right mate, although I may be misinterpreting you!

I'm one of these new season ticket holders who only got a chance to get a season ticket when we moved to Wembley. But I'd take offence at you saying I hadn't put up with the thin times, given I've been supporting spurs since I was 6 and am now verging on 43!

Plenty of thin times in that time frame! I think most of those who took the opportunity to get season tickets when we went to Wembley are genuine spurs fans who simply didn't have a chance of getting season tickets ST white Hart Lane what with the waiting list abs limited availability.

That doesn't mean the should be dismissed as Johnny come latelys!

Amen to all of that!

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Im not sure that's quite right mate, although I may be misinterpreting you!

I'm one of these new season ticket holders who only got a chance to get a season ticket when we moved to Wembley. But I'd take offence at you saying I hadn't put up with the thin times, given I've been supporting spurs since I was 6 and am now verging on 43!

Plenty of thin times in that time frame! I think most of those who took the opportunity to get season tickets when we went to Wembley are genuine spurs fans who simply didn't have a chance of getting season tickets ST white Hart Lane what with the waiting list abs limited availability.

That doesn't mean the should be dismissed as Johnny come latelys!

I don’t believe he was inferring that
More that you didn’t have a season ticket when we were brick that’s all. I have plenty of mates who go the chance post Wembley and are now wavering as to whether to keep it for varying reasons (VAR is a big one)
Your a year younger than me so by default have seen the brick Spurs teams like I have
I got my season ticket in 2004. There wasn’t a queue and we could pick where we sat
Then we got half decent and it got harder and harder

 

[MKSpur]

I don’t like to read too much into media reports when it comes to questioning decision making but this process and the way it is playing out is making me feel like we could end up with a manager who is going to promise to spin gold from straw, with little experience at managing at the top end of the table so we will be a step up rather than somewhere there can diminish an established reputation and probably in a situation not requiring compensation.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I don’t like to read too much into media reports when it comes to questioning decision making but this process and the way it is playing out is making me feel like we could end up with a manager who is going to promise to spin gold from straw, with little experience at managing at the top end of the table so we will be a step up rather than somewhere there can diminish an established reputation and probably in a situation not requiring compensation.

Like we did with poch when we recruited him

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Quite a few of our ST holders are relatively new (first ST when we went to Wembley and they were going well down the ‘waiting list’ to sell all the STs). Those ST holders haven’t put up with the thin times like many of the rest of us. It is quite possible, perhaps even probable, that the interest is waning for a portion of those. I do know (as I posted previously) that ST sales have been VERY slow this summer. I’d hope Levy wouldn’t stoop so low as Sugar’s old trick of (supposed) bids for big players in the week leading up to renewal deadline and personally I feel this is just an unhappy coincidence.

So only long-standing ST holders have put up with the thin times? Sorry, that's rubbish. There are tens of thousands of fans who have put with up the thin times without having a ST. Wembley and the increased capacity of the new stadium gave many of us an opportunity we wouldn't otherwise have had for a long time. To say it's probable that they (we) would suddenly find their interest waning when things get a bit rocky is highly insulting.

 

[Daisuk]

The Tottenham circus keeps on rolling, my friends, and we'll be here for the ride, regardless of who comes in. This can't be good for trying to get Kane to stay, obviously, but it's looking more and more like we should just accept him leaving. Ok, that sucks, but we'll move on. It's a bit of perfection, this, and who knows who's played who. I reckon Conte wanted to play us to bait someone else in the first place, we got on the line with Poch, came crawling back to Conte - and Conte had to drop a brick on us. Now we're dropping a brick on Conte, and ourselves - but I reckon Conte would still like the job with his mate joining us. I still think there's a chance he's coming.

And if not, someone else. We'll survive. The managers that have turned out the best for us over the past 20 years or so have always been the ones we've had the least expectations of. So hopefully we can bring someone like Potter in now and everyone will be amazed after an initial disappointment.

 

[MKSpur]

Like we did with poch when we recruited him

Fair point.

I think he was identified early on though and I was hoping that having spent a season and a half playing at a neutral ground and several years of diverting out transfer budget into the new stadium we may have been able to operate in a different way.

I’m not against recruiting an up and coming coach as opposed to a big name manager but I’d prefer it if that was because we identified them as a good fit rather than they were the fifth or sixth choice after the other options felt our budget / approach didn’t match expectations.

 

[AdamB]

I’d prefer it if that was because we identified them as a good fit rather than they were the fifth or sixth choice after the other options felt our budget / approach didn’t match expectations.

This will be a challenge for whoever we move on to next. Its clear that they were behind Nagelsmann, probably Rodgers, Poch and Conte on our list....

Whichever club the manager comes from will also increasingly put up a fight to keep their man given that as we roll through June, it'll disrupt their plans if they then need to go and hire a new manager

 

[DeanoAustin]

The Tottenham circus keeps on rolling, my friends, and we'll be here for the ride, regardless of who comes in. This can't be good for trying to get Kane to stay, obviously, but it's looking more and more like we should just accept him leaving. Ok, that sucks, but we'll move on. It's a bit of my favourite buttplug, this, and who knows who's played who. I reckon Conte wanted to play us to bait someone else in the first place, we got on the line with Poch, came crawling back to Conte - and Conte had to drop a brick on us. Now we're dropping a brick on Conte, and ourselves - but I reckon Conte would still like the job with his mate joining us. I still think there's a chance he's coming.

And if not, someone else. We'll survive. The managers that have turned out the best for us over the past 20 years or so have always been the ones we've had the least expectations of. So hopefully we can bring someone like Potter in now and everyone will be amazed after an initial disappointment.

Not only would does this mean Kane will leave, it completely validates his reasons for leaving. The way this has played out, it looks like we didn't really have the conviction to get Poch and we didn't want to give Conte the tools to compete. Kane rightly wants to win trophies. He's absolutely right to want to go and if I'm Sonny and some of the other talented lads in the squad, I'd be having the same thoughts.

This damages Levy hugely unless he can pull a rabbit from the hat. When Jol was made manager, it was almost out of necessity (or Arnesens design) when Santini left us high and dry. Levy brought in a big name manager and and got fudged by him to an extent. Jol was the obvious choice and he worked out well in every respect (we improved, the football was good, he got us and we loved him for it).

Harry was an emergency measure that worked out very well. We'd have taken anyone decent at that stage given where Ramos had us. I didn't want Redknapp at all but was relieved that Saturday night when I saw him announced on Sky.

After AVB and Tactics Tim, I'd have taken anyone half decent. I wasn't really in favour of Poch but was willing to give him a go. We were only really linked with LvG who binned us off for Man U who, you have to admit, are a bigger club.

This is a bit different. Levys made some big statements, his reputation has taken a hit with the Jose appointment and ESL and now the whole recruitment process stinks of talking about big ideas and completely failing to back them up. All the things that Levys detractors have accused him of over the years - he cares far more about the financial statements than success.

I've defended Levy to the absolute last on here. Think what he's done has been brilliant for this club. If he lands a Graham Potter or Roberto Martinez now, it could turn toxic and, personally, my view on his ability to lead this football club would change.

 

[Kandi1977]

It is pretty obvious he asked for defenders and he got Rodon. I have seen quotes by the players and agents that we were after Stones and Rudgier. Mourinho and neither player are to my tastes but if you get a defensive coach on massive wages in that has won everything the is to win then you bring in top level defenders.

We did not back Mourinho.

We know fudge all about why the players you say Mourinho wanted, did not happen. What if player/club simply didn't want to?
Is that Levy's fault?

Backing a manager is not about giving him whateverthefudge he's pointing on.