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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked
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yeah a 'pressing game' in terms of what Southampton and Porto played isn't quite just trying to win the ball back, well not to my limited understanding is - it's an almost relentless drive to close down and harry your opponents high up the pitch - there's more to it im sure but it's much more than just challenging your opponents - perhaps someone more articulate on the subject could educate us a little... anyway on this particular facet of our play i think we've seen, as the 10 games have worn on the team play deeper and more prepared to soak up some pressure and even a bit of counter attacking play starting to creep in - no doubt buoyed by our effective play away to Arsenal. under AVB it was slower and more passing for passing sake and generally not knowing what to do with it - for me although we're still obviously we're nowhere near what he wants from us i at least see more drive to get forward and in to the opponents third, more chances being created and so forth. we still have a habit of going quiet for periods and what appears to be pointless passing - but id expect to see this lessen as everything settles.
milo
Jack L. Jones
My understanding of the pressing games is that one of the key principles of it is that a very high percentage of goalscoring opportunites are created by a turnover in possession high up the pitch. By pressing from the front you are trying to force your opponents into mistakes that will create goalscoring chances.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
For me the issue is players can underperform and still get in the team week after week regardless.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I agree with the second point in your post Billy. One of the key differences between AVB and Poch is what they want the team to do when they get the ball further back. AVB wanted us to hold possession and try and draw the opponent out to create gaps. The problem was that 90% of the visitors to the Lane were quite happy to sit back and watch us pass the ball around midfield. Poch is looking for us to move the ball forward from midfield quickly and with more purpose.
milo
Jack L. Jones
As someone said the other day when discussing Adebayor, maybe there is a limit to the number of changes he thinks that he can make at one time.
spurspinter1
Steve Carr
To be fair I think whatever Poch's going for is made difficult by basic mistakes with our front four players. I don't want it to seem like I'm sniping at the kid but stats a couple of games ago put Lamela as the most dispossessed player in the PL, after Saudi Sportswashing Machine he can't have really helped his cause, Eriksen's passing hasn't been up to scratch and he knows it and after that you've got Ade who's tackling himself these days.
When we're winning it's easy to the movement and interplay between the attacking four was flabbergasting for the defenders and too much for them to deal with but on the bad days it just seems like they're all lost to me...
Yermiyahu
Scott Parker
spurspinter1
Steve Carr
Was going to use insipid but I wanted to see what the prize was..
Bullet
Andy Thompson
Yes, when you win the ball you have 3 or 4 seconds to put together an incisive move, before the opposition recover and get set in defensive positions.
Where we go wrong is that 2 or 3 of our players take 2 seconds to control it, look left, look right, play a short pass that is not incisive. It is such a difference when a player already knows who is around him and knows what he plans to do and just does it first time, passing to a team mate who is already making the key run in on goal, ping ping ping goal.
milo
Jack L. Jones
How much of that do you think is down to the players getting used to each others moves off the ball? It seems to me that type of play that will improve when it becomes second nature.
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
It's the Barca defensive system.
The player nearest the man with the ball goes to that man and the next two nearest close the space.
If the ball isn't recovered in 20 seconds (that may be wrong) you retreat to create a defensive line
It's incredibly simple but physically demanding and it takes phenomenal discipline
I get my 5 as side team doing it every game and we smash teams that are better by physically turning over the ball in their half and having ****s from reasonable distance. However in 5 a side you can be exposed due to less numbers
Our biggest problem is too many touches b certain players when a quick ball would work. Lamella at one point in the second half took 13 touches to gain about 8 yards and they won the goal kick
I was taught to let the ball do the work which is why I'm a lard **** but can still play well enough as I can pass well... Our players currently other than Mason are passing really bad,y and just not quick enough
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indianspur
Guest
Wow, we have really regressed if that's what we have to look forward to. I think even this team from the recent past would give that one a good game
...................Friedel
Corluka..Dawson...King....BAE
Lennon Thudd Parker Kranjcar
....................VDV
..................Defoe
Yeah, no need for Bale or Modric either
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
whats wrong with the team posted? - lol at old man friedel, one knee king, as mobile as an oil tanker hudd, circle-doodle-do Parker and Lennon in the team you think'd do well. :lol:
Ginola99
Steven Caulker
I agree other than Soldado for Kane..
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
actually youre right. close though
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indianspur
Guest
I'm just saying that if the team you posted is our way forward then we have problems ahead. Nothing against you, just that I don't think that overall the players we have now are any better than who we had a few years ago. Its more an observation about our recruitment policy
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
It's the 5-second rule actually but otherwise you are on the money. That said I'm not too sure that we're employing Barca's pressing tactics at all, or at least we are not very good at it.
90291Spur
Paul Walsh
This is a classic!
David Hytner
Tuesday 28 October 2014 18.30 EDT
Mauricio Pochettino believes Tottenham Hotspur are being stifled by the tightness of the White Hart Lane pitch. The London club have struggled at home once again this season, particularly when visiting teams have sat deep to compress the space.
Tottenham have the joint-shortest pitch in the Premier League, according to the official statistics, alongside Stoke City and Queens Park Rangers, and only those two clubs have narrower playing surfaces. Tottenham’s pitch, which measures 100 metres by 67 metres, is 6% smaller than half of the others in the division.
Pochettino has seen his team lose three out of five home league fixtures – against Liverpool, West Bromwich Albion and Saudi Sportswashing Machine – and he has come to feel hemmed in, when the onus has been on Tottenham to prise apart visiting teams.
“Our style means we need a bigger space to play because we play a positional game,” Pochettino said. “It’s true that White Hart Lane is a little bit tight and it’s better for the opponent when they play deep. On Sunday there were two shots from Saudi Sportswashing Machine – it was unlucky for us. And they play deep. West Bromwich play deep, Liverpool the same, they play very deep and it was difficult for us. We need time to adapt to our new set-up and to understand better our position on the pitch.”
Tottenham have looked more polished away from home in recent seasons – they certainly did under one of Pochettino’s predecessors, André Villas-Boas – and it has been easy to see them as being more at ease on the counterattack. At White Hart Lane, where they face Brighton & Hove Albion in the Capital One Cup on Wednesday night, they have sometimes frustrated the home crowd, who have made their displeasure known.
Villas-Boas reacted to the perceived negativity towards the end of his tenure, when he said that “it is like it drags the ball into our goal instead of the opponents’ goal” but Pochettino has no problems with the expectation levels of the home support. “In football there is always big expectation,” he said. “In Tottenham, in Espanyol, in Southampton, in Real Madrid and Barcelona, it’s how you manage the pressure in your situation.”
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Tottenham are not managing it well at present and, although it is very early days, Pochettino’s tenure has been bogged down by some of the problems that Villas-Boas faced and could not solve. There have been the travails at home, possession without incision, individual errors and questions, which Pochettino has not been to slow to raise, about the squad’s mentality.
“We did a lot of work [on the psychological side] in groups and as individuals on the training ground, in meeting rooms and in my personal office,” Pochettino said. “But always you need more time to change the habits. We talk about mentalities and changing habits. It is harder to work on. The mental process is always more slow than the physical or tactical. We know that our challenge is to change this mentality.”
Pochettino was asked whether he had used a sports scientist to bolster his players. “I think we are the psychologists,” he replied, with a nod towards himself and his coaching staff, which features the assistant, Jesus Perez, who has a background in sports science. “The players want to hear the manager and the staff. We can help them.”
Pochettino also said that he wanted his players to take the initiative and hold their own meetings in order to grow as a unit. “We’ve tried to push this because it’s important sometimes that players have different meetings with the captain to realise some different situations,” Pochettino said.
“But this isn’t because we can’t hear something from them because we are always open to hear everything. We are a family and you always need your teammates. Our challenge is to create something special between 25 players so that they can know each other and improve the togetherness and show it on the pitch.”
David Hytner
Tuesday 28 October 2014 18.30 EDT
Mauricio Pochettino believes Tottenham Hotspur are being stifled by the tightness of the White Hart Lane pitch. The London club have struggled at home once again this season, particularly when visiting teams have sat deep to compress the space.
Tottenham have the joint-shortest pitch in the Premier League, according to the official statistics, alongside Stoke City and Queens Park Rangers, and only those two clubs have narrower playing surfaces. Tottenham’s pitch, which measures 100 metres by 67 metres, is 6% smaller than half of the others in the division.
Pochettino has seen his team lose three out of five home league fixtures – against Liverpool, West Bromwich Albion and Saudi Sportswashing Machine – and he has come to feel hemmed in, when the onus has been on Tottenham to prise apart visiting teams.
“Our style means we need a bigger space to play because we play a positional game,” Pochettino said. “It’s true that White Hart Lane is a little bit tight and it’s better for the opponent when they play deep. On Sunday there were two shots from Saudi Sportswashing Machine – it was unlucky for us. And they play deep. West Bromwich play deep, Liverpool the same, they play very deep and it was difficult for us. We need time to adapt to our new set-up and to understand better our position on the pitch.”
Tottenham have looked more polished away from home in recent seasons – they certainly did under one of Pochettino’s predecessors, André Villas-Boas – and it has been easy to see them as being more at ease on the counterattack. At White Hart Lane, where they face Brighton & Hove Albion in the Capital One Cup on Wednesday night, they have sometimes frustrated the home crowd, who have made their displeasure known.
Villas-Boas reacted to the perceived negativity towards the end of his tenure, when he said that “it is like it drags the ball into our goal instead of the opponents’ goal” but Pochettino has no problems with the expectation levels of the home support. “In football there is always big expectation,” he said. “In Tottenham, in Espanyol, in Southampton, in Real Madrid and Barcelona, it’s how you manage the pressure in your situation.”
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Tottenham are not managing it well at present and, although it is very early days, Pochettino’s tenure has been bogged down by some of the problems that Villas-Boas faced and could not solve. There have been the travails at home, possession without incision, individual errors and questions, which Pochettino has not been to slow to raise, about the squad’s mentality.
“We did a lot of work [on the psychological side] in groups and as individuals on the training ground, in meeting rooms and in my personal office,” Pochettino said. “But always you need more time to change the habits. We talk about mentalities and changing habits. It is harder to work on. The mental process is always more slow than the physical or tactical. We know that our challenge is to change this mentality.”
Pochettino was asked whether he had used a sports scientist to bolster his players. “I think we are the psychologists,” he replied, with a nod towards himself and his coaching staff, which features the assistant, Jesus Perez, who has a background in sports science. “The players want to hear the manager and the staff. We can help them.”
Pochettino also said that he wanted his players to take the initiative and hold their own meetings in order to grow as a unit. “We’ve tried to push this because it’s important sometimes that players have different meetings with the captain to realise some different situations,” Pochettino said.
“But this isn’t because we can’t hear something from them because we are always open to hear everything. We are a family and you always need your teammates. Our challenge is to create something special between 25 players so that they can know each other and improve the togetherness and show it on the pitch.”
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
what do you feel is specifically weak?