Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

[Legohamster]

"“The performance wasn’t great, but when you concede an early goal it is always tough, it is a difficult situation. The atmosphere wasn’t in the way you love to play, it wasn’t the best. It is not easy, when I was a professional footballer in this type of situation it was always difficult.”


Ouch, his transformation into AVB is underway.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

"“The performance wasn’t great, but when you concede an early goal it is always tough, it is a difficult situation. The atmosphere wasn’t in the way you love to play, it wasn’t the best. It is not easy, when I was a professional footballer in this type of situation it was always difficult.”


Ouch, his transformation into AVB is underway.

worryingly similar quotes

 

[Mikey10]

worryingly similar quotes

He knows exactly what he’s doing. He wants to be sacked.

 

[Mosquito_Coasting]

Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards, I think this season may be a write off now. If Levy sacked him now (I think this will drag on for another month), it might be salvageable but one season out of the CL is not the end of the world. I don't see Poch here at the end of the season in any reality really. It's sad, he's a top manager and bloke but the club goes on.

 

[monkeybarry]

The Spurs Show guys are always a week behind glory-glory. They know nothing.

Serious Burkinshaw sack fears

 

[DubaiSpur]

What I don't get is why we don't just play natural wingers for once - keep it simple, just have Son and Lucas stay wide and allow the full-backs to stay back. Classic 4-4-2/4-4-1-1, with Son and Lucas on each flank, Kane up top, Dele in behind, Ndombele and Sissoko in midfield.

IF we played that way, we could accomplish three things at once -

1) Get Foyth and Davies into the team as full-backs - as classic full-backs, a la Corluka and BAE from the Redknapp days. This would allow us a more solid back line, as the players wouldn't venture up too far - they have wingers for that, and the flank would be secure.

2) Get most of the troublemakers out of the team - if we have a team with Gazza (GK), Foyth (RB), Sanchez (CB), Verts (CB), Davies (LB), Lucas (RM), Sissoko (CM), Ndombele (CM), Dele (AM) and Kane (CF), we will have dropped Rose, Toby, Aurier and Eriksen - by all accounts, the four players that want to leave. And I doubt we'll be any worse for the change.

3) Would allow us to sit deep and counter at speed - which would lessen the amount of gaps we leave in behind.

I wonder why we don't at least *try* it - but then, I've wondered about a lot of the utterly bizarre tactics and lineups Poch has gone with recently.

 

[Modric THFC]

There was a Spurs Show podcast link posted by @Mikey10 a week or so ago, seemingly - i haven't listened myself yet -saying many of the senior the players, including Kane, had had enough of Poch and his methods, with pre-CL final comments being the last straw.

What are people's view on the Podcast now we're back from the international break and after the game today?

It's not something I usually listen to but that time the guests were all people from within the football industry. The separate versions they all of what was happening at Spurs seemed to add up reliably.j

 

[Bedfordspurs]

What I don't get is why we don't just play natural wingers for once - keep it simple, just have Son and Lucas stay wide and allow the full-backs to stay back. Classic 4-4-2/4-4-1-1, with Son and Lucas on each flank, Kane up top, Dele in behind, Ndombele and Sissoko in midfield.

IF we played that way, we could accomplish three things at once -

1) Get Foyth and Davies into the team as full-backs - as classic full-backs, a la Corluka and BAE from the Redknapp days. This would allow us a more solid back line, as the players wouldn't venture up too far - they have wingers for that, and the flank would be secure.

2) Get most of the troublemakers out of the team - if we have a team with Gazza (GK), Foyth (RB), Sanchez (CB), Verts (CB), Davies (LB), Lucas (RM), Sissoko (CM), Ndombele (CM), Dele (AM) and Kane (CF), we will have dropped Rose, Toby, Aurier and Eriksen - by all accounts, the four players that want to leave. And I doubt we'll be any worse for the change.

3) Would allow us to sit deep and counter at speed - which would lessen the amount of gaps we leave in behind.

I wonder why we don't at least *try* it - but then, I've wondered about a lot of the utterly bizarre tactics and lineups Poch has gone with recently.

I agree with your sentiment but that doesn’t account for Poch stubbornness

also that system would have to have winks over sissoko in it to keep the ball

 

[billyiddo]

So anyone still think Poch can turn things around?
Paging @thfcsteff , @BrainOfLevy , @billyiddo to kick off the case for Poch's defence...we were playing fukking WATFORD today!!

As i see it, he is showing all the telltale signs of a manager that WANTS to get sacked:

- constantly choosing odd tactics
- stubbornly NOT playing players who are near fitness and who likely could inject new impetus
- putting blame towards the ground's atmosphere/the fans


I think he has slowly been going mad over 5 key stages:

Stage 1: the "me or another" reaction to the limp FA Cup semi-final loss vs Man utd
Stage 2: stubborn reaction to club not able to get his required signings in summer 2018 after his "be brave" request - if you can't get my players then no-one
Stage 3: THAT incident with Mike Dean at Burnley - which we still don't really know what hapenned
Stage 4: Publicly saying that he might actually leave if we win the CL final
Stage 5: Having that outburst during the summer press conference when he said clib should change his job title

The guy is NOT the same "let's reach for the stars" kind of up-and-at-them manager he was just two years ago. I tink the way this club operates whereby we seem to not actually want to REALLY act like a big club has slowly got to him in the end.
He himself hasn't helped with his book and inconsistent public outbursts - "we will try and fix things in January" vs "we don't need to fix things in January" - but ultimately the club's antics of not seemingly wanting to step up and take advantage of rival team's problems has made Poch lose his mind.

It seems he wants to go; it seems the players want him to go.

Sad. Very sad. But ultimately, i suspect the club's board and their ways have led to this. Poch has been the best manager we've had in the PL {and in my lifetime of supporting the club, save for the lack of a trophy} and yet we still manage to 'Spurz' things up even with him....

My position remains the same - i back him until a time there's all out mutiny or relegation becomes a realistic outcome. You can refer back to this post after every game to save yourself the bother of asking me each time

What i will say is between the Watford and Brighton games there doesn't seem to be many players playing for the team/manager/eachother - which renders all tactical discussions irrelevant imo. something has to give one way or the other

 

[markysimmo]

As mentioned before playing pretty much 8 defensive players at home is pathetic

City would have played 6 attackers, Poch has never done this even at home against so called lower opposition

 

[billyiddo]

Blame is the same as excuse .. reality is responsibility lies with the manager .. something you simply have not been able to grasp.

What score does it need to be today for you to think different?

I don't really understand what you're getting at with this logic tbqh just seems you're trying to avoid any contextualizing (even a word ?) of our situation. Everyone has a responsibility to do their bit to get us out of it and the manager is the one with more scope to cause change on the pitch than any other individual at the club - there has been absolutely nothing in my posts to suggest i think otherwise so please don't tell me what i am or are unable to grasp.

 

[Raziel]

The midweek training photo's reeked of propoganda, as if to say "look we are all together in this", but this performance has blown that idea to brick.

Right now, I genuinely feel like the guy is trying to engineer his way out of the job. Picking a 352 against the worst team in the league at home is bizarre but not unusual for Poch as he's done it before in previous seasons. Having a pop at the fans though, that's usually one of the signs of a manager who doesn't give a brick anymore. Yes, fans can be fickle and will be up and down, but so long as a manager keeps on the right side of them they (the fans) will come back around. If that manager speaks out against the fans, they rarely warm back up to the manager.

As for the game though; I turned up today and saw the lineup and told my mate "if we concede first this place is gonna go to brick real fast" and it did just that. We just do not look organised out there irrespective of who we have on the field nor what formation we are playing, half the players don't seem to know who they are responsible for when pressing nor when marking.

On the attacking side, it's almost as if it's completely improvised, like there is no pattern of play. I was sitting in the south stand watching the players warm up playing some sort of 7v3 game (3 CBs against the 2 FBs, Sissoko, Kane, Dele and Lucas) and the lads couldn't muster one good opportunity at half pace. They were trying to beat 3 defenders with a cross and after 6-7 attempts hadn't worked the keeper once. That's either brick because the player's can't manage it at half pace or brick because they can't be bothered to warm up like they mean it.

All in all, I don't think the players are up for it anymore and Poch will not change that. What's more, I don't think Poch is particularly bothered either.

If anyone doesn't understand what is going on here, they need to watch our game and the Everton game back to back.

- Both in same situation, underperforming clubs, manager under pressure, home game.

In one game (not ours) the team turns out and from the beginning to the end goes at it, they are playing for their manager's job. In the other, fall behind and take about 80 mins to wake up.

 

[lurker of old]

All I can assume is that Levy wants Poch here for the long term and is willing to fall into the bottom half this season. It's a dangerous game that, because losing is a habit which is hard to break.

 

[Nigeyman]

If anyone doesn't understand what is going on here, they need to watch our game and the Everton game back to back.

- Both in same situation, underperforming clubs, manager under pressure, home game.

In one game (not ours) the team turns out and from the beginning to the end goes at it, they are playing for their manager's job. In the other, fall behind and take about 80 mins to wake up.

Standards have dropped right across the board, and the club I love is now on a downwards trajectory.

like others have pointed out I’m genuinely fearful at how deeply Liverpool will hurt us next week.

our season can still be saved in Levy’s eyes as to the all important top 4 prize, yet on current form we will be closer to the championship than the champions league.

The players need a new voice in their ears, though many of them don’t seem to register any honour in playing for our club.

it’s a sad state of affairs and very frustrating at the moment.

 

[Nigeyman]

All I can assume is that Levy wants Poch here for the long term and is willing to fall into the bottom half this season. It's a dangerous game that, because losing is a habit which is hard to break.

Levy doesn’t fancy the compo payout and who can blame him, he probably didn’t factor it in at all, when planning this season’s finances.

in fairness he, Poch, our players have all dropped the ball. We are collectively failing atm.

 

[Raziel]

Levy doesn’t fancy the compo payout and who can blame him, he probably didn’t factor it in at all, when planning this season’s finances.

in fairness he, Poch, our players have all dropped the ball. We are collectively failing atm.

I think Levy is giving Poch as much of a chance as he can.

People mix up Levy's managing of players costs with the rest of club. Spurs has always paid manager well, and always been willing to fire managers (including payoff). I'm also quite sure Poch's contract will have a failing to perform clause.

 

[Mikey10]

The Spurs Show guys are always a week behind glory-glory. They know nothing.

They have three different guests every week, so that’s a lot of people’s knowledge to write off!

On the show in question the guests were all people/journalists in and around the club - and they had all heard exactly the same things.

 

[metalgear]

Your loyalty is admirable but don't let that be your weakness.

There's a discussion about a young football coach who is suffering the same around here ....

My position remains the same - i back him until a time there's all out mutiny or relegation becomes a realistic outcome. You can refer back to this post after every game to save yourself the bother of asking me each time

What i will say is between the Watford and Brighton games there doesn't seem to be many players playing for the team/manager/eachother - which renders all tactical discussions irrelevant imo. something has to give one way or the other

Sent from my SM-G975F using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app

 

[BrainOfLevy]

How is playing the same players who he said "had different agendas" and initially "would have to be sorted in January" for the long-term good?

Just think of it this way: do you think Poch’s personal preference would be to drop players he’s been keen to move out of the club for 2 years now? Players that clearly aren’t performing? I think someone who we know Poch to be would want them out of the team as quickly as possible.

But, he is also a leader. He is pragmatic, and he isn’t going to be a Sherwood that slags the players off in the post game and he is going to look out for the players overall. I repeat the Eriksen example: he stays at Spurs, and the benefit should be that we have a good player in our squad, more depth. Or we bomb him out. Meaning we don’t get any money for him, or the benefit of having him around for depth. Is he being that disruptive that bombing him out is guaranteed to be better for us than having him around? The answer to that question is not a simple one.

Similarly, with Toby, with Rose. These players form the core of the leadership in the squad and have done for a few years now. Bombing them out too soon when these players don’t have a route out the club just may accelerate the bad feeling, and we need the players. They are part of the squad. Playing them allows us to protect the condition of other players. Davies has been returning from injury so we have needed Rose. What if there were injuries to others? Do we just over promote youth when we have experienced players in the squad? If you bomb them too soon, you can’t bring them back when you may end up needing them. And you can’t just make all of them back ups when they are the leaders of this group, so they need to be involved.

This will not be Poch’s ideal world. I expect he will bomb them the first chance he gets. I expect he will try to make January moves out as easy as possible. He waited until around November to do the same in his first season. But until then, he’s going to be pragmatic, and he’s going to use them, and it’s going to be about protecting the condition of the players that he does want to be here long term as much as anything, and not overusing youth players too soon.

Either way, this season may be tough. I expect it to get better as we phase the new players in. But overall this is the difficulty of making no moves in or out over so many windows and storing these problems up. We will ultimately be fine, but I wish our fan base would appreciate the complex nuances of managing a squad. What seems obvious isn’t actually obvious. Of course he wants to bomb certain players out. He’s wanted to do it for years. This is not news for him.

(Also, note - fans are insinuating he’s using AVB style language against them, which if you read his full quotes he isn’t actually doing at all.)

 

[BrainOfLevy]

I think Levy is giving Poch as much of a chance as he can.

People mix up Levy's managing of players costs with the rest of club. Spurs has always paid manager well, and always been willing to fire managers (including payoff). I'm also quite sure Poch's contract will have a failing to perform clause.

I also think a lot of people are saying ‘Levy knows the cost of missing out on the CL’ but I would venture that he hasn’t built our club in any sort of footing that means we need CL football. He prefers a sensible footing that allows him to be in charge of a strategy that isn’t predicated on results than can swing.

I think this may be a tough season, certainly we will have had a tough couple of months at least. Does it mean the axe is going to fall - I’m not sure it does, not when the Manager has been the one predicting these problems for a while. Long term, Poch or another is going to have to conduct the surgery that this squad needs having gone so many windows without it. What guarantees that Allegri or Mourinho or Eddie Howe does any better with it?