Jose Mourinho - SACKED

[Bedfordspurs]

Might point was that the majority of the team can quite easily be picked from players that do not carry over some 'mentally weak' legacy from the previous regime. I could add Bale, Vini, Sess to that list.

And even some that might, Toby? (First thing Jose does is get him to sign a new contract Dier? (Jose's favourite lieutenant) Sissoko (not mentally weak just limited as a player). Lamela? (hardly fit but mentally weak..nah) And as I mentioned if you are going to question Kane Son Lloris meteorology we might as well call it a day.

Of course there are players that should move on, but there is easily a large enough group to debunk the nonsense that there is still a hangover from the Poch era.

Unless we move onto there is some 'meteorology hoodoo' the consumes any player as soon as he joins/plays for Tottenham Hotspur, and if that is a conversation, sorry I don't do woo.

I think the contract piece is a red herring as it just kept their values up in the event of their playing or selling. Don’t forget their contracts were finishing rapidly
We will do the same with Hugo too but I wouldn’t be shocked if he was sold. I do question his mentality by the way. His big game errors issue kinda shows a panic in his play.

maybe have a listen to this weeks extra inch podcast as their a lot on there you will embrace around the team but they also focus on the mentality, the lack of hunger that seems to happen when players are here. I mean Bale is the epitome of that.

 

[afsoc4life]

I dont buy that. Look at kane, Son, Bale, Dele, GLC, Ndombele, Hojbjerg, Bergwign - there's 8 players who you can combine in various ways to play great football and attack teams if the set-up is right and tactics are right. We have a decent young LB and competent RBs, plus a keeper who, whilst has wobbly games, is generally solid. CBs do need upgrading I agree.

The point is that Jose's tactics, as well as being painful to watch, are not getting the best out of the squad.

You listed Bale, Dele lol. I am going to go sit down somewhere and laugh. The current Bale is not even up to 10per cent of the player that left Spurs. In fact I prefer the 17 year old that made his debut to the current Bale. At least that one could take and score a free kick.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

I think the contract piece is a red herring as it just kept their values up in the event of their playing or selling. Don’t forget their contracts were finishing rapidly

Toby was quite clearly not signing a contract until Jose arrived. Jose clearly likes him, wanted him when at United and likely thought he's experienced, good reader of the game, and has the highest chance of becoming one half of a partnership. Toby would have just done a Jan otherwise.

We will do the same with Hugo too but I wouldn’t be shocked if he was sold. I do question his meteorology by the way. His big game errors issue kinda shows a panic in his play.

I don't disagree. I always got the felling Lloris might have a few demons. But he is a world cup winning Captain (although I think he fudged up in that final iirc?)

maybe have a listen to this weeks extra inch podcast as their a lot on there you will embrace around the team but they also focus on the meteorology, the lack of hunger that seems to happen when players are here. I mean Bale is the epitome of that.

I'm just countering the 'mentality' point this afternoon.
I have plenty of thoughts/views on the other stuff (style of play, Jose's mentality, culture, patterns of play, tactics, use of resources etc etc)

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Toby was quite clearly not signing a contract until Jose arrived. Jose clearly likes him, wanted him when at United and likely thought he's experienced, good reader of the game, and has the highest chance of becoming one half of a partnership. Toby would have just done a Jan otherwise.


I don't disagree. I always got the felling Lloris might have a few demons. But he is a world cup winning Captain (although I think he fudged up in that final iirc?)


I'm just countering the 'meteorology' point this afternoon.
I have plenty of thoughts/views on the other stuff (style of play, Jose's meteorology, culture, patterns of play, tactics, use of resources etc etc)

ive written before about how stupid our players are and Hugo was one... drink driving as a millionaire is BAD IMO. The World Cup final error was bad

I think we have a legacy of mind set problems. I mean there is a term sexy used about us, and that appeared in the last 5/6 years when we have arguably been at our best.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

ive written before about how stupid our players are and Hugo was one... drink driving as a millionaire is BAD IMO. The World Cup final error was bad

I think we have a legacy of mind set problems. I mean there is a term sexy used about us, and that appeared in the last 5/6 years when we have arguably been at our best.

So although I've pointed out that a large amount of the selectable team have no THFC legacy, you are going for the woo option?

 

[Baleforce]

I think the mentality issue is present in key players, I do question Lloris/Kane/Son there.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

So although I've pointed out that a large amount of the selectable team have no THFC legacy, you are going for the woo option?

Well as the word s.p.u.r.s.y gets changed to sexy

yeah I think we have a huge mentality issue in the club
It’s why people got excited about signing a leader Hojdjberg... abs he has shown a lot of the right things

don’t forget we have a lot of records as a club around our winning mindset... most semis lost (would be brick in porn). Only team in history to draw a game 3 up so late... I think we have the lowest penalty shoot out success rate (that would need checking off course)

And I do agree that a large amount of potential players wouldn’t come with that baggage... but bad apples spread the badness. And I do believe that I’ve seen it. Hell Poch got rid of his bad apples once they started fighting the youth. Makes a huge difference

 

[Finney Is Back]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1356626565245898752

That is incredibly damning for our manager and coaching staff.

 

[Diamond Lights]

That is incredibly damning for our manager and coaching staff.

Again, we all know this, opposing teams know this, so hardly surprising we are getting found out.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Not at all comfortable.

He has gotten Levy to spend quite a bit given the circumstances. Though Pochettino spent more in his last window than Mourinho has so far I think.

I think he deserves time to improve things. The question for me is how much time, that I don't have a good answer to.

He should be held responsible, no doubt. But the problems facing our team look more severe than they did to me a year and a half ago and I don't think all of that should be put on Mourinho.

Nope.... Poch spent £102.6m in his last window, £70.7m net.

Mourinho has spent £130.5m gross and 92.4m net.

In the 10 transfer windows prior to his very last one at the club Pochettino had spent a GRAND TOTAL of £30 million NET.

Of course the above doesn't indicate anything (other than the incredible job Pochettino did). I think Jose needs to have until the end of this season unless we go out of the Cup competitions without winning one and the chance of a top 4 place in the league disappears, in which case we might as well bring in the new guy a little early so that he can get a feel for the squad before the summer window. But Mourinho has certainly been backed in the market more than our previous manager was.

 

[Finney Is Back]

When has that team been available this season?

Up till the point that Lo Celso got injured? Also he could easily put Dele in there instead of Lo Celso (IMO that would actually be better as Dele is quite a step up in quality from Lo Celso I think)

 

[LincsSpur]

Surely the lesson from that game should be managing a game once a few goals ahead, not playing defensively from the first minute.

Agreed but Jose doesn’t think that way

It was a shocker though

Aurier and Winks at their finest

 

[LincsSpur]

The "blame" falls on the players but Jose is ultimately responsible unfortunately. I think as fans the vast majority would settle for losses if there was genuine effort put in by the team.

They seem to be lacking desire and belief, mourinho usually holds no prisoners but on this occasion his hand is forced due to the constraints of the clubs transfer policy and covid.

I'm sure if covid was not around levy having a hard on for Jose would have meant some real changes in the squad.

When you have sanchez, dier at the back with brain fart aurier you are going to ship in goals. Compound that with Lloris looking like he will concede every match cannot help.

This takes me to the point that we have been forced to play PEH along with a defensive midfield player like sissoko does not help matters in attack.

Get the man a reliable box to box midfield player that can chip in with goals we instantly become better. Get a quality CB in who can organise the defence and we start looking more solid at the back and after that we can genuinely play with confidence knowing we are solid.

This team reminds me of the 90's where we had a few brilliant players surrounded by complete fodder.

We may not have to make sensational signings that will put a serious debt in our finances, but buy players that can genuinely make a difference in the starting IX.

The fodder can be sold and slowly phased out. I think due to mourinhos previous experience he at the very least deserves a few transfer windows to solve the puzzle.

If getting shot of him this summer is the solution I would argue that the same players will sink the ship again.

Dier is the best CB at the club at the moment and that says it all.

Tell me about the 90s mate

I’ve been following us since the early 60s and seen some real brick and we have a way to fall yet to match it but we’re heading there

Clear out the deadwood and give some of the kids a chance if we can’t afford big signing on fees fair enough

But do something as we’re floundering atm

 

[billyiddo]

Nope.... Poch spent £102.6m in his last window, £70.7m net.

Mourinho has spent £130.5m gross and 92.4m net.

In the 10 transfer windows prior to his very last one at the club Pochettino had spent a GRAND TOTAL of £30 million NET.

Of course the above doesn't indicate anything (other than the incredible job Pochettino did). I think Jose needs to have until the end of this season unless we go out of the Cup competitions without winning one and the chance of a top 4 place in the league disappears, in which case we might as well bring in the new guy a little early so that he can get a feel for the squad before the summer window. But Mourinho has certainly been backed in the market more than our previous manager was.

regardless on what Poch spent v Mourinho spent, those numbers show that the pre-CL final team/squad, that 'let Poch down and is now letting Mourinho down' has had 230m worth of additions to it, across 2 seasons.

 

[LincsSpur]

Up till the point that Lo Celso got injured? Also he could easily put Dele in there instead of Lo Celso (IMO that would actually be better as Dele is quite a step up in quality from Lo Celso I think)

Dele certainly used to be but not for at least 18 months
Still better than Bergwijn Lucas Lamela and Bale though

 

[thfcsteff]

No mate its all Jose fault or so i keep getting told.

Who, currently, should take the most responsibility then mate? If not the manager, who?

 

[Gazza]

Can’t wait for that one
Dele plays an hour
We struggle
Hey “I told you so”

He boyed off bigger fish than dele, and brought them back with aplomb. Sammy Eto' being a prime example.

Dele has not been firing for well over a season, so again it's finger pointy time at Mourinho.

Dele should look at Ndombele as an example without looking too far.

At the end of the day peak dele in this team could do wonders.

Let's hope that he is determined to play for Mourinho and can kick back on.

 

[thfcsteff]

I think the contract piece is a red herring as it just kept their values up in the event of their playing or selling. Don’t forget their contracts were finishing rapidly
We will do the same with Hugo too but I wouldn’t be shocked if he was sold. I do question his meteorology by the way. His big game errors issue kinda shows a panic in his play.

maybe have a listen to this weeks extra inch podcast as their a lot on there you will embrace around the team but they also focus on the meteorology, the lack of hunger that seems to happen when players are here. I mean Bale is the epitome of that.

Sorry, I don't buy it.
You're saying it is a club thing? Lack of hunger affects players here? Jesus...
You're forcing me to say it, so I will.
Under Pochettino we climbed from mediocrity to a top 10 world club, consistent top 4, consistent title challengers and CL Finalists. All whilst spending two seasons away from a home stadium. All under a tight budget. We won countless big games, and I cannot remember if it was you or someone who said "well he had more games in his tenure"...the thing about it is, he CREATED more big games by making more games mean more because we were competing for real trophies!!!

Bale? He was ALWAYS going to need special management, bespoke, an arm around the shoulder and a reminder he is still quality. I don't like Redknapp but he would absolutely get more out of Bale (again, I don't like him and I will not forget when he nearly gave up on him).

All this mentality stuff...you need to be a unit. You need to be a family. Look at Klopp, they'd fudging die for him because he is not just a leader of men, he genuinely shows warmth and respect to his squad. OGS - who BTW I always felt long term was their answer once they'd given him the job- is starting to reap some reward. Rodgers, even though he's a Brent, same thing, he runs it like a family.

Mourinho runs it like a family, but the sort of family where you're going to be a doctor or lawyer, and if you want to be an artist or an actor you can fudge off or stay quiet because that's not his way. It is who he is (I would agree my metaphor is nothing more than conjecture, but the rest stands true IMO).

It's great he's having nice chats with Dele, but he should've been having them before. That is his job!

The mentality thing is such a tired, tired argument.

 

[AdamB]

I dont see how Dele fits into a Mourinho team, either positionally or work-rate. I hope he stays and a new manager tries to get him back to his best

 

[thfcsteff]

He boyed off bigger fish than dele, and brought them back with aplomb. Sammy Eto' being a prime example.

Dele has not been firing for well over a season, so again it's finger pointy time at Mourinho.

Dele should look at Ndombele as an example without looking too far.

At the end of the day peak dele in this team could do wonders.

Let's hope that he is determined to play for Mourinho and can kick back on.

Dele absolutely bears a heap of responsibility, no argument. But it is the manager's job to get him playing. You do not let talent like that sit and waste away. FWIW dele was mustard when Mourinho first came in, but he is not a player who functions well with launches forward and everyone behind the ball. Play to strengths.

Ndombele? Sorry, I think the player takes most of the responsibility, and Sissoko/Aurier too for helping him through. Mourinho obviously contributed, but to suggest he is the reason Ndombele is where he is right now would be grossly inaccurate IMO.

I think your bold-face above is the direction. We all want this. Generational talent.