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Im furious, absolutely disgusted

WookieD said:
Because it is a profession Ben, but the only way to get a significant pay rise is to move to better restaurants as the tip potential raises. Many restaurant workers haven't "Just started out", it is their profession and people move to better restaurants in order to increase their earning potential, which is mainly tips... Or another way of saying it is they are on performance pay.

I'm probably going to sound like a right **** here, but... If you don't want to tip your waiter/waitress in a TGIs, then fine, I guess. However, delivering impeccable service takes training and is a skill and if it isn't delivered, it can ruin the dining experience. If you flat out don't want to pay for that service then you shouldn't eat in good restaurants imo.

Of course, never pay for a service you don't think you have received, but only tipping a waiter because you would like to go back there and you would be embaressed to go back if you didn't tip? Answered your own question there I think mate.
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I live in Canada and absolutely loathe the 'tip by default' culture. You literally poured me a beer and expect a dollar for it? fudge off, it's your job!

Why do I have to pick up the bill for the owners of pubs? Pay your staff properly and if they go above what is expected of them then I will tip them.
 
johnola said:
I've never been to an all you can eat though. I presume there is no table service so what is there to tip exactly?
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if it's the place that took over genghis kahns barbecue pit, all the ingredients are raw, and you take it up to a chef to cook it for you still. and of course, drinks being brought to the table, and clearing away the piles of empty plates that the fat chuffers stack up.
 
WookieD said:
Of course, never pay for a service you don't think you have received, but only tipping a waiter because you would like to go back there and you would be embaressed to go back if you didn't tip? Answered your own question there I think mate.
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Not because i would be embaressed, i just would not want them spitting in my food, its the only reason i tip at the places we eat at reguarl. I did not tip once in New York my only experince of america and the looks i got from the staff out there, well fudge them. I worked on low wages and no one give me brick i had to go out and improve my lot for myself, thats capitalism and i fudging love the system.

I never look down my nose at anyone, i was poorly educated at left school early and worked as a labourer but the ones i respect are the ones that go and work everyday, just dont ask me to ever pay more then the price i have been quoted.

I drive a cab sometimes, and people sometimes tip me, though i find tipping is happening less and less. To be honest with you i find receiving tips a bit humilating because i have done the service that has been asked. Of course i never turn them down, i just think the people giving them have more money then sense.
 
Leeds Spur said:
Nearly got in a scrap at a place in Central Park that tried to charge me 20 percent!
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I know we had similar all over, caught a cab in from the airport and they sad it was 45 dollars and that was it bloke by the kiosk gave us the paper slip to confirm it. Then when we get to the hotel the guy says 50, i said no buddy its 45. He goes on about a tip, i said i dont tip, then he says what about the toll, i said i dont give a fudge about the toll the bloke at the airport said 45, do you want me to call the police.

He got back in the cab so quick you would not belive it, i liked new york but they want a tip for anything out there, and it aint happening not from me.
 
In the north-east (New York, Philadelphia, Boston), 15% is expected, 20% is for good service. Its less on the west coast and much less in the mid-west. It works both ways. I used to go to a bar in Philadelphia and tipped well. If I turned up and it was crowded, I was always served promptly and a seat at the bar was usually found. Even after I left and returned to visit friends, I got good treatment.

True, I was paying for that good treatment, but bar staff in the US rely on tips. My attitude is that the tip doesn't make much difference to me - tips are only a tiny part of my spending - but for people who work in environments where tips are the culture, they make a big difference to those receiving them.

That said, I don't like service charges for self-service. I tip for the service.

As for the pigs in Brighton, they were taking advantage. The owner didn't actually deny them all the can eat, he just eventually told them to find a trough elsewhere. Seems its his right to deny service to someone who is unpleasant.
 
I just don't accept the premise that People need tips to earn a good living. Pay your fudging staff the money they deserve and don't rely on charity from punters!! Tips for quality service nothing more nothing less. And if someone tries to back me into a corner to give a tip its not going to happen. Charge a fair price your products and pass the money onto your staff in the form of a fair wage
 
Me, the Missus and the little one went to embankment the other day. Went into a place called Giraffes and ordered 2 chicken burgers and 2 cokes and some nuggets for my boy. Ordered the bill and it listed the food total, OPTIONAL SERVICE CHARGE 12.5% and then at the bottom it said TOTAL TO PAY and included the service charge.

So I just left the amount for the food. The above came to £28.00 anyway! I'd have left £30 if they hadn't included a charge in the bill. tinkles me off.
 
WookieD said:
You're disgusted that the manager of a restaurant got fed up with two pigs coming in, stacking their food high so that everyone else eating there has to wait for more to be made and then not bothering to either tip or buy drinks, and finally had enough of them after two years of putting up with them? Bizarre mate, I'd have gotten rid of the pricks a long time ago.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say that the two blokes are the ones that disgust me. You can practically hear their thought process "fudge that, it's self service, I'm not paying a tip"... Yeah, apart from the fudging war zone that has to be cleared up after you, you arse clowns. fudge them, they should be banned from eating out full stop... Maybe even banned from eating at all.
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If 2 people could stack a plate so high others had to wait, its a stupidly small buffet. If they advertise all you can eat, then that is what they should stick to. They arent going to refund people that dont eat enough are they ? win some lose some.

Why would they tip ? who would they tip ? They dont get drinks and they got their own food. And tipping is stupid anyway, I can guarantee I work harder than some fool bringing me a plate of food cooked by someone else - I dont get a tip. They are on min wage because its a job that requires little skill compared to other jobs. It seems tipping has become normal, when really it should be normal not to tip unless you received exceptional service with someone really going out of their way for you.
 
jts1882 said:
In the north-east (New York, Philadelphia, Boston), 15% is expected, 20% is for good service. Its less on the west coast and much less in the mid-west. It works both ways. I used to go to a bar in Philadelphia and tipped well. If I turned up and it was crowded, I was always served promptly and a seat at the bar was usually found. Even after I left and returned to visit friends, I got good treatment.

True, I was paying for that good treatment, but bar staff in the US rely on tips. My attitude is that the tip doesn't make much difference to me - tips are only a tiny part of my spending - but for people who work in environments where tips are the culture, they make a big difference to those receiving them.

That said, I don't like service charges for self-service. I tip for the service.

As for the pigs in Brighton, they were taking advantage. The owner didn't actually deny them all the can eat, he just eventually told them to find a trough elsewhere. Seems its his right to deny service to someone who is unpleasant.
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He has banned them for doing exactly what he advertises you can come and do at his restaurant - all you can eat. If they were messy, have a polite word. I doubt he would care if they were messy and didnt eat a lot.

Brighton should boycott that place.
 
I recently came back from Toronto and Montreal and the tipping culture and etiquette there rivals New York and America in general and I thought Egypt was bad.

You guys who havent gone to Egypt really should. A guy taking your bags to your hotel room will not leave your room till you give him a tip and if that fails get ready for him to handcuff himself to you till you give him a tip.


I always tip in UK maybe not as much as 20% but I tip simply because my first ever job was as a waiter when I was 17 and I worked hard to get the tips as that turned a poor minimum (£3 ph) wage into a decent wage. I will only tip though for good service not shoddy service.
 
tommysvr said:
I live in Canada and absolutely loathe the 'tip by default' culture. You literally poured me a beer and expect a dollar for it? fudge off, it's your job!

Why do I have to pick up the bill for the owners of pubs? Pay your staff properly and if they go above what is expected of them then I will tip them.
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I agree, it's one of the things I really dislike about US/Canada. I think people should be paid properly,and the idea that in the US you should tip 10% if you think you have had poor service and more if you thought it was good is just madness.
 
Leeds Spur said:
I just don't accept the premise that People need tips to earn a good living. Pay your fudging staff the money they deserve and don't rely on charity from punters!! Tips for quality service nothing more nothing less. And if someone tries to back me into a corner to give a tip its not going to happen. Charge a fair price your products and pass the money onto your staff in the form of a fair wage
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This is the crux of the issue really, but until it happens then I tip.
 
As a rule I tip, I give money to beggars and charity regularly. Probably a couple of grand a year. I'm generous. But it's MY choice. Not some company trying to stiff me. I always check that the money goes to the staff in full as well.
 
japenesegardenlover said:
Not because i would be embaressed, i just would not want them spitting in my food, its the only reason i tip at the places we eat at reguarl. I did not tip once in New York my only experince of america and the looks i got from the staff out there, well fudge them. I worked on low wages and no one give me brick i had to go out and improve my lot for myself, thats capitalism and i fudging love the system.

I never look down my nose at anyone, i was poorly educated at left school early and worked as a labourer but the ones i respect are the ones that go and work everyday, just dont ask me to ever pay more then the price i have been quoted.

I drive a cab sometimes, and people sometimes tip me, though i find tipping is happening less and less. To be honest with you i find receiving tips a bit humilating because i have done the service that has been asked. Of course i never turn them down, i just think the people giving them have more money then sense.
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You shouldn't find it humiliating, it's the times we're in. As for waiters, who are you to say they need to improve themselves? What if someone is working to become a sommelier, or maitre'd or chooses to be a waiter as a career choice? It's perfect for the owners as its the illusion of choice, the prices look much cheaper as the customer pays the staff by default. That's where I agree with Leeds that people should e paid a proper wage. THEN, if you choose to tip, it is because you have received something wonderful, like a handjob under the table, who knows. But it riles me that statistically, you can serve people complete brick, and as long as the front of house is well trained enough, you'll likely go back. Yet you flip that around and it doesn't matter how good the food is, if the front of house is brick, barely anyone will go back. Yet good waiters get dumped on all the time. Chef gets paid regardless, should be the same for waiters.
 
Leeds Spur said:
As a rule I tip, I give money to beggars and charity regularly. Probably a couple of grand a year. I'm generous. But it's MY choice. Not some company trying to stiff me. I always check that the money goes to the staff in full as well.
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Absolutely, if service is already added I make a point of asking the waiter. And I'll never leave a tip if I've had bad service. I had a bottle of wine taken off my bill a few weeks ago because the service was so bad. But when it's good, I tip. I tip for good ****tails as well.
 
Difficult one to call, yes they may have been a bit greedy but then the advert doesn't say "all you can eat, as long as you buy a beer and tip for service" so the owner needs to look at himself as much as the porky customers. If they were making the buffet a mess or ruining the experience for others then that's different and I have no problem with the owner in that case, if they were just going up, getting a bowl full and another and another then the owner should have let them be. As someone else said, I bet he doesn't partially refund people that come in and eat half a bowl full.

As for tipping, I don't mind tipping for good service, we went on honeymoon recently, we had one taxi driver that didn't say a word to us and another that was telling us all about the island, about good places to go and sights to see and pointing things out as we drove around and was generally doing that bit extra. Guess which one got a tip and which one didn't.

The thing that annoys me is adding tips to a bill before bringing it to me in the hope that I'll just pay it and maybe leave another tip if I don't notice that it's already been added.

Another thing that annoys me is someone doing something I would be more than happy to do myself without me asking and then expecting a tip for it. The worst one being the "freshen up for the punany" f%$£ers that sit in the toilet at clubs and pass you one sheet of paper towel and then expect a quid for it. F off mate I can get my own paper towel. If I stink and want some aftershave I'll buy it off you for a quid but I can wash my own hands.
 
Tipping in the US is ridiculous, I was at Coachella Festival a few years back, went up to the bar, asked for a beer, the guy picks up one of the pre poured pints approx 2 yards behind him, I give him the exact money and he has the cheek to ask 'what, no tip?'. 'For picking up a pre poured pint and passing it to me? No chance!'. then he mumbled some crap under his breath. The fudger didnt even pour it, they had machines doing that ffs!
 
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