Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
That for me is the norm for him though
He gets the ball, takes to many touches, loses the ball the chases around a bit and gives away a foul
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I liked Erik Lamela before it was cool
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That for me is the norm for him though
He gets the ball, takes to many touches, loses the ball the chases around a bit and gives away a foul
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Luka Modric
Don't all of those play up front?.... Do you not see the difference?
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
And also have massive success rates on every applicable stat including goals, assists etc... That Lamella doesn't
We should maybe compare Lamella with Downing but in this season it wouldnt be favourable either
Maybe we should compare him with someone really **** to see? How about we compare him with Jonathan Walters?? Yet again a player who has scored goal and I belibe assisted too
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
You counted both him getting dispossessed and misplaced passes in that?
Did you do a similar count for our other attacking players?
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Luka Modric
I'm not sure it was a proper scientific count.... I just said "Lamela has lost it again" a few times and one of the guys around me said "what's that?... 6 times now?" And then there was another occasion or 2. The bloke doesn't deserve a place in the team currently ahead of Lennon.
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Tim Sherwood
Usually you can tell fairly quickly if a player is going to struggle. I thought we had bought him because he could dribble or go past players. When he tried to in his first few games and failed - and then continued to try and fail in many games following -mostly running into the opposing player I knew it was going to be difficult for him. Whatever worked for him at Roma doesn't translate here - at least not in the positions/role/formation he has been played in (which is quite a few). I said this months ago -also noting his dwelling on the ball and need for more time on the ball - and nothing has changed.
It is probably hard to tell if that is going to happen before you sign a player. but once you have seen the same thing happen over and over, I think you have to accept the outcome is unlikely to change without some major intervention -and give the player a rest, try and train them, build them up physically or whatever can be done/is required -or sell them. But to keep playing Lamela in the same system and position and expect some miraculous turnaround is unfair to Lamela and to the team.
And that is not to say Lamela isn't talented or a good footballer -he just isn't the right player for us -or the Premiership possibly -as I'm not sure which other teams he would get into.
It is probably hard to tell if that is going to happen before you sign a player. but once you have seen the same thing happen over and over, I think you have to accept the outcome is unlikely to change without some major intervention -and give the player a rest, try and train them, build them up physically or whatever can be done/is required -or sell them. But to keep playing Lamela in the same system and position and expect some miraculous turnaround is unfair to Lamela and to the team.
And that is not to say Lamela isn't talented or a good footballer -he just isn't the right player for us -or the Premiership possibly -as I'm not sure which other teams he would get into.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
What about Dusan Tasic at Southampton?
He has settled quickly and is. Young player in a new league
He has settled quickly and is. Young player in a new league
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Luka Modric
Also with every week that goes by the opposition learn more and more that he can only beat a player on his left (well when I say 'beat' I mean run into the middle of the pitch without actually getting past them)
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Jimmy McCormick
What you'd advocating is an avb style pointless fear of the opposition keep ball.
Lamala was trying things. They didn't always work out.
If the kid can't attempt to create at home against Palace without ***** getting on his back for losing possession.
I thought we were supposed to be Tottenham.
Would you rather he played the safe pass back to Dier all game?
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Jimmy McCormick
He's 26.
And his dispossessed stats are terrible!!
He just get abuse for losing the ball.
Why is another player (a gamble like this) always the answer. Same with managers.
We need to build a system at the club that works. Not bet on lucky transfers.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
But was it passes or just tackles? Just seems very high, although I agree that he was poor.
Based on his performance against Palace he doesn't deserve to be in the team. Based on his performances against Chelsea and Hull I think he deserves to be in the team. He's inconsistent, along with the rest of the team although at more extreme low points.
Interesting point. People wanted AVB's head on a stake for playing pointless possession football.
Lamela for me is always looking to be creative and he doesn't hide. Even when things aren't going his way he keeps wanting the ball and he keeps trying to make things happen. He needs to improve, but I think that will come.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
What was the signing of Lamella then?
So who is a fair comparison for Lamella? Willian? Cost similar money and plays in a foreign league?
Now in his second season and still performing!
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
He doesn't hide and he works hard I will say that
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
What exactly is it you want to compare? Goals? Assists? Performances?
Most people agree that Lamela hasn't lived up to his potential so far. What most people that are defending him are saying is that he has a lot of potential and that he should be given time to realize it. How are you going to compare that to someone else?
If you don't think there have been players that have struggled to make an impact in their first 15 or so games (starts) in the Premier League and gone on to be very important players we'll just have to continue disagreeing. If you don't think he has the skill or talent to make it, what does it matter who you compare him to?
Yes. Let's compare him to a regular starter and well performing player at the best club in the league. What have we added to the discussion with this comparison?
Downing is an interesting example. How many seasons of pure ****e before he found his current form?
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
The people who defend him use his assist stats. I'm expressing my opinion that when he plays were a worse team.
If people want to use stats then we need a comparison And ideally that's should be a like for like
It's why I said tasic. He had played roughly the same amount of games and has performed significantly better.
If people want to use stats then we need a comparison And ideally that's should be a like for like
It's why I said tasic. He had played roughly the same amount of games and has performed significantly better.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Plenty but he has a manager playing him now to his strengths possibly???
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Luka Modric
The problem I have with him at the moment is that I can't see what his strengths are. It seems to me that he wants to be a dribbler of the ball, but simply isn't very good at it. He just seems cut across the pitch (in to where the opposition tend to have their numbers). He never actually seems to get beyond his opponent and yet he still manages to lose the ball a lot.
I could possibly understand us playing him if we had Walker or Yedlin bombing on down the right, but with a Dier offensive fullback (did you see what I did there) it just leads to us having no width and the game becoming congested when we attack, making it easy for the opposition.
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braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Our standard game plan isn't an out of form and low on confidence Eric Dier at right back though. He's currently 4th choice there by the looks of things and only played because of injuries.
Lamela obviously has a lot of flair and skill. He can beat a man, although he needs to pick his moments better. Great close control, first touch combined with good vision and passing. Not the quickest or the strongest, but certainly not slow and certainly not weak. He can also score as we've seen for Roma and for us in the EL, I do think he needs a PL goal to boost his confidence and get that out of the way. Give him the ball, get players moving around him, create some space and I think he'll be excellent.
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Luka Modric
I agree that isn't our standard game plan, but when that is the only person available to play at right back we should be capable of adjusting accordingly, especially when it is clear how impotent we look down that side of the pitch.
I'm afraid I'm not really a subscriber to the theory of a goal boosting his confidence and then more following. I think his confidence seems ok (he doesn't seem to be afraid of trying things - it's just that they hardly ever come off). You say Lamela obviously has a lot of flair and skill, but his performances haven't shown that.... I could say the same about Andros Townsend, but it doesn't mean he will be a good player for us either.