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Harry Redknapp: The Aftermath

Would you keep Arry after the Season?

  • Yes - He's done well and should be given at least one more season to consolidate our team

    Votes: 25 53.2%

  • No - he's peaked and would hold us back.

    Votes: 22 46.8%
  • Total voters
    47
T-C said:
One thing Harry came out with a little while back was that Lennon kept picking up hamstring injuries. Well, actually look at our injuries this season and Lennon is not the only one. VdV, Adebayor, King, Bale, Defoe have all picked up hamstring injuries which have kept them out of games since January. Something isn't right.
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Other teams have EXACTLY the same problem. Are all Managers brick? Arsenal and Chelsea have especially suffered this year (more than us) with niggly injuries. Utd have struggled with injuries for a couple of seasons now. It's part of the game.
 
bankrupt said:
Agree with this. Football, at an elite level, is about fine margins. All the top coaches will say that, and it is why the likes of Mourinho are OBSESSED with the details.

Redknapp, on the other hand, has frequently said that the fine margins don't matter (even extending that to formations and tactical setup) because none of these details will make a player kick a ball better, etc. Just keep them happy, motivated with an arm round the shoulder and send them out there to play football freely. Grossly naive, which is one of the reasons why I've never been a fan of the guy and never think he'll be a top, top manager.
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Dave Mackay who was the best player I ever saw, said the double winning team played off the cuff football.

However its different game now..or does it still apply..

sticking my neck out..I too still believe if you have the right players with the right skills you don,t need tactics..although they should play
in their best position.
They have to have the right skills though..and that 61 Team had that in abundance.

This Season and last, opportunities have been missed in transfers where we could have had a better squad..and although I wanted Rednapp
obviously to make Spurs successful..its his fault or perhaps Levy's although I don,t think its his job to look around and pick the players.
A terrible collapse as well, bloody unbelievable what ever way you look at it.
 
The Moonlit Knight said:
Other teams have EXACTLY the same problem. Are all Managers brick? Arsenal and Chelsea have especially suffered this year (more than us) with niggly injuries. Utd have struggled with injuries for a couple of seasons now. It's part of the game.
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Of course they do, but that doesn't mean that nothing can be done about it. These types of injury are to a certain extent predictable, the technology is out there and our coaching team have it available.

It's a big 'if', but if we employ the type of people who look at that data and say "he should be ok... Its not like he has to run ankle deep in mud" then we have a problem.
 
T-C said:
Of course they do, but that doesn't mean that nothing can be done about it. These types of injury are to a certain extent predictable, the technology is out there and our coaching team have it available.

It's a big 'if', but if we employ the type of people who look at that data and say "he should be ok... Its not like he has to run ankle deep in mud" then we have a problem.
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Actually, in most cases there really is nothing that can be done about it. Rest is usually the cure. Operations can make things worst.

Also who is the most important person in the process? The player, and the attitude of the player. The specialists, the physio's the Manager may all order a player to follow a certain regime, e.g. do an hours worth of rehab exercises before you go to bed etc. but if the player doesn't follow the order then the injury may never clear up. Never ceases to amaze me how no one ever considers it could be a players fault and that they aren't looking after themselves.
 
super spurs said:
Dave Mackay who was the best player I ever saw, said the double winning team played off the cuff football.

However its different game now..or does it still apply..

sticking my neck out..I too still believe if you have the right players with the right skills you don,t need tactics..although they should play
in their best position.
They have to have the right skills though..and that 61 Team had that in abundance.

This Season and last, opportunities have been missed in transfers where we could have had a better squad..and although I wanted Rednapp
obviously to make Spurs successful..its his fault or perhaps Levy's although I don,t think its his job to look around and pick the players.
A terrible collapse as well, bloody unbelievable what ever way you look at it.
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I don't actually believe that Redknapp's teams play 'off the cuff' football. Neither do I believe that the double winning team did.

I just don't think Redknapp is too concerned with the details. That would be fine, if he was employing coaches and staff that did that for him, but it doesn't really appear that he is.
 
So much for Redknapp bizarre theory that Chelsea getting to the Champion's League Final would distract them from the league. Predictably they are buoyed by their success and playing full of confidence.
 
The Moonlit Knight said:
Actually, in most cases there really is nothing that can be done about it. Rest is usually the cure. Operations can make things worst.

Also who is the most important person in the process? The player, and the attitude of the player. The specialists, the physio's the Manager may all order a player to follow a certain regime, e.g. do an hours worth of rehab exercises before you go to bed etc. but if the player doesn't follow the order then the injury may never clear up. Never ceases to amaze me how no one ever considers it could be a players fault and that they aren't looking after themselves.
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Actually, resting the player is 'doing' something about it. The most important person in the process is the guy who picks the team. If a player isn't following their rehab programme,then the coaching/medical team know it and they simply shouldn't be picked.

I've seen the raw data on a high profile player (non Spurs) where the management were told that it was a risk for him to play, but if that risk was going to be taken then only to play one half. Come half time the player doesn't want to come off and the manager doesn't make the big decision. The injury reoccurs in the second half and the player is out for the next 3 months. Yes the player is partly to blame, but the manager had the data available and should have been prepared to make the sub.
 
Our player's fitness has not caused the huge collapse. Its been completely debunked by any statictics you want to use (games played or minutes play). Debating it is just a distraction form the actual issue.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/28/harry-redknapp-tottenham-england-fa

"This is not the first time something like this has happened. Bordeaux had a nine-point lead at the top of Ligue 1 midway through the 2009-10 season, with 14 wins from 19 games. They had sailed through their Champions League group, beating Bayern Munich home and away. They had won the previous season without a single home defeat and were daring to wonder whether the treble was on. "We all believe we can do it," the defender Matthieu Chalm?® said in the final week of January.

Then Jean-Pierre Escalettes, the president of the French Football Federation, went public with his belief that Laurent Blanc had strong credentials to coach the national team after the World Cup. Blanc, he said, was "an exemplary man" and a "good candidate" to replace Raymond Domenech.

Bordeaux went into freefall, winning five of their next 19 league games. They finished sixth, outside the Europa League positions, with eight points from the final 10 matches. Lyon knocked them out of the Champions League and Marseille beat them in the final of the Coupe de la Ligue. "It was like a plane crash," the midfielder Fernando remembers.

A similar thing happened when Sir Alex Ferguson was supposed to be retiring from Manchester United after the 2001-02 season. The players, Ferguson says, "relaxed." They had won the league by 10 points the previous year. Now they finished third, 10 points behind Arsenal. United's nine defeats that season is their highest number of the past 20 years.

Ferguson has believed ever since that a form of complacency can set in when a manager is planning to leave. Insecurity, too. At Bordeaux, key players such as Marouane Chamakh and Yoann Gourcuff started wondering whether they should hang around if Blanc was moving on. The most cautionary part of this story for Spurs is that the 2009 French champions have never really recovered. Last season they finished seventh. The current side are eighth. Even now, they won't talk publicly about the reasons everything started to fall away. But everyone knows."


You'd be stupid not to agree with Ferguson on most things football related.
 
Modric THFC said:
Our player's fitness has not caused the huge collapse. Its been completely debunked by any statictics you want to use (games played or minutes play). Debating it is just a distraction form the actual issue.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/apr/28/harry-redknapp-tottenham-england-fa

"This is not the first time something like this has happened. Bordeaux had a nine-point lead at the top of Ligue 1 midway through the 2009-10 season, with 14 wins from 19 games. They had sailed through their Champions League group, beating Bayern Munich home and away. They had won the previous season without a single home defeat and were daring to wonder whether the treble was on. "We all believe we can do it," the defender Matthieu Chalm?® said in the final week of January.

Then Jean-Pierre Escalettes, the president of the French Football Federation, went public with his belief that Laurent Blanc had strong credentials to coach the national team after the World Cup. Blanc, he said, was "an exemplary man" and a "good candidate" to replace Raymond Domenech.

Bordeaux went into freefall, winning five of their next 19 league games. They finished sixth, outside the Europa League positions, with eight points from the final 10 matches. Lyon knocked them out of the Champions League and Marseille beat them in the final of the Coupe de la Ligue. "It was like a plane crash," the midfielder Fernando remembers.

A similar thing happened when Sir Alex Ferguson was supposed to be retiring from Manchester United after the 2001-02 season. The players, Ferguson says, "relaxed." They had won the league by 10 points the previous year. Now they finished third, 10 points behind Arsenal. United's nine defeats that season is their highest number of the past 20 years.

Ferguson has believed ever since that a form of complacency can set in when a manager is planning to leave. Insecurity, too. At Bordeaux, key players such as Marouane Chamakh and Yoann Gourcuff started wondering whether they should hang around if Blanc was moving on. The most cautionary part of this story for Spurs is that the 2009 French champions have never really recovered. Last season they finished seventh. The current side are eighth. Even now, they won't talk publicly about the reasons everything started to fall away. But everyone knows."


You'd be stupid not to agree with Ferguson on most things football related.
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How does that explain the slump at the end of last season?
 
Not sure if this is the appropriate thread having not been here for a while. I have always supported Harry strongly, but since his cringe-worthy press conferences around the England job speculation - and the depressing drop in our form -my faith in him as a manager has diminished. Sure he has done a great job. I will never take that away from him. But, he is never wrong, can never accept criticism and is too easy to fall back on 'we were 2nd from bottom' or 'I am happy with what I have done'. He is beyond narcissistic. We had a glorous opportunity to do something this year, and then to use that to build for next year. Instead we are likely going to face a major rebuilding effort (which was always going to be part-required) but exacerbated by the potential loss of key players if we don't get CL football. My problem is that unlike the very top managers Harry does not seem to drill our style of play in training. From what I have picked up things seem too open, too laissez-faire. Of course, it worked when we were playing superbly. But when the pressure is on any good team needs its systems to play through difficult moments. Arsenal and ManU are prime examples of what I am talking about. We also missed the chance to really add strength to our squad over the past few windows which has come back to bite us especially considering long-standing (defensive) weaknesses and unfortunate injuries to key players. I know these are all debatable points, and I am not looking to simply attack Harry, or deny the obvious progress made. But we have humiliated ourselves over the past 2 months and it has been so painful, so costly. Cannot imagine what Levy is thinking with the summer window ahead. Lets just hope we can seize on the games we have left to do our bit to get top 4 otherwise the whole thing may get very unplesant.
 
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There have been lots of stories about complete internal capitulation of confidence. Harry has done us royally imo, too easily satisfied when we had the team to cement 3rd.
 
First ten minutes against Blackburn, plenty of width and Sandro, Modric and VDV getting forward and commiting defenders, we look a lot better all ready, I will look forward to your next fudging essay Fuego.
 
The half time analysis is breaking up how incompetent 'bale roaming' is. It is so obvious, why does it happen ffs we lose so much
 
camspur said:
Ashley Cole doesn't get forward at all does he.
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He chooses his runs so does Evra, ours literally play as wingbacks and leave our two at the back exposed, I know Parker drops in there but when we get caught on the break we have only two players facing play.
 
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