Happy St paddys day to

[Roy1983]

Yup, in Oz now. I didn't leave because of foreign ****s though! London was sucking the soul right out of me. I still maintain it is the greatest city in the world, and the UK as a whole is getting it so right in many aspects. Globally, we are in a delicate position.

I think one reason I hold my views is because when I grew up in Enfield there was one Indian sweet shop and the rest of the shops were run by English people. Top shops, school uniform shops etc have now been replaced by Turkish supermarkets, off licences and phone shops. Now, while there are some nice people included in there, there are a lot of them who have real chips on their shoulders. Not nice people.

It's what your used to surely? I don't like the change I've seen over the years in my local town.

One other thing. My old school had one black kid in the whole year and one in the year below. 2 in the whole school. My little boy is 18 months and we went to view it recently with a view to sending him there. There were 2 white kids in the year and the rest of the kids were black.

Now PLEASE fellas don't think I'm being funny and I know it's said so often but I really have met and have been fortunate enough to befriend many black people. Genuinely. But am I wrong to question sending my boy to a school where he is a minority? I can imagine black parents must've felt the same sending their kids to a majority white school?

 

[BushHillSpurs]

Views on foreigners? Diego my view is simple. If these immigrants have come over to England from wherever simply to claim benefits (Which a % do) I think it's only right that benefit is stopped. That's it.

I've no problem with anyone coming over to work to pay their taxes in England. None whatsoever. Why my views are often dismissed as far right is incredible.


Has it occured to you that maybe your views are outdated, rather than a whole forum being 'left wing'...

A view that if your country is already 70M strong and smaller than the size of Florida, that we cant take no more?
A view that if we are letting in citizens from other countries, that they actually offer viable services to us rather than being a drain?

Why am I the outdated one?

 

[BushHillSpurs]

I think one reason I hold my views is because when I grew up in Enfield there was one Indian sweet shop and the rest of the shops were run by English people. Top shops, school uniform shops etc have now been replaced by Turkish supermarkets, off licences and phone shops. Now, while there are some nice people included in there, there are a lot of them who have real chips on their shoulders. Not nice people.

It's what your used to surely? I don't like the change I've seen over the years in my local town.

One other thing. My old school had one black kid in the whole year and one in the year below. 2 in the whole school. My little boy is 18 months and we went to view it recently with a view to sending him there. There were 2 white kids in the year and the rest of the kids were black.

Now PLEASE fellas don't think I'm being funny and I know it's said so often but I really have met and have been fortunate enough to befriend many black people. Genuinely. But am I wrong to question sending my boy to a school where he is a minority? I can imagine black parents must've felt the same sending their kids to a majority white school?

Very well put. =D>
Your correct in worrying about the schools. Its a great concern of mine that education standards are slipping highly in this country because teachers have to hold back heavily, due to non-native speakers...

 

[Roy1983]

A view that if your country is already 70M strong and smaller than the size of Florida, that we cant take no more?
A view that if we are letting in citizens from other countries, that they actually offer viable services to us rather than being a drain?

Why am I the outdated one?

You make a good point. Australia is well known for only allowing people in who can offer the country something. It's got to be the best way forward surely?

 

[BushHillSpurs]

I think this thread will need renaming soon too.

Namby pamby liberals Vs Common sense? 8-[

* I am only messing about with you guys *

 

[Roy1983]

Very well put. =D>
Your correct in worrying about the schools. Its a great concern of mine that education standards are slipping highly in this country because teachers have to hold back heavily, due to non-native speakers...

A woman I work with told me that she was called to an emergency parents evening and the head mistress stood up to tell them that they might want to consider Saturday classes 9-11 as she was worried that they would fall behind as the teachers had been told to concentrate more on the non speaking pupils.

 

[AuroRaman]

I think one reason I hold my views is because when I grew up in Enfield there was one Indian sweet shop and the rest of the shops were run by English people. Top shops, school uniform shops etc have now been replaced by Turkish supermarkets, off licences and phone shops. Now, while there are some nice people included in there, there are a lot of them who have real chips on their shoulders. Not nice people.

It's what your used to surely? I don't like the change I've seen over the years in my local town.

One other thing. My old school had one black kid in the whole year and one in the year below. 2 in the whole school. My little boy is 18 months and we went to view it recently with a view to sending him there. There were 2 white kids in the year and the rest of the kids were black.

Now PLEASE fellas don't think I'm being funny and I know it's said so often but I really have met and have been fortunate enough to befriend many black people. Genuinely. But am I wrong to question sending my boy to a school where he is a minority? I can imagine black parents must've felt the same sending their kids to a majority white school?

I can understand completely your fears mate. I guess, with me not being a white UK citizen, I may not hold the same affiliation with what is considered the 'indigenous' population and therefore I have never been worried about the skin colour of those around me. In my eyes, what makes me feel proud to be British isn't the colour of my skin, it's my Britishness, if that makes sense?

In your area, it may be the case that some of this Britishness is being lost. However, having lived in close proximity to Enfield (Barnet boy myself), it is a slightly poorer area, and naturally those that have either gained asylum or have been granted Residency, if they are not uber-wealthy, will be attracted to these areas. Schools in these areas may indeed have a predominantly ethnic pupil-base. However, the schools in richer areas and with enhanced reputations, be they comprehensives or private, are still predominantly white.

You don't need to make disclaimers in your posts by the way mate, everyone on here knows you're a decent bloke and are passionate about your country

 

[Hootnow]

I think one reason I hold my views is because when I grew up in Enfield there was one Indian sweet shop and the rest of the shops were run by English people. Top shops, school uniform shops etc have now been replaced by Turkish supermarkets, off licences and phone shops. Now, while there are some nice people included in there, there are a lot of them who have real chips on their shoulders. Not nice people.

It's what your used to surely? I don't like the change I've seen over the years in my local town.

One other thing. My old school had one black kid in the whole year and one in the year below. 2 in the whole school. My little boy is 18 months and we went to view it recently with a view to sending him there. There were 2 white kids in the year and the rest of the kids were black.

Now PLEASE fellas don't think I'm being funny and I know it's said so often but I really have met and have been fortunate enough to befriend many black people. Genuinely. But am I wrong to question sending my boy to a school where he is a minority? I can imagine black parents must've felt the same sending their kids to a majority white school?

Get yourself down to Essex Roy. My son went to a school where he was one of 8 non-white kids in a year of 155.

 

[AuroRaman]

A view that if your country is already 70M strong and smaller than the size of Florida, that we cant take no more?
A view that if we are letting in citizens from other countries, that they actually offer viable services to us rather than being a drain?

Why am I the outdated one?

I'm going to need sources and figures about the above statement.

The Sun, Daily Mail and EDL website are not reliable sources by the way

You know I'm joking of course!

 

[BushHillSpurs]

I'm going to need sources and figures about the above statement.

The Sun, Daily Mail and EDL website are not reliable sources by the way

You know I'm joking of course!

Does that also mean that we can disregard the Guardian, Independant & The Observer? \o/

What is a Centre ground Media source/outlet??? :-k

 

[Roy1983]

Get yourself down to Essex Roy. My son went to a school where he was one of 8 non-white kids in a year of 155.

Hope you don't take offence to what I said mate black people are on a level playing field in my eyes to white people. That's why when you argued that they don't have equal rights in the workplace, a view I'm aware you hold, the reason I disagreed with you was that they should have. It's 2013! As for the school thing how did you find it? Was it a prominent thing in your mind when you picked him up from school?

 

[Roy1983]

Can I just add that this is not a dig at the mods but this is great, random discussion. It really is quite rare for these parts

 

[BushHillSpurs]

Can I just add that this is not a dig at the mods but this is great, random discussion. It really is quite rare for these parts

Completely agree.
It was friendly debate (mostly!) - However, i've got to shoot off. I cant exhaust all the cells within this knuckle dragging macarons brain

Back tomorrow

 

[AuroRaman]

Does that also mean that we can disregard the Guardian, Independant & The Observer? \o/

What is a Centre ground Media source/outlet??? :-k

:lol: touche

Hmm, that's a very good question :-k

 

[AuroRaman]

You make a good point. Australia is well known for only allowing people in who can offer the country something. It's got to be the best way forward surely?

Yes mate, they are very strict here and in NZ. If you're job is not on the skills shortage list or you are not sponsored by an employer, it's difficult to get in. However, if you have the time/patience/money to keep knocking on the door, they'll eventually relent. Had a big issue with this in NZ, which is why we're in Oz at the moment. I've either naively or arrogantly thought that my British passport would hold me in good stead out here, but it isn't the case!

I must admit, this is where my vegetarian, tree-hugging, Guardian-reading side comes into play. I resent that I need to justify wanting to live in a part of my own planet through paperwork, what skills I may have etc. I understand the system, I understand that immigration has become so important for our own safety, I understand that on the whole, it's a system that works. But the child of the Universe in me resents it.

I do believe that a zero-tolerance attitude to immigration may indeed be required in Britain, more for numerical balance as opposed to worrying about the motives of foreign citizens coming in. However, our general policies on immigration for those that are coming in to seek asylum and to work is another reason I am incredibly proud to be British!

 

[AuroRaman]

This is all Chich's fault, he deserves a good spanking...

 

[Hootnow]

Hope you don't take offence to what I said mate black people are on a level playing field in my eyes to white people. That's why when you argued that they don't have equal rights in the workplace, a view I'm aware you hold, the reason I disagreed with you was that they should have. It's 2013! As for the school thing how did you find it? Was it a prominent thing in your mind when you picked him up from school?

Hmmm, not too much tbh. It bothered me a little bit at the beginning because he came under a bit of racial abuse, from both pupils and teachers (didn't help that he's a bit of a mix genetically. He's half black, quarter Arab and quarter white European) but I told him to never shy away from defending himself from these ignorants and to get on with his studies. Because he's not purely any one race anyway, I don't think he, I or the wife have ever been too bothered by what colour his friends are and after a few years of kids growing up (and him starting boxing ) he doesn't have too much trouble anymore and he's relatively happy with a good group of multi-ethnic friends. And if he's happy, I'm happy!

 

[Jurgen the German]

You make a good point. Australia is well known for only allowing people in who can offer the country something. It's got to be the best way forward surely?

America is similar. My uncle lives there and runs his own small but successful business. I can't go and work for him unless he could not find an American to fill the position. The only way I could get a job over there is if I could provide a skill that they have a shortage of, or I set up a business that provides jobs for American citizens. It's the way it should be over here.

I'm a socialist, but I don't agree with everything labour does, especially when it comes to immigration.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I honestly have no idea what your talking about. My wife does not have anti english feelings, if she did i doubt she would have moved here and married one. I have spent weeks in Ireland with her family and never been treated with anything but respect, despite me passing out drunk and wetting myself in her aunts kitchen one xmas. They like all the Irish i have meet dislike terriosim.

But you can not get away from the fact that we treated that country very badly way back when just like we did India amongst other places. Is it time we all moved on and tried to live happily together sure. But lets be honest we started it so i can see where they are coming from and im not some liberal freak, far from it.

Point in my favour i did not think we should have lent the Irish money last year, i would rather we paid down some of our own debt and i also think we should be telling the irish gypsie folk in this country to fudge off. But the Irish have every right to feel tinkled at how the British behaved towards them and split their country.

I can see a similar chain of thought for the Irish to how i feel about the EU, i tell my extended Irish family that they may dislike the fact the British ruled part of their country but it is pointless now because we are all slaves to Brussels now anyway, something they have finally agreed with me after the last couple of years.

They do not slag of the British infront of me but we often in engage in interesting discussions, always over booze.
This thread was just meant as a nice thread about a community that has long been in our country(england) and who a lot of us have connections to.

Peoples anger i think needs to be directed at other things, like the politicans who continue to give our money away(it is ours because we pay through our taxes) to bail out other countries or to pay for gypsies to come over here. Just randomly slagging off all Irish is a bit stupid and i say this as a right wing person.

Like I said earlier in the thread, how long are countries like Ireland going to hold this against us for?

Not defending some of the things we did, but it was a different world back then. Divide and conquer and all that. The Romans did the same.

 

[Gordinho]

I think this thread will need renaming soon too.

Namby pamby liberals Vs Common sense? 8-[

* I am only messing about with you guys *

Just as well really because the the people who historically have described themselves as plain talkers talking common sense for the common man (Woodrow Wyatt, Richard Littlejohn, James Whale, Jeremy Clarkson) were or are all obnoxious bigotted tacos.