Happy St paddys day to

[spitshine]

Has the OP ever taken his wife or her family aside and had a few words or does he sit there like a plum whilst all anti English rhetoric is spoken in front of him. This I would like to know

 

[Hootnow]

I respect what you say but the fact remains that this should be more of a somber day and people reflecting on their past indiscretions.

More of a somber day? Are you having a laugh? Its a day that started off celebrating the arrival of Christianity to Ireland and has merely become a tinkle up, regardless of what country its celebrated in.

Do you want St Georges day to be celebrated in England? If so, do you propose us all to walk down the streets self flagellating or what?

Has the OP ever taken his wife or her family aside and had a few words or does he sit there like a plum whilst all anti English rhetoric is spoken in front of him. This I would like to know

And I'm actually genuinely gobsmacked at this post. Do you know Ben and his family personally, knowing the views and attitudes of his wife and all her family or have I missed one of his posts in this thread? Did you just genuinely suggest that all Irish people think the same about this problem and need to be 'sat down' as if they're little children if they don't have the best image of the English?

 

[Spursalot]

I respect what you say but the fact remains that this should be more of a somber day and people reflecting on their past indiscretions.

What?


Genuine disbelief. Why should a day that has been associated with drinking and fun for many years suddenly become a somber day where people reflect upon indiscretions?


Can't fathom a logical route from the first part to the second.



I'd be perfectly fine with the troubles having a day of their own. You don't just up and convert other special days at random because you feel like it though.


It's a day to celebrate a Saint, it has no link to the troubles.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Has the OP ever taken his wife or her family aside and had a few words or does he sit there like a plum whilst all anti English rhetoric is spoken in front of him. This I would like to know

I honestly have no idea what your talking about. My wife does not have anti english feelings, if she did i doubt she would have moved here and married one. I have spent weeks in Ireland with her family and never been treated with anything but respect, despite me passing out drunk and wetting myself in her aunts kitchen one xmas. They like all the Irish i have meet dislike terriosim.

But you can not get away from the fact that we treated that country very badly way back when just like we did India amongst other places. Is it time we all moved on and tried to live happily together sure. But lets be honest we started it so i can see where they are coming from and im not some liberal freak, far from it.

Point in my favour i did not think we should have lent the Irish money last year, i would rather we paid down some of our own debt and i also think we should be telling the irish gypsie folk in this country to fudge off. But the Irish have every right to feel tinkled at how the British behaved towards them and split their country.

I can see a similar chain of thought for the Irish to how i feel about the EU, i tell my extended Irish family that they may dislike the fact the British ruled part of their country but it is pointless now because we are all slaves to Brussels now anyway, something they have finally agreed with me after the last couple of years.

They do not slag of the British infront of me but we often in engage in interesting discussions, always over booze.
This thread was just meant as a nice thread about a community that has long been in our country(england) and who a lot of us have connections to.

Peoples anger i think needs to be directed at other things, like the politicans who continue to give our money away(it is ours because we pay through our taxes) to bail out other countries or to pay for gypsies to come over here. Just randomly slagging off all Irish is a bit stupid and i say this as a right wing person.

 

[JellySpur]

Has the OP ever taken his wife or her family aside and had a few words or does he sit there like a plum whilst all anti English rhetoric is spoken in front of him. This I would like to know

Mate, do you think all of us hate the english? :ross:

 

[Thebarbarian]

Has the OP ever taken his wife or her family aside and had a few words or does he sit there like a plum whilst all anti English rhetoric is spoken in front of him. This I would like to know

Spit ! Unfortunately you are come across as a victim of what many psychologists define as "Talking Without Any Thought"

I prefer to call it T.W.A.T

 

[DeanoAustin]

There is a bit of anti-English bias over here but it's getting better. I have a mate who comes across and he's been abused a few times for being English.

That said, the English get a rough ride wherever they go it seems. The Aussies and the Yanks, for example, don't seem to like you much either. It's all a load of nonsense. For example, I remember a few years back, Scotland were playing a 6 Nations game over here and there were a bunch of fans in the middle of Dublin, dressed in their kilts and stuff having a good old sing-song in the middle of Temple Bar. Most people had a good laugh with them which was great to see. But imagine if that had been English lads doing the same thing draped in Union Jacks - there would have been murder. It's not really fair IMO.

It's all a bit fudging stupid anyway. Whatever happened 100-800 years ago has nothing to do with anyone that's alive today. Most English people I know are good people and I've only ever felt welcome over there. There are a few tacos but every country (Ireland included) has their own.

As for Paddy's Day being a day for somber reflection...don't be stupid. For me, the IRA have not committed their atrocities in my name or in my country's name. They are scum but I'm not going to apologise for them nor do I think my country should.

 

[spitshine]

Spit ! Unfortunately you are come across as a victim of what many psychologists define as "Talking Without Any Thought"

I prefer to call it T.W.A.T

I believe it was an honourable question and if the OP was asked to choose if his son fights for which country, does he believe he will be joined in the trenches with his son.

I bet my last pound if there are arguments in the OP's household this would be brought up, irrespective of what they may have been arguing about..

 

[Seedy Ron]

They like all the Irish i have meet dislike terriosim.

Terri O'Sim is a bit of a **** in fairness.

 

[Thebarbarian]

I believe it was an honourable question and if the OP was asked to choose if his son fights for which country, does he believe he will be joined in the trenches with his son.

I bet my last pound if there are arguments in the OP's household this would be brought up, irrespective of what they may have been arguing about..

I'm sure in some way you are bring serious and actually believe in what you write. I have no issue with that principle as we live in a world of free speech and opinion , however, I have serious reservations about your ability to disassociate history from reality.

There are many "conflicts" that exist throughout the world , some have merit , others don't (depending on your own philosophies or beliefs) but to hang your hat on whether an English person should denigrate an Irish person solely based on actions in history ( none related to St Patricks day by the way ) is unbelievably ignorant and disrespectful to both nations .

No matter what your allegiance is, and maybe you have experience to give cause to it, there is no place for deriding a nation due to historical events or actions of a minority not respected by the majority of people.

 

[AuroRaman]

Spot on there,Jimbo. Gives me the fudging arsehole that that day is more readily "celebrated" over here than St. Georges.


Strange that there isn't an uproar with St.Paddy's. Stick Red and white up everywhere in April and the foreign ****s will start going mental. A very sad fact.

Oh the foreign ****s will go mental will they? That's a fact is it? Are you racist, an ignoramus, uneducated or just a massive taco?

 

[spitshine]

I'm sure in some way you are bring serious and actually believe in what you write. I have no issue with that principle as we live in a world of free speech and opinion , however, I have serious reservations about your ability to disassociate history from reality.

There are many "conflicts" that exist throughout the world , some have merit , others don't (depending on your own philosophies or beliefs) but to hang your hat on whether an English person should denigrate an Irish person solely based on actions in history ( none related to St Patricks day by the way ) is unbelievably ignorant and disrespectful to both nations .

No matter what your allegiance is, and maybe you have experience to give cause to it, there is no place for deriding a nation due to historical events or actions of a minority not respected by the majority of people.

There is no slight on any nation, in particular, this is just a point to note. A war, official or unnoficial on our doorstep deeply affected loads. Alot of things were distateful including if you recall the lynching live on camera(ok i was young) of those two officers during a funeral. Actions that day were similar to the username you use on this forum. very apt.

 

[Roy1983]

Oh the foreign ****s will go mental will they? That's a fact is it? Are you racist, an ignoramus, uneducated or just a massive taco?

I'd go with realist. Whilst calling them foreign ****s may be wrong on here the fact remains that there are still companies in England that are 'scared' to celebrate St George's day for fear of upsetting non English folk.

What do you make of that?

 

[Gordinho]

I'd go with realist. Whilst calling them foreign ****s may be wrong on here the fact remains that there are still companies in England that are 'scared' to celebrate St George's day for fear of upsetting non English folk.

What do you make of that?

I think it's an urban myth. Name some of these companies.

 

[Roy1983]

Bookies for a start. I know very well. Pubs too. Often pubs that are out in the sticks will show more interest in displaying flags eye but bearing in mind I've worked in London for 12 years I can tell you right now that its a fact.

Mitchell and butlers weren't allowed to display flags in my local and I even saw a memo from top brass outlining this as I know the landlord very well. Swinton car insurance told me they weren't allowed to display anything either when I renewed in the shop last St George's day.

 

[Gordinho]

Bookies for a start. I know very well. Pubs too. Often pubs that are out in the sticks will show more interest in displaying flags eye but bearing in mind I've worked in London for 12 years I can tell you right now that its a fact.

Mitchell and butlers weren't allowed to display flags in my local and I even saw a memo from top brass outlining this as I know the landlord very well. Swinton car insurance told me they weren't allowed to display anything either when I renewed in the shop last St George's day.

Well that's fudging shut me up then.

 

[Hootnow]

I'd go with realist. Whilst calling them foreign ****s may be wrong on here the fact remains that there are still companies in England that are 'scared' to celebrate St George's day for fear of upsetting non English folk.

What do you make of that?

I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that foreigners are offended by the English flag. I have never met any foreigners who are offended by the English flag. Its a myth thought up to blame yet another thing on those damn foreigners.

And even with the surefire existence of a few extremists who wouldn't like it (there's always nutters), this isn't the main consideration for the people who don't put up

You know the main reason people don't celebrate St Georges day? Because its fudging boring. Get people drinking and wearing hats and they'll be celebrating it all day long (though some others like spitshine may be whipping themselves to repent and reflect).

The flag has unfortunately been allowed to be commandeered by bigots like the EDL and BNP and so a lot of the population seem to be a bit ashamed to be seen with it.

And I've seen St Georges' flags in the South East of the country. A lot.

 

[BushHillSpurs]

I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that foreigners are offended by the English flag. I have never met any foreigners who are offended by the English flag. Its a myth thought up to blame yet another thing on those damn foreigners.

And even with the surefire existence of a few extremists who wouldn't like it (there's always nutters), this isn't the main consideration for the people who don't put up

You know the main reason people don't celebrate St Georges day? Because its fudging boring. Get people drinking and wearing hats and they'll be celebrating it all day long (though some others like spitshine may be whipping themselves to repent and reflect).

The flag has unfortunately been allowed to be commandeered by bigots like the EDL and BNP and so a lot of the population seem to be a bit ashamed to be seen with it.

And I've seen St Georges' flags in the South East of the country. A lot.

Or people that have joined the EDL / BNP are just sick of the flag not being seen or celebrated enough.

 

[Roy1983]

I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that foreigners are offended by the English flag. I have never met any foreigners who are offended by the English flag. Its a myth thought up to blame yet another thing on those damn foreigners.

And even with the surefire existence of a few extremists who wouldn't like it (there's always nutters), this isn't the main consideration for the people who don't put up

You know the main reason people don't celebrate St Georges day? Because its fudging boring. Get people drinking and wearing hats and they'll be celebrating it all day long (though some others like spitshine may be whipping themselves to repent and reflect).

The flag has unfortunately been allowed to be commandeered by bigots like the EDL and BNP and so a lot of the population seem to be a bit ashamed to be seen with it.

And I've seen St Georges' flags in the South East of the country. A lot.

No one should be ashamed of our flag.

Boring? In your opinion maybe but I'm immensely proud of it and the history behind it. I'm proud to be English and I have a flag of St George on the wall behind the counter at all times. My district manager doesn't even bother trying to discuss taking it down anymore.

Your right on one point though. The vast majority of foreigners AREN'T bothered by the flag.

 

[Roy1983]

Or people that have joined the EDL / BNP are just sick of the flag not being seen or celebrated enough.

Welcome back mate! Or burnt by scum that are living over here.