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Full backs - when are ours going to deliver?

I still cannot believe that after all this time walker is not imroving his crossing ability. his positional sense can be off at times but his one major weakness as an attacking full back is his lack of quality delivery into the box. If I was in his position i would be working on it all the time in training. Something tells me he surely must be??? but if so then why the real lack of improvement.

Rose also has a bit of a low rate of good crossing but he does occasionly get in some good ones. So i have more hope for him in regards to this aspect of his game than I currently do with Walker.
 
Sandman said:
I still cannot believe that after all this time walker is not imroving his crossing ability. his positional sense can be off at times but his one major weakness as an attacking full back is his lack of quality delivery into the box. If I was in his position i would be working on it all the time in training. Something tells me he surely must be??? but if so then why the real lack of improvement.

Rose also has a bit of a low rate of good crossing but he does occasionly get in some good ones. So i have more hope for him in regards to this aspect of his game than I currently do with Walker.
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I think there has been improvement in his crossing, passing and close control. It hasn't been as dramatic as we'd hope perhaps, but I would say he's almost certainly striking the ball a lot better than he did in his first full season for us.
 
i think our game plan has always been to hit it low and in front of the attackers

bale was the epitomy of this - having gained like 10 yards ahead of his marker, and with all the time in the world, chose to do that countless times.

during redknapps time our strikers would never seem to be able to reach that teasing cross. during AVB's time the box got so crowded that you'd hit a defender no matter how you shot/crossed it, so the option was always to pull it back to the arriving midfielder.

not sure what the game plan is right now, as our gameplan looks increasingly random to me, but I think we have successfully weaned out the crossing from both our fullbacks. the last one who was capable of putting one in was BAE, I've always wanted him back for that reason (the other being he could stick a leg in when needed without being caught :evil:)
 
Rose did quite well in this respect at times last night. The almost assist for Eriksen was quite good (the touch to control it and get inside his man was beautiful).
 
metalgear said:
i think our game plan has always been to hit it low and in front of the attackers

bale was the epitomy of this - having gained like 10 yards ahead of his marker, and with all the time in the world, chose to do that countless times.

during redknapps time our strikers would never seem to be able to reach that teasing cross. during AVB's time the box got so crowded that you'd hit a defender no matter how you shot/crossed it, so the option was always to pull it back to the arriving midfielder.

not sure what the game plan is right now, as our gameplan looks increasingly random to me, but I think we have successfully weaned out the crossing from both our fullbacks. the last one who was capable of putting one in was BAE, I've always wanted him back for that reason (the other being he could stick a leg in when needed without being caught :evil:)
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Everyone wants to put in those crosses in between the last defender and the goalkeeper. Doing so essentially means attacking on the break, having the skill and place to absolutely flat out skin a full back and create space where there shouldn't be any, or having the crossing ability of a superstar.
 
not everyone... some teams go for the low drive near post, or the reverse pass to an oncoming midfielder, or a high ball beyond the keeper to the far post.

it seems like we don't rehearse for variations, just keep trying to do the same thing
 
I think part of the problem is a lack of consistency.


Whilst I will admit walker has his failings, the player in front of him is constantly changing, and not just in personnel. One day it'll be a chalk on boots winger, the next it'll be a cut in and shoot inside forward. The partnership between walker and the man in from of him rarely has the time to develop before it's changed.

Case in point. Pienaar and baines. Now whilst baines is a very good left back, Pienaar isn't that great a player, yet the chemistry they have managed to develop makes them extremely dangerous.
 
metalgear said:
not everyone... some teams go for the low drive near post, or the reverse pass to an oncoming midfielder, or a high ball beyond the keeper to the far post.

it seems like we don't rehearse for variations, just keep trying to do the same thing
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If it's on most teams go for the ball in between defenders and attackers, or the cut back if there's a ton of space at the edge of the box. Both of those essentially require that you're attacking against teams that aren't organized.

Our problem has been breaking down stubborn teams imo.
 
Raziel said:
Well, he was on the PSG rumor list in January, and a couple of pundits had put him as the buy Moyes should be looking at for United.

City/Cheat$ki will buy the most expensive player in the world for a position, so not sure it's relevant, but who does the scum have as a RB? (seriously, don't know), is he really better than Walker?
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Sagna, who is better than Walker. Remove Kyle Walker's pace, would he honestly be playing for one of the top 6 clubs in the Premier League?
 
braineclipse said:
If it's on most teams go for the ball in between defenders and attackers, or the cut back if there's a ton of space at the edge of the box. Both of those essentially require that you're attacking against teams that aren't organized.

Our problem has been breaking down stubborn teams imo.
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... And it's because we don't train for set pieces in open play.

When Ade and defoe were playing and bale and BAE putting in those wonderful crosses from the left, we never had one striker near post the other far post waiting.

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metalgear said:
What kind of comparison is that? Take away Suarez's pace and I'd doubt he'll be troubling any defence in the epl.
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Have you seen Suarez play? He's probably one of the most intelligent players in world football. Honestly, does Walker's brain, decision making, crossing ability or positional sense suggest he's one of the best right backs in the league as some in this thread are claiming?
 
Agreed, Suarez is a lot more than a pace merchant. He has great footwork, vision and shooting accuracy. The guy can work off any part of the front line in a team.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Sagna, who is better than Walker. Remove Kyle Walker's pace, would he honestly be playing for one of the top 6 clubs in the Premier League?
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Sagna was better, but not sure about now. He's still better going forward, but defensively he's been shaky in recent seasons from what I've seen at least. I think Wenger might be looking for a replacement come the summer.

Pace is very important for a full back. I didn't like the Suarez comparison, but your question is like asking if Kaboul or Dawson would be playing for a top 6 club in the PL if they were the size of Chris Perry.

Walker has developed into a defensively very good full back. His positional errors are becoming few and far between, he rarely gets beaten defensively one on one and his pace lets him get super close to opponents without fear of getting done for pace and he's recovered to cover for our centre backs quite a bit.

Going forward he still has some way to go, but if nothing else at least he offers energy and pace down that side.
 
When I talked about delivering in the Thread title, I really had in mind primarily from an attacking perspective. Naught on is an old fashioned full back in the sense he is essentially a defender but Walker and Rose are both attacking wing back types. While they will therefore both obviously at times have positional and defenses lapses, this SHOULD be more than compensated by what they bring in an attacking sense.

Unfortunately, this season it isn't happening up front for either of them. They have both shown they are capable of a decent cross, my concern is as to why it isn't happening for us on anything like the frequecy we should expect from these types of players in the PL. Is it coaching, practice or the poor movement and positioning by our front men?
 
Pirate55 said:
When I talked about delivering in the Thread title, I really had in mind primarily from an attacking perspective. Naught on is an old fashioned full back in the sense he is essentially a defender but Walker and Rose are both attacking wing back types. While they will therefore both obviously at times have positional and defenses lapses, this SHOULD be more than compensated by what they bring in an attacking sense.

Unfortunately, this season it isn't happening up front for either of them. They have both shown they are capable of a decent cross, my concern is as to why it isn't happening for us on anything like the frequecy we should expect from these types of players in the PL. Is it coaching, practice or the poor movement and positioning by our front men?
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Walker is a lot better defensively than when attacking imo.

Loads of stamina and pace, but that's a very small part of being an attacking full back.
 
Kingdawson said:
Walker has been one of our most consistent performers this season.
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Agreed, his defending has come on well.

Shame about his attacking qualities, fortunately we have a winger ahead of him who we value for attacking qualities by the name of lenn... Oh, hang on..
 
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