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Europa League - Round of 32: Fiorentina (ITA)

Re: The Race for Europe/6th Place

Jordinho said:
The 2014/15 regulations are still the same and I haven't seen anything written about a change regarding the CL winner.
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The 2014/15 regulations contain the entry criteria for the 2014/15 European competitions (including that the EL titleholder gains entry to the group stage of the EL - which as we know is not the case for the 2015/16 competitions).

But from The Telegraph:
"... if an English club wins the Champions League or Europa League and finishes outside the top four of the Premier League, there will be five English teams in the former competition the following season."
"... in the highly unlikely event that one English team wins the Champions League, another wins the Europa League, and both finish outside the top four ... the fourth-placed Premier League team would again miss out, as would clubs in similar positions in Spain and Germany, who also have four Champions League spots by right."

The actual UEFA announcement was very brief and uninformative.
 
Re: The Race for Europe/6th Place

Odd thing about Man U not qualifying for Europe at all - it didn't get a mention on MotD and has not been touched on generally.

Almost as though there's a back door being opened for them as we speak.
 
Re: The Race for Europe/6th Place

UEFA Champions League place for the UEFA Europa League winners

The Executive Committee then discussed the 2015–18 cycle of the competitions and noted the proposals of the Club Competitions Committee (which met in London on the afternoon of 22 May), themselves based on intensive analysis by an internal working group.

In the UEFA Champions League, no major changes are envisaged for the new cycle because the competition is already an undeniable success. However, to increase e the prestige of the Europa League, the Executive Committee agreed that the competition winners should be awarded a place in at least the play-offs of the subsequent season’s Champions League. It also increased the maximum number of UEFA Champions League places to which a national association will be entitled from four to five, so that the UEFA Europa League winners will not replace a club that had qualified through its domestic league. This increase concerns only the top three national associations in UEFA’s rankings. Moreover, no association will be able to enter more than three teams for the UEFA Europa League, excluding any that may qualify through the UEFA fair play ranking system, as these places are not affected.

The UEFA Europa League winners will qualify for the UEFA Champions League from the start of the 2015-18 cycle, which means that the 2014/15 UEFA Europa League winners will qualify for the 2015/16 UEFA Champions League.

http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/Download/EuroExperience/uefaorg/Publications/01/96/59/24/1965924_DOWNLOAD.pdf

They don't really mention the CL winner.
 
Re: The Race for Europe/6th Place

It also increased the maximum number of UEFA Champions League places to which a national association will be entitled from four to five, so that the UEFA Europa League winners will not replace a club that had qualified through its domestic league. This increase concerns only the top three national associations.
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I think the first bit covers it, keyword is entitled. I think the second is just one of two examples.
 
Re: The Race for Europe/6th Place

Arsenal's win yesterday means Hull will enter in the 3rd qualifying round, while Tottenham enter at the playoff stage.

We are guaranteed to be seeded:

Code: 
Seeded teams                   coef.              
------------------------ --- ----------------

Olympique Lyon *3        Fra  97.300 
Internazionale           Ita  95.387 
Tottenham Hotspur        Eng  75.949 
PSV Eindhoven *3         Ned  64.862
Dinamo Kiev              Ukr  56.193
FC Twente Enschede       Ned  50.862 
Metalist Kharkiv         Ukr  45.693
Viktoria Plzen *3        Cze  40.870 
PAOK Thessaloniki        Gre  37.720 
Trabzonspor              Tur  31.340  

Unknown                        coef.
------------------------ --- ----------------
Borussia Mönchengladbach Ger  25.328
EL3 *3                   Esp  24.542 - 53.542
EL2                      Esp  24.542 - 71.042
Lokomotiv Moscow         Rus  20.899
Rapid Wien               Aut  19.185
FC Zürich                Sui  18.645
Nacional Funchal         Por  17.959
AS Saint-Étienne         Fra  12.800
FC Rostov                Rus   9.399
PEC Zwolle               Ned   8.862
KSC Lokeren              Bel   8.760
FC Midtjylland           Den   6.760
EL1                      Cyp   4.650 -  8.650

+ 25 teams from the 3rd qualifying round
+ 15 teams from the 3rd qualifying round of the Champions League

Since Sevilla won the EL, their final position in the Spanish league will impact where some teams enter.
 
Re: The Race for Europe/6th Place

Provisional seedings provided the highest ranked teams go through (@ means they've dropped down from the CL):

Code: 
Seeded teams                   coef.              Unseeded teams                 coef.
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Olympique Lyon *3        Fra  97.300              Feyenoord @3             Ned  13.362
Internazionale           Ita  95.387              Esbjerg fB **            Den  13.260
Tottenham Hotspur        Eng  75.949              AS Saint-Étienne         Fra  12.800
PSV Eindhoven *3         Ned  64.862              Rio Ave *3               Por  12.459
Villarreal               Esp  53.542              Dinamo Moscow *3         Rus  12.399
FC Twente Enschede       Ned  50.862              Zulte Waregem **         Bel  12.260
Metalist Kharkiv         Ukr  45.693              Rosenborg BK *           Nor  11.355
Viktoria Plzen *3        Cze  40.870              IF Elfsborg **           Swe  11.265
PAOK Thessaloniki        Gre  37.720              Omonia Nicosia **        Cyp  10.150
Club Brugge *3           Bel  32.260              Hajduk Split **          Cro   9.925
Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk @3 Ukr  32.193              Atromitos FC *3          Gre   9.720
Hapoel Tel-Aviv **       Isr  31.375              Grasshoppers Zürich @3   Sui   9.645
Trabzonspor              Tur  31.340              FK Krasnodar **          Rus   9.399
Panathinaikos @3         Gre  30.220              FK Rostov                Rus   9.399
Borussia Mönchengladbach Ger  25.328              Molde FK **              Nor   9.355
CFR Cluj **              Rom  25.451              Red Star Belgrade @3     Srb   9.325
Real Sociedad *3         Esp  24.542              FC Luzern **             Sui   9.145
Young Boys *3            Sui  24.145              CSKA Sofia **            Bul   9.125
Lokomotiv Moscow         Rus  20.899              EL-QR3 *3                      8.925 - 10.325
Rapid Wien               Aut  19.185              PEC Zwolle               Ned   8.862
FC Zürich                Sui  18.645              KSC Lokeren              Bel   8.760
Nacional Funchal         Por  17.959              Slovan Bratislava @3     Svk   8.700
FSV Mainz 05 *3          Ger  17.328              Apollon Limassol         Cyp   8.650
Lech Poznan **           Pol  17.275              FK Aktobe @3             Kaz   8.150
Hull City *3             Eng  16.949              FK Ventspils @3          Lat   7.750
Slovan Liberec **        Cze  16.870              AEL Limassol @3          Cyp   7.650
Maribor / Besiktas @3         16.200 - 34.340     Garabag Agdam @3         Azb   7.575
Chernomorets Odesa *3    Ukr  16.193              HJK Helsinki @3          Fin   7.435
Legia Warsaw @3          Pol  15.275              CL-QR3 @3                      6.975 - 10.325
Partizan Belgrade **     Srb  14.825              FC Midtjylland           Den   6.760
Torino *3                Ita  13.387              AaB Aalborg @3           Den   5.260

Code: 
Pot 1                          coef.              Pot 2                          coef.
------------------------ --- ----------------     ------------------------ --- ----------------
Sevilla (TH)             Esp  71.042              FC København @4          Den  45.260
Olympique Lyon *3        Fra  97.300              Viktoria Plzen *3        Cze  40.870
Internazionale *4        Ita  95.387              Standard Liège @4        Bel  38.260
Tottenham Hotspur *4     Eng  75.949              PAOK Thessaloniki *4     Gre  37.720
PSV Eindhoven *3         Ned  64.862              Besiktas @3/@4           Tur  34.340
Dinamo Kiev              Ukr  56.193              VfL Wolfsburg            Ger  32.328
Athletic Bilbao @4       Esp  54.542              Club Brugge *3           Bel  32.260
Villarreal *4            Esp  53.542              Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk @3 Ukr  32.193
FC Twente Enschede *4    Ned  50.862              Hapoel Tel-Aviv **       Isr  31.375
Fiorentina               Ita  49.387              Trabzonspor *4           Tur  31.340
Metalist Kharkiv *4      Ukr  45.693              Panathinaikos @3         Gre  30.220
Lille OSC @4             Fra  45.300              Sparta Praha / APOEL @4       28.870 - 37.650

Pot 3                          coef.              Pot 4                          coef.
------------------------ --- ----------------     ------------------------ --- ----------------
CFR Cluj **              Rom  25.451              FSV Mainz 05 *3          Ger  17.328
Bor. Mönchengladbach *4  Ger  25.328              Lech Poznan **           Pol  17.275
Everton                  Eng  24.949              Sheriff Tiraspol @4      Mol  17.075
Real Sociedad *3         Esp  24.542              Hull City *3             Eng  16.949
Young Boys *3            Sui  24.145              Slovan Liberec **        Cze  16.870
Dinamo Zagreb @4         Cro  23.925              NK Maribor @3/@4         Slo  16.200
Lokomotiv Moscow *4      Rus  20.899              Chernomorets Odesa *3    Ukr  16.193
Rapid Wien *4            Aut  19.185              Estoril Praia            Por  15.459
FC Zürich *4             Sui  18.645              Legia Warsaw @3          Pol  15.275
Ludogorets Razgrad @4    Bul  18.125              Partizan Belgrade **     Srb  14.825
Nacional Funchal *4      Por  17.959              Torino *3                Ita  13.387
Maccabi Tel-Aviv @4      Isr  17.875              En Avant Guingamp        Fra  12.800
 
Re: The Race for Europe/6th Place

I'm old shcool, and there are a few 'blasts from the past' I wouldnt mind us drawing in the 4th Qual rd.
St Etienne
Hajduk Split
Red Star Belgrade, but maybe not Feyenoord though
 
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Some nasty ones in Pot 3 which could cause an upset. We have a mightily impressive co-efficient.
 
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Some good names in there, like the look of some possible groups we could be matched up with.

HJK or Rosenborg in the play off would be nice, followed by:

Challenging Group: Spurs, Wolfsburg, Real Sociedad, Torino

Moderate Group: Spurs, Standard Liege, Lokomotiv Moscow, Partizan Belgrade

Easy (ish) group: Spurs, Hapoel Tel-Aviv, Rapid Vienna, Estoril

Top group would be fantastic in terms of prestige of teams although I don't know that we could get away with playing a mix of younger players and still qualify.
 
Re: The Race for Europe/6th Place

Cochise said:
Some nasty ones in Pot 3 which could cause an upset. We have a mightily impressive co-efficient.
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consistent appearances and runs over the last 7 or so years, it will help if/when we get in CL again
 
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Saw an article saying Spurs will ask him to change his attitude of the Europa League being an unattractive competition but surely he'll realise it's worth playing in just for a chance at getting a Champions League place?
 
Re: The Race for Europe/6th Place

Craig_J said:
Saw an article saying Spurs will ask him to change his attitude of the Europa League being an unattractive competition but surely he'll realise it's worth playing in just for a chance at getting a Champions League place?
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I think much was made of it with Southampton, but the truth is, they had neither the squad depth to cope with it, or quality to win it, much easier PR to the fans to dismiss the competition than admit that.

Based on current EPL dynamics, it's probably sounder strategy for Spurs to settle for 6th/7th and go all out to win Europa as the CL entry vehicle.
 
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I would favour leaving at home the 11 who are starting on Sunday for each Europa League away match the Thursday beforehand. Not bringing them and having them on the bench, but leaving them in London. The long away trips to Eastern Europe crippled us last year.
 
Re: The Race for Europe/6th Place

Raziel said:
Based on current EPL dynamics, it's probably sounder strategy for Spurs to settle for 6th/7th and go all out to win Europa as the CL entry vehicle.
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I'm not sure that is true. Based on last season's standings we need to have a good season, a bit of luck and for two clubs that finished above us to have a wobble. I do not think that is beyond the realms of possibility.

Winning a cup is always more difficult to predict because it comes down to one off games and random events frequently decide one off games.
 
Re: The Race for Europe/6th Place

The Journeyman said:
I would favour leaving at home the 11 who are starting on Sunday for each Europa League away match the Thursday beforehand. Not bringing them and having them on the bench, but leaving them in London. The long away trips to Eastern Europe crippled us last year.
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Agreed. We have the depth to be able to do that
 
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