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Eric Dier

Bedfordspurs said:
Yep
He didn’t duck though
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He moved out of the way of the ball - if you want to be anal about how that's described is up to you

And @harr1984 i don't think anyone is blaming him for the goal as such, but any time you concede a goal there will always be several instances where you could have prevented it - not moving out of the way when a shot is heading towards you is one of those. I don't doubt that it will have been pointed out at Hotspur Way when the game was analysed.
 
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billyiddo said:
He moved out of the way of the ball - if you want to be anal about how that's described is up to you

And @harr1984 i don't think anyone is blaming him for the goal as such, but any time you concede a goal there will always be several instances where you could have prevented it - not moving out of the way when a shot is heading towards you is one of those. I don't doubt that it will have been pointed out at Hotspur Way when the game was analysed.
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I’ve just rewatched it
He is actually moving towards where he thinks the balls going bug it’s spinning away from him as it’s curving the other way
He actually moves his head to his right which is where a straight shot would go
Prime have a great reverse angle of it
 
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billyiddo said:
I watched the game on Prime and the angle from the goal line is the one I'm referencing
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Where he moves his whole body to the right and then his head but the ball is spinning to his left as it curls?
i mean he abs no way of knowing the ball is curling abs how fast it’s going but he can see that if it stays straight it’s hitting his head where he has moved it
Of all the players for people to say he is ducking the ball he is the last one in our team who does that. I’ve only seen one player do that in some time and that was a while back
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Where he moves his whole body to the right and then his head but the ball is spinning to his left as it curls?
i mean he abs no way of knowing the ball is curling abs how fast it’s going but he can see that if it stays straight it’s hitting his head where he has moved it
Of all the players for people to say he is ducking the ball he is the last one in our team who does that. I’ve only seen one player do that in some time and that was a while back
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The one that showed him moving his head out of the way of the ball.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Possibly hit him
Of course he would have had to expect the shot coming
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Bedfordspurs said:
I’ve just rewatched it
He is actually moving towards where he thinks the balls going bug it’s spinning away from him as it’s curving the other way
He actually moves his head to his right which is where a straight shot would go
Prime have a great reverse angle of it
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So one moment if he even expected the shot is up for discussion. Next moment not only did he expect the shot. He had time to evaluate the trajectory of the ball and expertly move his head to what he saw as the point where the ball wash moving.

What's next?
 
billyiddo said:
The one that showed him moving his head out of the way of the ball.
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I’ve just watch it again and it shows him trying to head the ball where he thinks it’s going. The straight line shot. He literally moves his head when the ball is coming to head it
I had a great paused angle from the front that looked like he was ducking it and I thought maybe you were right but the next angle shaped him try to head the ball. If he was ducking his head would go right not left surely
 
Hey mate you disagree that's fine - i know what i saw and it doesn't involve me guessing where Dier thought the ball was going
 
braineclipse said:
So one moment if he even expected the shot is up for discussion. Next moment not only did he expect the shot. He had time to evaluate the trajectory of the ball and expertly move his head to what he saw as the point where the ball wash moving.

What's next?
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Yeah go and watch it again
In the 0.6 seconds it took for the ball to go in he stepped to his right which is the straight line for the shot and moved his head to “head the ball” but the spin of the ball (something he wouldn’t know that quick, takes sit away from him. He even closed his eyes to take the hit from the front angle.
 
This is laughable - I'm not guessing anything you loon I'm stating what i see which is Dier move out of the path of the ball
 
billyiddo said:
This is laughable - I'm not guessing anything you loon I'm stating what i see which is Dier move out of the path of the ball
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And I’m stating that he is moving in the path of the shot if it’s hit straight. He even closes his eyes as he is expecting it to hit his head
Who moves out the way and then closes their eyes?
How would he know it’s spinning in an arc away from the guy kicking it when he is in front of it
 
harr1984 said:
I’ve been critical of Dier for certain things in the past, but one area not of concern is him putting his body on the line - I can’t think of a defender of ours who consistently has blocked more shots than him. There is some weird obsession on here that every goal has to be pinpointed on someone, it really is reaching to blame Dier for this one….
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Sense at last. Thank you.
 
Almost every goal can be prevented. If anything Dier should have charged out earlier towards the ball to narrow the angle but there are risks there too.

Blame goes to outfield players for not covering that zone. We don't see our players getting that type of space. And we have many players who can strike from that range.

I think our outfield players were confused, didn't know whether to defend a corner or throw in.

Questions around who organises the defence in such situations. Keepers and CBs should be best placed to remind players of training instructions, unattended risks etc.

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Bedfordspurs said:
Yeah go and watch it again
In the 0.6 seconds it took for the ball to go in he stepped to his right which is the straight line for the shot and moved his head to “head the ball” but the spin of the ball (something he wouldn’t know that quick, takes sit away from him. He even closed his eyes to take the hit from the front angle.
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See it very differently to you. I don't think he's trying to head the ball at all.

He probably closes his eyes for the same reason he turns his side. There's a fierce shot coming more or less in his direction.

More or less the same movement he does on the later shot. Turning his side instead of standing wide.

For me this is not the way to try to block a shot. If it is to others, different opinions I guess.
 
As ever, things have got weird in the Eric Dier thread. What a shock.

Is it possible that Ward-Prowse simply hit an excellent shot that few players could prevent? Again, Dele is a whisker from closing it down. Blaming Dier (who IMO is looking to not get a deflection) is as asinine as blaming Davies for watching the oncoming shot and not stepping into it's path. If you REALLY want to blame somebody (not you, if 'one' really wants to blame somebody) then Winks is the man who could've got closer to WP, but honestly, I cannot believe people are looking to apportion blame for that strike, especially given the real-time speed of the move/moments before the goal.
 
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thfcsteff said:
As ever, things have got weird in the Eric Dier thread. What a shock.

Is it possible that Ward-Prowse simply hit an excellent shot that few players could prevent? Again, Dele is a whisker from closing it down. Blaming Dier (who IMO is looking to not get a deflection) is as asinine as blaming Davies for watching the oncoming shot and not stepping into it's path. If you REALLY want to blame somebody (not you, if 'one' really wants to blame somebody) then Winks is the man who could've got closer to WP, but honestly, I cannot believe people are looking to apportion blame for that strike, especially given the real-time speed of the move/moments before the goal.
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I'm only really surprised that it isn't dele that is taking the flak.
He could have challenged, threw himself at it, bbut would most likely have given away a penalty.
In all honesty most times you'd be quite happy letting him hit that, 9 out of 10 thats a wild slice. There's probably more chance of someone throwing themselves in front of it and a wicked deflection taking it past hugo.
The goal summed up tbe game, lots of small but meaningful things went against us.
 
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