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DubSpur said:
Think that says more about Lloris mentality than anything about Levy's.
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I played football at a high level from a young age, and through sheer hard work, I built myself into one of the best keepers in the world, captaining my national team to World Cup glory. With my club, we got to the final of the biggest prize in football, but then my chairman gave me an inappropriate watch, and I thought "ah fudge it".
Or, "look Lloris, your book is going to be great, but we need to add some controversy to sell it, is there something we can spin?"
 
Lemonade Money said:
I played football at a high level from a young age, and through sheer hard work, I built myself into one of the best keepers in the world, captaining my national team to World Cup glory. With my club, we got to the final of the biggest prize in football, but then my chairman gave me an inappropriate watch, and I thought "ah fudge it".
Or, "look Lloris, your book is going to be great, but we need to add some controversy to sell it, is there something we can spin?"
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We had cause to question his mentality many times.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I suppose it depends where you draw the line to be categorized 'pro Levy'. Many are probably neutral, ambivalent...which is of course not a space you're allowed to inhabit on Twitter etc, there's no venn diagram crossover in that world.
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Grays_1890 said:
I think people confuse not aimlessly screaming into the abyss with being Pro Levy

If the last week is anything to go by, people get so wrapped up in trying to prove how Levy out they are that is bordering embarrassing what they put out. Certified men children
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billyiddo said:
From my perspective i just see a lot of (imv) shakey logic and misguided criticism used in a lot of arguments against Levy and so will argue against it as and when I can be bothered. I don't actually consider myself 'Pro Levy', which will probably make a few people laugh, but i wouldn't give him a seconds thought if he wasn't brought up as line of debate so often.
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Very good posts and I'm in full agreement.

Whenever Levy leaves the club I will have some gratitude for the good things he's done with the club and probably some frustration with some of the things he's imo done wrong.

I guess I'm one of the more vocal "pro Levy" people on this board, but don't think of myself as a particularly pro Levy person. We've had players now long gone I still have real affinity for, memories, games, a lot of stuff within the club with a lot of positive feelings to be had. Levy isn't there for me.

I'm probably one of the biggest Romero "fans" on here too, would in some ways be gutted if he leaves, but ultimately if we get on someone better I'll be all for replacing him. But I have some real and positive feelings for him. Levy - meh. Some gratitude, some appreciation, some frustration, mixed bag really. If he could be replaced by someone I'm convinced would be better for the club I'd be all for it and it wouldn't even be an emotional thing. I think he's good, I think he's better than most on the whole. When he's replaced at some point I hope those more critical of him are right about how much better just about anyone would be are proven utterly right.

But I'm not for becoming a sports washing project.
 
Lemonade Money said:
Same with Levy, no ones perfect, but Lloris is a really good keeper, and Levy is a really good chairman. And an inappropriate watch means fudge all.
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It's a really good book. It's what he doesn't write explicitly that is the most interesting. I finished the book understanding more about Levy than I ever knew. Even before the book, I never doubted that Hugo was one of the few in our pack that had a total winning mentality. That's why he kept that jersey way after his body allowed him. Terrible call by Conte as well retaining him and giving him the contract extension. He crossed that white line with the best attitude for an entire Spurs career. More than our 2 golden boys up front ever did when the going got tough. Their soft underbellies were clearly on parade at times.

The watch thing is an irrelevance. Levy encouraging Hugo to say his goodbyes to the home crowd was way worse. It was embarrassing for our chairman not even acknowledging that Hugo was still under contract for another year. The Lyon exchange with JM Aulas also pained Levy in a bad light. He's never really got over that one. He was just being a dingdong and had it been down to him would have lost that deal. 2 grown ups sorted it out in the end for Levy.
 
Muttley said:
It's a really good book. It's what he doesn't write explicitly that is the most interesting. I finished the book understanding more about Levy than I ever knew. Even before the book, I never doubted that Hugo was one of the few in our pack that had a total winning mentality. That's why he kept that jersey way after his body allowed him. Terrible call by Conte as well retaining him and giving him the contract extension. He crossed that white line with the best attitude for an entire Spurs career. More than our 2 golden boys up front ever did when the going got tough. Their soft underbellies were clearly on parade at times.

The watch thing is an irrelevance. Levy encouraging Hugo to say his goodbyes to the home crowd was way worse. It was embarrassing for our chairman not even acknowledging that Hugo was still under contract for another year. The Lyon exchange with JM Aulas also pained Levy in a bad light. He's never really got over that one. He was just being a dingdong and had it been down to him would have lost that deal. 2 grown ups sorted it out in the end for Levy.
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I never saw that winning mentality from Lloris, there was no fight or leadership from him. Easy to put into a book, but never did it where it mattered, on the pitch.

Lloris came out and said he wanted a new challenge and wanted to leave with still a year on his contract. With Levy willing to let him go I'm sure everyone thought he would be gone in the summer (Lloris turned down options to move), so really don't see the issue with giving Lloris the opportunity to say goodbye.
 
DubSpur said:
I never saw that winning mentality from Lloris, there was no fight or leadership from him. Easy to put into a book, but never did it where it mattered, on the pitch.

Lloris came out and said he wanted a new challenge and wanted to leave with still a year on his contract. With Levy willing to let him go I'm sure everyone thought he would be gone in the summer (Lloris turned down options to move), so really don't see the issue with giving Lloris the opportunity to say goodbye.
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I have a feeling your sequence is out there. Levy made his faux pas in Apr/May 23. That was before the transfer window opened where no mutually acceptable offers were found all summer. That was all through to deadline day where he was out to dinner with his family where we were still getting nonsense from SSN about him going to Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Milan.

Hugo was incredibly hurt and suffered mental health issues through Ange's first season. The club thought they could coerce him out the door and ended up paying the same amount as if they had been mature about the situation. That is so Levy in the way he run football ops. More spiting of the face by our chairman. A real naivety even after 20 years.

And yes, Lloris stood up to be counted many, many times. It's a shame you couldn't see what a winner we had with prime Hugo. The same reason he wore the armband for the world cup winners when they had superstars everywhere. The French manager knew who the winner and the leader in his pack was.

It's also a massive shame that Conte insisted on Hugo getting that last contract and overruled Paratici. That triggered all these events. Totally avoidable, but we are Spurs after all.
 
Muttley said:
I have a feeling your sequence is out there. Levy made his faux pas in Apr/May 23. That was before the transfer window opened where no mutually acceptable offers were found all summer. That was all through to deadline day where he was out to dinner with his family where we were still getting nonsense from SSN about him going to Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Milan.

Hugo was incredibly hurt and suffered mental health issues through Ange's first season. The club thought they could coerce him out the door and ended up paying the same amount as if they had been mature about the situation. That is so Levy in the way he run football ops. More spiting of the face by our chairman. A real naivety even after 20 years.

And yes, Lloris stood up to be counted many, many times. It's a shame you couldn't see what a winner we had with prime Hugo. The same reason he wore the armband for the world cup winners when they had superstars everywhere. The French manager knew who the winner and the leader in his pack was.

It's also a massive shame that Conte insisted on Hugo getting that last contract and overruled Paratici. That triggered all these events. Totally avoidable, but we are Spurs after all.
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The end of that season he said he wanted to leave. He was surplus to requirements, said he wanted to leave, and a big earner, of course they wanted him out the door, like any club would. I'd be more concerned it we hadn't tried to move him on and he was given options to move.

When Lloris came first of all he was brave etc, but as time went on he became cowardly, he never left his line, poor on crosses, and spent half his time falling backwards into the net. It looked like he was afraid to get hurt. That's not a winners mentality.

As for the French team, it was full of winners and leaders. They'd have won that world cup with any half decent keeper in goal. Lloris even managed to mess up in that final but because the French team was so good it didn't matter and was forgotten about.

Don't get me wrong, he was a top keeper for the first 7 or 8 years with us, the best we've had since Jennings and Clemence. But after that, maybe to do with the injury he had, he changed and as I said became cowardly. I don't get how you think Lloris has a winning mentality but that Kane doesn't.
 
DubSpur said:
The end of that season he said he wanted to leave. He was surplus to requirements, said he wanted to leave, and a big earner, of course they wanted him out the door, like any club would. I'd be more concerned it we hadn't tried to move him on and he was given options to move.

When Lloris came first of all he was brave etc, but as time went on he became cowardly, he never left his line, poor on crosses, and spent half his time falling backwards into the net. It looked like he was afraid to get hurt. That's not a winners mentality.

As for the French team, it was full of winners and leaders. They'd have won that world cup with any half decent keeper in goal. Lloris even managed to mess up in that final but because the French team was so good it didn't matter and was forgotten about.

Don't get me wrong, he was a top keeper for the first 7 or 8 years with us, the best we've had since Jennings and Clemence. But after that, maybe to do with the injury he had, he changed and as I said became cowardly. I don't get how you think Lloris has a winning mentality but that Kane doesn't.
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These two views, i.e. how we treated Hugo and the watch thing are typical Spurs fans grabbing any stick/narrative regardless of how stupid

- Hugo want to leave, the issue was, he didn't like the offers that came in for him, nothing to do with the club, that led to an uncomfortable period where he was on books but not being considered (not a new thing in football), and to my understanding the club let him go early off contract so he could take the offer he eventually did.
- The watch thing? a watch sponsor wanted to be included in the CL final, assuming (on the timing as well) their expectation was the players would wear it at final (the whole PR point of sponsoring). No big loser conspiracy ..

People way overplay the whole winner mentality brick, you don't get to the PL/CL being a loser (manager or player), and yes, on any given day, nerves or the occasion may get to a certain player but lets be clear
- Klopp lost his first 6 finals, guess he was a loser? oh, no, then he won, so now he's a winner?
- Amorim was a winner, but is now a loser
- Wenger was a winner? then he became a loser?
- If Pep doesn't win anything again, he's a loser?

fudging Roy Keane thinks he'd make this United team better? with what? shouting at people, this isn't 1990.
 
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