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ENIC

Jurgen the German said:
Why focus on the 70 years before? ENIC came in after a sustained period (50 years) where we won trophies on a fairly regular basis, maybe not as frequently as the top clubs, but a substantial amount of trophies, enough to put us in the top 6/7 of most successful clubs in terms of honours. Those other clubs have deeper resources but they also take the cups more seriously than we do. Liverpool had to choose between a league cup semi final and an Fa cup 4th round. A potential final trumps a 4th round tie. You can’t play your strongest team in every single match.

We got to the CL final in spite of not signing anyone for 18 months and because we had a brilliant manager (at the time). We were also very lucky.
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We were so lucky. The odds that we would sign Llorente on a free from Swanseas on a free and he would produce the goods for would have been extremely low

Looking back if we had more investment would we have achieved that? Who knows. It could be if we had made a multi million pound signing he would not have been the man in that moment

But we eventually in the CL final our luck ran out. We’d had Harry injured and returning after months out but could not afford to drop Harry Kane. Which is perfectly understandable and I think the exact right choice was to play him.

But once it became obvious he was not in the game we had nothing to lose to offer

I do think as well timing on a football front is not levys strong suit

He always said we couldn’t financially compete because we didn’t have the resources of other clubs

Once Povh said we needed a rebuild.. having only spent pennies and having just moved stadium - Levy should have backed him.

Instead he did not - then after Saudi Sportswashing Machine takeover handed Conte a £150m investment from out of nowhere. Around half of which was saprent on Richaissason (I do love Richy a long but it was clear he was never at a standard demanding that kind of fee).

Levy failed to seize the day after a couple of league title pushes, a champions league final appearance

That is why we are not in the champions league any longer. He felt we had enough to just clinch top 4. But the world moved on and left us behind
 
I still can't believe we made it to a CL final. You would never of thought that was possible before ENIC took over, and we managed it in spite of Levy's meddling and penny pinching.
 
Jurgen the German said:
The CL qualifications were good I agree, it’s not the same as a trophy though. We should be looking to get CL and win things. No reason why we shouldn’t aim for that.
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We absolutely should, they should both achievable. I would say the reason we are now able to think like that is in some part for the strides taken as as a club since 2000, thats the positive I see from Enics time, whilst also believing when it comes to pots and some of the footballing side, we have underachieved.
 
Grays_1890 said:
We absolutely should, they should both achievable. I would say the reason we are now able to think like that is in some part for the strides taken as as a club since 2000, thats the positive I see from Enics time, whilst also believing when it comes to pots and some of the footballing side, we have underachieved.
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I think we have underachieved at times too, but I think it’s been more on the players and the coaching than the ownership.
 
Baleforce said:
I think we have underachieved at times too, but I think it’s been more on the players and the coaching than the ownership.
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Bar the FA Cup (Which might be a big BAR haha) the 90s were a sh1tshow, and the end of the 80s not much better with the financials all over the shop. Its not a defence of ENIC to say that in my 36 years of consciously supporting this club that the last 24 years was better than the 12 before. Week in week out the quality has been at times a far higher standard, even being in the CL was a pipe dream in the 90s and we were in it so often people started to say "I am bored of it". Thats not me saying Enic are the best coming since sliced toast, its just a reality of the Spurs landscape. As I say if people wanna compare us to Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and City as they do often, that in itself suggests a level of progress because I certainly was not stood on the terrace at Coventry thinking they were direct rivals.

Before anyone starts with the "this is the most Enic brainwashed forum" crap, read whats actually being said. I think Levys race is run as Chairman because the footballing side does seem stale, but I won't lie and say there has not been progress to just play up to the blind narrative being suggested by some
 
Jurgen the German said:
Why is it embarrassing Glenda? As long as the protests are peaceful and non-violent I don’t see the problem.
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Yes that is fair enough. I guess I’m someone who doesn’t really feel comfortable with confrontation generally. But I think there have been plenty of times in our recent past where protesting would have been a reasonable reaction to what was happening with the club but right now it seems it is being led by our league position and little else. Leaving that aside (which I appreciate isn’t that easy as it’s part of the whole picture), I think we are in the best situation we have been in for a good while. Our finances are robust; we are generating additional revenues that support the team; we finally seem to have a footballing-oversight structure in place; we have data driven decision making; we are spending money on players; we are at last embarking on the real rebuild that fans have been calling for since Poch was here. There have been so many errors made by the club (Levy) over the past few years - although I can see the reasoning that led to some of these - but just when we seem to be putting many things right (and only time will tell if it works), we have fans who want to choose now of all times to try to bring the walls down and who want to do it in a glare of publicity. I don’t like our club being dragged through the mud by a section of our fan base when I think we are actually, finally, turning a corner.
And to be clear, whilst I may not be Levy Out, I am not particularly Levy In either. If a better ownership solution presents itself I am all for it.
But back to the original point - yes of course fans have the right to peacefully protest, but I personally think it makes things seem
Far worse than they are and garners the wrong kind of publicity. Just my opinion at the end of the day.
 
Grays_1890 said:
I'm cool with a well run protest when it's not overtaken by mindless anti semitic rhetoric.

Today's protest looked to have been the best of the lot and well organised, fair play to them, ways supported it if done well.

At least they got their balloons in this time
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Shame about the scarf.......

I assume they weren't singing...

'and if you know your history ...'

They certainly don't..... embarrassing
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Baleforce said:
I think we have underachieved at times too, but I think it’s been more on the players and the coaching than the ownership.
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The winning culture needs come from the top as well as from the manager, players etc. if we don’t get over the line then Levy is partly responsible just as he would be if we were to win things. I don’t feel Levy breeds a winning environment or culture, look at the story Lloris came out with re Levy giving the players watches for getting to the CL final. I don’t think the other big 6 clubs would be content with getting to a final.
 
Jurgen the German said:
The winning culture needs come from the top as well as from the manager, players etc. if we don’t get over the line then Levy is partly responsible just as he would be if we were to win things. I don’t feel Levy breeds a winning environment or culture, look at the story Lloris came out with re Levy giving the players watches for getting to the CL final. I don’t think the other big 6 clubs would be content with getting to a final.
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Think that says more about Lloris mentality than anything about Levy's.
 
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