Superhudd
Simon Davies
There is now a new U-21 league that has been set up by the Premier League.. We are not part of it.
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There is now a new U-21 league that has been set up by the Premier League.. We are not part of it.
.........which is why we were able to sign Lamela.
But of the truly world class players currently playing in Serie A, which of them would choose Spurs ahead of other, richer and more attractive suitors if he was allowed to leave his current club? There's the rub.
Superhudd
Simon Davies
I think we could get anyone we set out to get IMO, court them long term.. (Baldini's job) Start now the shammoussing, make the player feel special, wanted. Sell London, sell Tottenham, sell the new stadium.. be part of the Premier League. Loads of ways. Go get Higuain, Tevez and let the Argentian's really invade.
No wonder the likes of Adebayor is still here.
No wonder the likes of Adebayor is still here.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Something to consider here, as I alluded to in my earlier post, is the fact that it is 'net' salaries that are often reported on the continent as opposed to gross salaries like we report here.
I'm not sure that either of those players qualifies as truly world class. Certainly, I'd rate a motivated Adebayor above Higuain.
Tevez is close to world class but I can't think of a good reason why he would leave Juve to join Spurs - unless neither Juve nor any other other top CL club wanted him. Besides which, he's 30 years old and consistently caused trouble at his clubs during his time in England.
1. In a continually rising market, anybody can make money. i.e. average player's price is more now than 5 years ago. No luck in that! Football in this way is rather unusual, transfer fees are growing well above inflation and have for many decades. One great thing about Levy is that he knows the market is like that and can sign a player, the player does nothing for us but to demonstrates that they aren't up to premier league standard and then Levy can then sell them on at a profit to a newly promoted or 2nd tier club. This is a rather more typical and bland representation of our transfer policy than we would like to think however perhaps 60% of our signings end up this way.
2. By the way, you have loosened the criteria from world class players to also include good players, which or course there are more of in all generations. For example Carrick, Lennon, Walker, Lloris and Eriksen are not equal to Bale, Modric, Gazza, Hoddle or Waddle. We could perform the same analysis with these type of players included and would be able to make greater assertions as there would be more data. I would say that a historical analysis might well back-up my assertion that producing world class players is more of a game of chance i.e. they are more unique (& less influenced by policies and systems) but producing good players may be possible. In fact I think I have read an analysis like this once before, I will try to find it and add a link later on.
Finally, I am not saying any of the above post in absolute terms, only that it COULD only be due to only luck. If we now enter a golden era of producing world class players (2-3) before 2018 then there is something more than luck involved. However there is no statistical precedent for this nor can we say that currently that the policy is any better now than in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s and 2000s. In summary, we might easily be waiting for another generation before we see another world class player at the lane in a white shirt, hence we might have to cut the corner and sign one.
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Luka Modric
Or.... due to the fact that such a player would probably have other more attractive suitors... We could sign a few players with the potential to become World class and then help them develop by giving them game time and then hoping that one or two of those players turn into World class players (like we did with Modric and Bale for example).
But in the context of blowing our budget on a world class superstar - which is what this tangent of the thread is about - it doesn't make sense to spend £30m + on a player who would be closing in on 31 by the earliest date that we could sign him. Likewise the signing of Soldado. £26m for a 28 year old was the only departure from Levy's transfer policy that most of us can think of. Besides which, as I said, I can't think of any good reason why Tevez would leave Juve for Spurs.
As to Higuain v Adebayor, it's a matter of opinion. Higuain is certainly more consistent and is a better out and out goalscorer. But when fully motivated, Adebayor can be a nightmare for defenders in a way that Higuain couldn't hope to emulate. And he offers more to his team's all round play.
Yes we are. You can even watch one of our games live on BT next month.
Bullet
Andy Thompson
Yes but what about right now, in the next window?
We finally have 2 good players in every position, so should we buy 4 more good players or one brilliant player?
Ben Davies just produced a glorious cross for Bale to score, but that was spoiled by an advert with Giroud covered in fake tan poncing about half naked and "The Ox" shouting Cowabunga at me. Twits.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I guess Torres joined AC Milan too late to included. His wages would dwarf all on that list.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Depends what the list means.
If it's only wages paid by Italian clubs then maybe not, I wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea were still paying a hefty chunk of Torres' wages.
milo
Jack L. Jones
My understanding was that Milan were picking up all of his wages but there was no fee for the two year loan. As he had only two years on his Chelsea contract, it is effectively a free transfer.
He was on £175k a week at Chelsea which is just over just over £9m a year.
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Luka Modric
As I said above - those wages will be 'net'. So you need to pretty much double them to find what we would have to pay the player to give them parity.
Superhudd
Simon Davies
Well. There is something I have learned, I didn't think he signed up for it. Thanks for the heads up, will go to a few of them
EDIT - My bad its the new one which includes European teams that we are not in. Cross wires by me.
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Superhudd
Simon Davies
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
OK.... So you tell me - are they gross or net?!?
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Luka Modric
Yes they are net.... Although I think Pogba's is very wrong and he earns a lot less than 4m euros a year (more like about a quarter of that apparently).
What all this means is that the real superstar top earners in Italy are already above our pay scale, but we can afford those who are a level behind the top earners if we make them our top paid player.
With Italy talking of implementing new rules about having to play a certain number of Italian players (4 from next season and then 5 after that) it could well mean that there will be some decent pickings available from Italy in the coming season.... (although I'm not sure how Italy will get away with stipulating the number of Italians who have to play what with EU rules etc?)