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Mauricio Taricco
Re: Daniel Levy isn't stupid...
That sums it up unfortunately
That sums it up unfortunately
SUIYHA
Scott Parker
Re: Daniel Levy isn't stupid...
Chadli scores that absolute sitter yesterday and we would now be in 5th place, ahead of Arsenal, Man Utd and Liverpool with everyone ****ing over what a great job Poch is doing.
Please. Have some ****ing perspective on things.
We took just one point off the top 4 last season, we've already matched that now. We scored only two goals against them all year last season including in the cups, we've already matched that this season. If you can't see the difference between open games against City and Liverpool in which we created chances but lost out to individual mistakes and poor refereeing decisions, compared with the equivalent of a heavyweight boxer pounding a disabled child's corpse into the ground like last season's performances were, then I cannot convince you of anything.
Do people really think there's a chance we might finish below teams like West Ham, Swansea and Hull? I mean really? Over a 38 game season, when cup games and injuries come into play? Southampton have done brilliantly - no doubt, but they have only equalled the start that Paul Jewell's Wigan made in 2005, and are doing worse than Phil Brown's Hull were doing at this stage in 2008, just before they finished 17th. To hear Koeman saying that they have a chance of finishing above Arsenal or Liverpool today is really quite funny. If they're so good and we're so bad, how did we manage to deservedly beat them only a few weeks ago?
Levy is not stupid. He will have noticed that, instead of every player bar Bale under AVB and bar Adebayor under Sherwood, some of our players actually appear to be playing better than the previous year - with Rose, Chadli and Mason the obvious success stories. He will also have noticed that last season, the only chances we were creating even against some of the worst teams in the league were 30 yard Townsend pot shots because we had a complete lack of technical skill and movement in the final third, and because AVB and Sherwood were both really poor coaches. He will also have noticed that under Poch, we are moving the ball around quicker and creating far more clear goalscoring opportunities per game than before. Because whilst some of you last season expected those scrappy 1-0 wins to suddenly turn into us thrashing the smaller teams when all the new players "clicked", the smarter people amongst the fan base could see that we had nothing about us, and once the dodgy penalties that Soldado scored stopped getting awarded our way, there were some heavy defeats coming. Whereas now, given the number of proper chances we actually create every game, I think it's actually reasonable to expect that, if we carry on creating chances like this, eventually we're going to start battering teams. Villa just lost to QPR, their fans will expect them to come out and attack us at home, that would be a good place to start.
It's been said before, but Rodgers had the worst start a Liverpool manager has ever had, and oversaw their worst start to a season since 1911. Reason being? He was taking time to implement a new passing philosophy. It wasn't until the players got the hang of it and he'd added Sturrige and Coutinho that it all really clicked. Pellegrini also lost to Cardiff, Villa and Sunderland in his first few games at City. Van Gaal took five points from a start that featured games against Swansea, Burnley, Sunderland, QPR and Leicester, as well as losing 4-0 to MK Dons. That doesn't mean that starting badly is "acceptable", but it's nothing to panic about if there's clear progress being made. And Levy will have noticed that we're playing better football now than any time in the previous two seasons, bar when Bale had the ball.
Chadli scores that absolute sitter yesterday and we would now be in 5th place, ahead of Arsenal, Man Utd and Liverpool with everyone ****ing over what a great job Poch is doing.
Please. Have some ****ing perspective on things.
We took just one point off the top 4 last season, we've already matched that now. We scored only two goals against them all year last season including in the cups, we've already matched that this season. If you can't see the difference between open games against City and Liverpool in which we created chances but lost out to individual mistakes and poor refereeing decisions, compared with the equivalent of a heavyweight boxer pounding a disabled child's corpse into the ground like last season's performances were, then I cannot convince you of anything.
Do people really think there's a chance we might finish below teams like West Ham, Swansea and Hull? I mean really? Over a 38 game season, when cup games and injuries come into play? Southampton have done brilliantly - no doubt, but they have only equalled the start that Paul Jewell's Wigan made in 2005, and are doing worse than Phil Brown's Hull were doing at this stage in 2008, just before they finished 17th. To hear Koeman saying that they have a chance of finishing above Arsenal or Liverpool today is really quite funny. If they're so good and we're so bad, how did we manage to deservedly beat them only a few weeks ago?
Levy is not stupid. He will have noticed that, instead of every player bar Bale under AVB and bar Adebayor under Sherwood, some of our players actually appear to be playing better than the previous year - with Rose, Chadli and Mason the obvious success stories. He will also have noticed that last season, the only chances we were creating even against some of the worst teams in the league were 30 yard Townsend pot shots because we had a complete lack of technical skill and movement in the final third, and because AVB and Sherwood were both really poor coaches. He will also have noticed that under Poch, we are moving the ball around quicker and creating far more clear goalscoring opportunities per game than before. Because whilst some of you last season expected those scrappy 1-0 wins to suddenly turn into us thrashing the smaller teams when all the new players "clicked", the smarter people amongst the fan base could see that we had nothing about us, and once the dodgy penalties that Soldado scored stopped getting awarded our way, there were some heavy defeats coming. Whereas now, given the number of proper chances we actually create every game, I think it's actually reasonable to expect that, if we carry on creating chances like this, eventually we're going to start battering teams. Villa just lost to QPR, their fans will expect them to come out and attack us at home, that would be a good place to start.
It's been said before, but Rodgers had the worst start a Liverpool manager has ever had, and oversaw their worst start to a season since 1911. Reason being? He was taking time to implement a new passing philosophy. It wasn't until the players got the hang of it and he'd added Sturrige and Coutinho that it all really clicked. Pellegrini also lost to Cardiff, Villa and Sunderland in his first few games at City. Van Gaal took five points from a start that featured games against Swansea, Burnley, Sunderland, QPR and Leicester, as well as losing 4-0 to MK Dons. That doesn't mean that starting badly is "acceptable", but it's nothing to panic about if there's clear progress being made. And Levy will have noticed that we're playing better football now than any time in the previous two seasons, bar when Bale had the ball.
JerusalemMan
Chris Perry
Re: Daniel Levy isn't stupid...
Unless we finish out of the top ten then this season is not one to be panicked over.
And maybe not even then.
I am tired of quick-fix mentalities wrought by jealous eyes on those who have succeeded swiftly.
Unless we finish out of the top ten then this season is not one to be panicked over.
And maybe not even then.
I am tired of quick-fix mentalities wrought by jealous eyes on those who have succeeded swiftly.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
sc25
Banned
Re: Daniel Levy isn't stupid...
Yes, it has. About 10 times a day. So, why repeat it? Everyone and their uncle is, by now, if they weren't already, familiar with Rodgers. Unfortunately, it remains to be seen how his and Pool's situation is of relevance to us (if at all). There are people citing Rodgers up and down the country, but doesn't mean it will happen for them. They want it to happen, and we do too (desperately), but doesn't mean it will. And I won't get in to the Suarez factor.
Yes, it has. About 10 times a day. So, why repeat it? Everyone and their uncle is, by now, if they weren't already, familiar with Rodgers. Unfortunately, it remains to be seen how his and Pool's situation is of relevance to us (if at all). There are people citing Rodgers up and down the country, but doesn't mean it will happen for them. They want it to happen, and we do too (desperately), but doesn't mean it will. And I won't get in to the Suarez factor.
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braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: Daniel Levy isn't stupid...
Very interesting. Is this a spot on fact, or more guesswork? Do you have a source? I don't think it's far from the truth if not spot on and something well worth remembering and repeating.
Agreed. The mood around here would have been very different if this one game had been won.
There's 19 other teams in the league. Most of the time at least a couple of them will be massively in form over a relatively small sample - and someone on here will compare us to them and ask if Leicester/Southampton/Wigan/Saudi Sportswashing Machine can why can't we?
It's a small enough sample that had we beaten Saudi Sportswashing Machine we would have had 14 points instead of 11. That's 27% more points, a swing that would have resulted from one more win. I hope that puts it in some kind of perspective and adds to the claim that it's this one game that's influencing the mood a hell of a lot.
If that doesn't do it, someone pointed out the other day that in the same fixtures last season we actually picked up a point less. Can't remember quite where or who so I can't say that it's accurate, but I think it was someone trustworthy. I'm guessing someone will pop out of the woodwork and confirm/deny. Again, perspective.
How about Martinez then? Should Everton panic? Having signed the players they wanted they now have just the one point more than us? Time to go bananas? Or time for some calm?
There obviously is not guarantee that what happened for Rodgers at Liverpool will happen for Poch at Spurs. That's not the ****ing point. The point is that sometimes it takes time and Poch should be given time. The Rodgers example is just one of many.
Very interesting. Is this a spot on fact, or more guesswork? Do you have a source? I don't think it's far from the truth if not spot on and something well worth remembering and repeating.
Agreed. The mood around here would have been very different if this one game had been won.
There's 19 other teams in the league. Most of the time at least a couple of them will be massively in form over a relatively small sample - and someone on here will compare us to them and ask if Leicester/Southampton/Wigan/Saudi Sportswashing Machine can why can't we?
It's a small enough sample that had we beaten Saudi Sportswashing Machine we would have had 14 points instead of 11. That's 27% more points, a swing that would have resulted from one more win. I hope that puts it in some kind of perspective and adds to the claim that it's this one game that's influencing the mood a hell of a lot.
If that doesn't do it, someone pointed out the other day that in the same fixtures last season we actually picked up a point less. Can't remember quite where or who so I can't say that it's accurate, but I think it was someone trustworthy. I'm guessing someone will pop out of the woodwork and confirm/deny. Again, perspective.
How about Martinez then? Should Everton panic? Having signed the players they wanted they now have just the one point more than us? Time to go bananas? Or time for some calm?
There obviously is not guarantee that what happened for Rodgers at Liverpool will happen for Poch at Spurs. That's not the ****ing point. The point is that sometimes it takes time and Poch should be given time. The Rodgers example is just one of many.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Daniel Levy isn't stupid...
Twenty-first century requirement for instant gratification combined with the Sky Sports perennial hype bubble.
Twenty-first century requirement for instant gratification combined with the Sky Sports perennial hype bubble.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Daniel Levy isn't stupid...
It's not just Rodgers or Poch at Soton. To initiate a revolution you often appear to go backwards before you make forward strides.
People forget that Bill Nicholson took over us in 6th place and we finished his first season 18th (in a 22 team league with 2 relegation spots). The season after we finished 3rd. The season after we were champions.
Burkinshaw got relegated in his first season in charge, but he was making the structural reforms we needed and was backed to implement his vision.
We're trying to do a proper job this time, rather than more papering over the cracks.
It's not just Rodgers or Poch at Soton. To initiate a revolution you often appear to go backwards before you make forward strides.
People forget that Bill Nicholson took over us in 6th place and we finished his first season 18th (in a 22 team league with 2 relegation spots). The season after we finished 3rd. The season after we were champions.
Burkinshaw got relegated in his first season in charge, but he was making the structural reforms we needed and was backed to implement his vision.
We're trying to do a proper job this time, rather than more papering over the cracks.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Re: Daniel Levy isn't stupid...
Interesting but sadly not true
Average squad age 2011-12
http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Squad_Ages.html
I cannot find a decent breakdown for this season but this article says that Saudi Sportswashing Machine have the youngest average aged squad in the PL this season
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...r-Premier-League-club-despite-150m-spree.html
Interesting but sadly not true
Average squad age 2011-12
http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Squad_Ages.html
I cannot find a decent breakdown for this season but this article says that Saudi Sportswashing Machine have the youngest average aged squad in the PL this season
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...r-Premier-League-club-despite-150m-spree.html
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
Re: Daniel Levy isn't stupid...
I don't think we needed a revolution, 2 1/2 years ago we were a really really good side
we've got rid of (or sold) some good players and failed to adequately replace them, it's not just Bale, it's the likes of Dempsey, Dawson, Huddlestone, Livermore, Defoe and Siggy
I don't think we needed a revolution, 2 1/2 years ago we were a really really good side
we've got rid of (or sold) some good players and failed to adequately replace them, it's not just Bale, it's the likes of Dempsey, Dawson, Huddlestone, Livermore, Defoe and Siggy
tynesidespur
Terry Yorath
Re: Daniel Levy isn't stupid...
I don't agree we are playing better. I've watched every game and as far as I can see the home games are one-paced monotonous sideways/backwards affairs with the exception of QPR. We are averaging a goal a game and to pick up points in that situation you need to keep an awful lot of clean sheets. The problem with our home performances has been there for at least 15 months. It is this group of players - 3 managers have been unable to get them "up" for games.
I don't agree we are playing better. I've watched every game and as far as I can see the home games are one-paced monotonous sideways/backwards affairs with the exception of QPR. We are averaging a goal a game and to pick up points in that situation you need to keep an awful lot of clean sheets. The problem with our home performances has been there for at least 15 months. It is this group of players - 3 managers have been unable to get them "up" for games.
Re: Daniel Levy isn't stupid...
We have too many thick-as-**** fans, sadly. They make Daniel Levy look like the most patient man on earth.
We have too many thick-as-**** fans, sadly. They make Daniel Levy look like the most patient man on earth.
ledley's knee injections
Sean Davis
Re: Daniel Levy isn't stupid...
Yeah man, it has. I even have Spurs-supporting mates who all banged on about how they were ready to be patient and back the manager, but they are already starting to turn on the manager/team/everyone.
It is really sad to see this scenario happening, but worst of alll... I was expecting it. IMHO We have too many fans who have over-inflated expectations, no patience and a lack of perspective.
The worst thing is that this scenario helps absolutely no-one and worst of all, damages the most important thing: the team.
Yeah man, it has. I even have Spurs-supporting mates who all banged on about how they were ready to be patient and back the manager, but they are already starting to turn on the manager/team/everyone.
It is really sad to see this scenario happening, but worst of alll... I was expecting it. IMHO We have too many fans who have over-inflated expectations, no patience and a lack of perspective.
The worst thing is that this scenario helps absolutely no-one and worst of all, damages the most important thing: the team.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Daniel Levy isn't stupid...
We were built on weak foundations - 4 world class players - 2 on their last legs (King and vdV) and 2 with higher ambitions than we couldn't fulfil (Modric and Bale). The rest of our squad was pretty average and very thin on quality (our second string cup team was nowhere near as competitive as it is now).
The fact that we are still trying to recover from those 4 loses now shows just how we lacked a system that would give us resilience. Compare that to the momentum Soton have having been built on Poch's system-based approach.
We were also an ageing team - Redknapp was buying too many players like Parker, Friedel, Saha and Nelsen, and not enough like Sandro and Walker to gradually replace those reaching the end.
- Dempsey was getting on and Chadli is as effective as him.
- Dawson was getting on and Fazio should be as effective as him.
- Huddlestone had fitness issues and his departure has given room for Mason and Bentaleb to emerge.
- Livermore was a very limited player - nowhere near as good as Capoue.
- Defoe hadn't been effective in the league for years and was on a completely different wavelength to any half-intelligent AM.
- And Siggy was about out 7th choice CM last year and is only effective because he's given more space at Swansea than any team would ever afford us.
We were built on weak foundations - 4 world class players - 2 on their last legs (King and vdV) and 2 with higher ambitions than we couldn't fulfil (Modric and Bale). The rest of our squad was pretty average and very thin on quality (our second string cup team was nowhere near as competitive as it is now).
The fact that we are still trying to recover from those 4 loses now shows just how we lacked a system that would give us resilience. Compare that to the momentum Soton have having been built on Poch's system-based approach.
We were also an ageing team - Redknapp was buying too many players like Parker, Friedel, Saha and Nelsen, and not enough like Sandro and Walker to gradually replace those reaching the end.
- Dempsey was getting on and Chadli is as effective as him.
- Dawson was getting on and Fazio should be as effective as him.
- Huddlestone had fitness issues and his departure has given room for Mason and Bentaleb to emerge.
- Livermore was a very limited player - nowhere near as good as Capoue.
- Defoe hadn't been effective in the league for years and was on a completely different wavelength to any half-intelligent AM.
- And Siggy was about out 7th choice CM last year and is only effective because he's given more space at Swansea than any team would ever afford us.