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Danny Rose

Danishfurniturelover said:
I have been wondering whether Wenger after all might be right in telling players they have to see out their contracts, most continue to play well for him up to leaving on a free. Another couple of seasons of Rose performing at his best would actually be good for Tottenham even if someone of us might not want to see him in the team.

Also we all think the football bubble will burst but will it. Amazon are getting into broadcasting sport now, they have started with Tennis but you know that is just the test ground for the future and for football. I thought when that Irish broadcaster Sentana? went bust it might slow down, but the will always be the next upstart to come along and think they can make it work.

I even read that facebook and apple are thinking about bidding for football rights as they want to guarantee a couple of million of people online at a certain time so they can sell advertising space for more money.

For me I see the end game being the rich clubs wanting and demanding more and more and eventually getting the rights to sell their live games away from the rest of the league and that creating such a difference in wealth and quality that the leagues die. Then the big clubs leave and we can start over again.

Actually think apart from the no relegation thing we could learn a lot from our American cousins and introduce wage caps etc.
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The bubble will burst at some point. All bubbles do and immediately before that, everyone thinks it will go on forever.

I agree though that there will be serious money if Apple, Amazon, Google, Netflix and all get the chance to bid for online rights.
 
GinolaGinolaGinola said:
Great post and sums up
Pretty much where football is and is going.

My Mrs cannot fathom the amount that footballers get. She doesn't understand it and gets angry by it and she doesn't really watch football. To be fair, us fans are complete mugs for continuing to watch it and pay hard earned money to watch them along with paying BT and Sky stupid amounts of money so that we can fill their bank accounts. But we do it out of love for the game, love has gone from pretty much most footballers game now and it is purely and simply about the money and the fame.

I watched the London firefighters program tonight and it just makes no sense why these footballers are getting more than a firefighters yearly salary in one week, and they are risking their life every single time they do their job whilst the footballers worry about whether they will win a trophy this year or how many houses they can buy.

Footballers say that their career is a short one so they have to make as much money as they can, but one contract for a premier league player is enough now. 4 years on £50k per week is £10,400,000 before tax. They take home roughly £6m in that space and have sponsors on top of that and freebies stuff too etc so fudge each and every one of them. They don't deserve £50k a week. No one does.

The game went mad many years ago but now it is completely out of this world insane as you say. Where does it stop.

Sorry Danny but it is about the money to you, and every single footballer out there playing professional football.
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But is this not the same for anybody at the top of a monied profession? There are more millionaire CEOs than there are Millionaire footballers.
 
milo said:
I think that a salary cap based on a percentage of turnover and owners only being able to put money in to fund capital projects would work.
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They wont vote for it and UEFA would not want to lose them because they will bring in the biggest sponsors. I think a European breakaway league is the final conclusion.
 
milo said:
The bubble will burst at some point. All bubbles do and immediately before that, everyone thinks it will go on forever.

I agree though that there will be serious money if Apple, Amazon, Google, Netflix and all get the chance to bid for online rights.
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Is why I am glad for Levy he like Barber at Brighton are both warning against spending to much, though Brighton just spent 12m on a winger I never heard of.

Apparently Amazon are already gearing up for live sports and as they have the prime thing I guess it wont be to long. The kids watch things different these days so to them watching a football match on facebook is no big stretch. Hell even I now watch all my football online and I do watch a hell of a lot of it during the season, even if now it is kind of like a second job for me.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
They wont vote for it and UEFA would not want to lose them because they will bring in the biggest sponsors. I think a European breakaway league is the final conclusion.
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Well they have been toying with that idea for decades, one of the main reasons they changed the European Cup into the Champs Lge was because some of the bigger clubs wanted to break away and form a super Lge.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
I have been wondering whether Wenger after all might be right in telling players they have to see out their contracts, most continue to play well for him up to leaving on a free. Another couple of seasons of Rose performing at his best would actually be good for Tottenham even if someone of us might not want to see him in the team.

Also we all think the football bubble will burst but will it. Amazon are getting into broadcasting sport now, they have started with Tennis but you know that is just the test ground for the future and for football. I thought when that Irish broadcaster Sentana? went bust it might slow down, but the will always be the next upstart to come along and think they can make it work.

I even read that facebook and apple are thinking about bidding for football rights as they want to guarantee a couple of million of people online at a certain time so they can sell advertising space for more money.

For me I see the end game being the rich clubs wanting and demanding more and more and eventually getting the rights to sell their live games away from the rest of the league and that creating such a difference in wealth and quality that the leagues die. Then the big clubs leave and we can start over again.

Actually think apart from the no relegation thing we could learn a lot from our American cousins and introduce wage caps etc.
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I have a lot of respect for Wenger, rivalries aside...

Really glad Poch doesn't wear the endless, infinite, ribbed anorak though. And we know Poch has a much bigger c*&k also :)
 
GinolaGinolaGinola said:
Yeh course completely understand that, but if there was a wage cap, for example, ticket prices wouldn't have to be as high, sky prices wouldn't have to be as high, there would be more competition for tv rights, less transfer fees and it would be a much less greedier world. I'm saying it's all wrong and it is about the money.

Why shouldn't a fireman/policeman/nurse/paramedic get the same salary as a footballer?

Why should a footballer get more than the above professions?

Just because there is millions of £ in football why should they get a slice of it? There's millions going round in insurance that I work in and for the company I work in, but I don't get a huge slice. Before someone says "but if you're colleague was on £100k a year and you're on £50k, you'd want parity." Yes I would, but that's a salary that is reasonable and still within the realms of an every day job or life. It is not ludicrous, although some would even say that £100k a year is ludicrous (I'm one of them). I guess I just see that there are people still starving in the world, there are homeless people and in this day and age, when there are more billionaires than ever and this seems to keep growing, then why is there still poverty? The money footballers earn is fantasy and ridiculous.

I'm just throwing these questions out there, they may not make sense or there could be simple answers but the fact remains and will always remain that footballers do not deserve to be paid £100,000 a week (or anywhere near that above that below that).

These are questions that have been asked before by many not just me.
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Don't worry. Juan Mata has promised to give 1% of his income to charity and challenged others to do the same.
 
Jordinho said:
Don't worry. Juan Mata has promised to give 1% of his income to charity and challenged others to do the same.
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DHSF sadly no longer on this website used to give 10% he did so for religious reasons but it went to all different charities not just ones that affected his religion. A lot give to charity and more the footballers give but dont feel the need to tell everyone about it.
 
Modric THFC said:
Link to David Pleat talking about Rose tonight on 5live http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05c1yqg


Pleat part starts at 2:30


Very dismissive of Rose. "Danny is not the only full back in the world. He was very good for Tottenham in a system he flourished in which Pochettino devised...


He finishes with a snarky "it's good for radio 5 isn't it?"
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He is right that the system that Poch plays makes full backs look better then they are. Is the same with a Mourinho team how he plays with a carthorse up front then has a scoring midfielder with less duties running forward scoring lots of goals, that midfielder is then often criminally over rated, has happened at all his teams.

I wonder if Poch could make most full backs look good. That Georgiou kid showed something pre season and yes I know it is only pre season. The one from the lower leagues would be Sessegnon or Henry at Brentford.
 
milo said:
The bubble will burst at some point. All bubbles do and immediately before that, everyone thinks it will go on forever.

I agree though that there will be serious money if Apple, Amazon, Google, Netflix and all get the chance to bid for online rights.
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Apparently the next domestic tv deal will remain stable but the foreign deal is expected to go up 40% I think they said 3bn to 5bn.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
He is right that the system that Poch plays makes full backs look better then they are. Is the same with a Mourinho team how he plays with a carthorse up front then has a scoring midfielder with less duties running forward scoring lots of goals, that midfielder is then often criminally over rated, has happened at all his teams.

I wonder if Poch could make most full backs look good. That Georgiou kid showed something pre season and yes I know it is only pre season. The one from the lower leagues would be Sessegnon or Henry at Brentford.
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Both of those guys would be great... if we get the the supposed Ajax-registered, Colombian beast at Centre-Half/Back Three and play proper, attacking wing-backs, it could be very exciting...
 
Stories are coming out in tomorrows papers that a number of our senior players back Rose in his comments about wages, "If it turns out to be true then Houston, we have a problem!"
 
Apparently Danny Roses agent happens to be his uncle who is also Walkers agent. "Walker’s agent is Mark Rankine, brother of Rose’s mother Angela. The former Sheffield United player will have been able to give his nephew chapter and verse on the England right-back’s own lucrative move."
 
Eatmyownbrainwithaspork said:
My view is that football reached absurd levels of spending even as far back as Trevor Francis. It's now literally in a completely different universe of sane so I am 100% behind Levy and Poch and would far rather we built slowly, organically and with a great youth and development policy - the victories we have (or the struggle to get there at least) is worth so much more. And everyone knows that. No-one will care if City or PSG win their leagues - it's completely hollow. There comes a point where it stops making sense - a long time ago for me. Last season was astonishing...brilliant...the best I've enjoyed for so long. Why? Because we're relatively little Tottenham who play by different rules. Levy's investment in the training ground, the new stadium, the regeneration of Tottenham itself, the Foundation's work, deserves a knighthood. There will come a point, like all capitalist/expansionist ideology, where more simply cannot be got. There's only so much TV money. Grounds can only be so big. Only so many shirts can be sold. Sponsors will only pay so much. Super-rich investor people will at some point go 'wtf'? The bubble will burst, as it will with the UK and other economies, pretty soon too. Consumer debt is massive again. Universities will go bust this year, believe me. The housing market, especially in the South is unworkable. And what's the point in just expanding and expanding and paying more and more and more? And what does that do to a footballer's head? A human being's head? £1m a week? And it disconnects everyone...everyone...the fans...the increasing number of non or anti-fans...so much more. £1m a week for kicking an inflated bit of pig's bladder around. It will end at some point. You know what I'm most looking forward to this season aside from us? Huddersfield. I will be behind them all the way. That will be a proper footballing story. Danny Rose can lick my nostrils. COYS.
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The issue is not Danny Rose per se, it is the current free market of football. Forget for a moment the vastly inflated salaries of footballers and just imagine in any profession, would it be wrong to want to be at the top, achieve the honours and be paid the same as the other similar level members of the same profession? Isn't that called ambition? That is why I don't see what Rose has done wrong. The issue of whether I agree with footballers' wages is irrelevant because they are what they are and not likely to change soon. Btw David Pleat reminds me too much of darker times at Tottenham, we are in a much better place now, thanks to Poch, Danny Rose etc, so I have very little interest in his opinions. After all didn't he leave a smaller club to manage Spurs back in 1987?
 
Robspur12 said:
The issue is not Danny Rose per se, it is the current free market of football. Forget for a moment the vastly inflated salaries of footballers and just imagine in any profession, would it be wrong to want to be at the top, achieve the honours and be paid the same as the other similar level members of the same profession? Isn't that called ambition? That is why I don't see what Rose has done wrong. The issue of whether I agree with footballers' wages is irrelevant because they are what they are and not likely to change soon. Btw David Pleat reminds me too much of darker times at Tottenham, we are in a much better place now, thanks to Poch, Danny Rose etc, so I have very little interest in his opinions.
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I completely agree with you, which sounds like I'm contradicting myself - it is the free market I have issue with though I accept the reality. But there is a moral, ethical position here, and take Danny Rose out of the bubble for a split second, it is insane. But tbere is more insane - Trump v North Korea, Brexit v Bremain, May v Corbyn... I could go on. I would now like announce the establishment of the free, anarchist state of Finsbury Park - it's happening friends, believe me... :)
 
My final thought for tonight is that it would have been far more interstIng if DR had said what we are doing is very appropriate in the big scheme of things...far more interesting (which it is) and something he's looking forward to being a part of....he could even mentor someone for £65,000 a week...imagine that...
 
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