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Danny Rose

Modric THFC said:
Anyone else hear David Pleat being interviewed on 5live tonight? Always so mild mannered but tonight he was barely holding in his anger. We all know he is close to Levy. Pleat was sure we are bringing two and maybe three players in.
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Maybe because he knows we are inches away from a league winning team, over the last 2 seasons we have been so close. A freak of a season for Leicester and then Chelsea both defensive boring counter attacking teams against us doing it the right way and we have nothing to show for it and now the teams looks like breaking up. As a spurs man he is probably very sad.
 
My view is that football reached absurd levels of spending even as far back as Trevor Francis. It's now literally in a completely different universe of sane so I am 100% behind Levy and Poch and would far rather we built slowly, organically and with a great youth and development policy - the victories we have (or the struggle to get there at least) is worth so much more. And everyone knows that. No-one will care if City or PSG win their leagues - it's completely hollow. There comes a point where it stops making sense - a long time ago for me. Last season was astonishing...brilliant...the best I've enjoyed for so long. Why? Because we're relatively little Tottenham who play by different rules. Levy's investment in the training ground, the new stadium, the regeneration of Tottenham itself, the Foundation's work, deserves a knighthood. There will come a point, like all capitalist/expansionist ideology, where more simply cannot be got. There's only so much TV money. Grounds can only be so big. Only so many shirts can be sold. Sponsors will only pay so much. Super-rich investor people will at some point go 'wtf'? The bubble will burst, as it will with the UK and other economies, pretty soon too. Consumer debt is massive again. Universities will go bust this year, believe me. The housing market, especially in the South is unworkable. And what's the point in just expanding and expanding and paying more and more and more? And what does that do to a footballer's head? A human being's head? £1m a week? And it disconnects everyone...everyone...the fans...the increasing number of non or anti-fans...so much more. £1m a week for kicking an inflated bit of pig's bladder around. It will end at some point. You know what I'm most looking forward to this season aside from us? Huddersfield. I will be behind them all the way. That will be a proper footballing story. Danny Rose can lick my nostrils. COYS.
 
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Eatmyownbrainwithaspork said:
My view is that football reached absurd levels of spending even as far back as Trevor Francis. It's now literally in a completely different universe of sane so I am 100% behind Levy and Poch and would far rather we built slowly, organically and with a great youth and development policy - the victories we have (or the struggle to get there at least) is worth so much more. And everyone knows that. No-one will care if City or PSG win their leagues - it's completely hollow. There comes a point where it stops making sense - a long time ago for me. Last season was astonishing...brilliant...the best I've enjoyed for so long. Why? Because we're relatively little Tottenham who play by different rules. Levy's investment in the training ground, the new stadium, the regeneration of Tottenham itself, the Foundation's work, deserves a knighthood. There will come a point, like all capitalist/expansionist ideology, where more simply cannot be got. There's only so much TV money. Grounds can only be so big. Only so many shirts can be sold. Sponsors will only pay so much. Super-rich investor people will at some point go 'wtf'? The bubble will burst, as it will will the UK and other economies, pretty soon too. Consumer debt is massive again. Universities will go bust this year, believe me. The housing market, especially in the South is unworkable. And what's the point in just expanding and expanding and paying more and more and more? And what does that do to a footballer's head? A human being's head? £1m a week? And it disconnects everyone...everyone...the fans...the increasing number of non or anti-fans...so much more. £1m a week for kicking an inflated bit of pig's bladder around. It will end at some point. You know what I'm most looking forward to this season aside from us? Huddersfield. I will be behind them all the way. That will be a proper footballing story. Danny Rose can lick my nostrils. COYS.
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Great post and sums up
Pretty much where football is and is going.

My Mrs cannot fathom the amount that footballers get. She doesn't understand it and gets angry by it and she doesn't really watch football. To be fair, us fans are complete mugs for continuing to watch it and pay hard earned money to watch them along with paying BT and Sky stupid amounts of money so that we can fill their bank accounts. But we do it out of love for the game, love has gone from pretty much most footballers game now and it is purely and simply about the money and the fame.

I watched the London firefighters program tonight and it just makes no sense why these footballers are getting more than a firefighters yearly salary in one week, and they are risking their life every single time they do their job whilst the footballers worry about whether they will win a trophy this year or how many houses they can buy.

Footballers say that their career is a short one so they have to make as much money as they can, but one contract for a premier league player is enough now. 4 years on £50k per week is £10,400,000 before tax. They take home roughly £6m in that space and have sponsors on top of that and freebies stuff too etc so fudge each and every one of them. They don't deserve £50k a week. No one does.

The game went mad many years ago but now it is completely out of this world insane as you say. Where does it stop.

Sorry Danny but it is about the money to you, and every single footballer out there playing professional football.
 
Do you feel the same about movie stars earning big money also? Football is a world wide business generating vast sums of money - which is all down to the players on the pitch who everyone wants to watch, the players deserve their cut as much as anyone else
 
billyiddo said:
Do you feel the same about movie stars earning big money also? Football is a world wide business generating vast sums of money - which is all down to the players on the pitch who everyone wants to watch, the players deserve their cut as much as anyone else
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Yeh man them too but I guess because I don't really talk much to people about films and stuff like that it never gets brought up.

Do you think footballers deserve £50k or £100k per week? Does Neymar deserve £500k per week?
 
GinolaGinolaGinola said:
Yeh man them too but I guess because I don't really talk much to people about films and stuff like that it never gets brought up.
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But surely it's not hard to see why they earn the money they do when the industry they are in generates so much money? If someone was making millions/billions off of your back wouldn't you want a slice?
 
Well...interesting point as I work in film. There are four film industries essentially - (1) Blockbuster, commercial, arguably high-risk Hollywood (2) Independent commercial or more art-house film and (3) Straight to DVD commercial (4) low > medium budget development work. Number 1 earns/loses millions - mainly sold on genre, franchise and star billing. The rest are quite similar, though it's slightly different in Europe and East Asia. Jonny Depp was worth $35m per film for his investors. That's absurd as well,right? Yes, there's a marketplace and football is a good analogy as it's supply/demand capitalism pure and simple. But, like Leeds Utd in days of old and probably Crystal Palace and West Ham before too long, there will be blood. Just think about what was a genuine blockbuster this year, and what flopped and lost the execs £ms...

Jonny Depp's Transcendence for example - $100,000,000 budget...$35,000,000 to him. Made $23,000,000 at global Box Office. You can hear the screams od Execs being fired and never working again.

I will add that Bollywood and East Asian genre film does very well in their home territories...

And I know as I worked on it, Derek Thompson, who plays Charlie Fairhead in Casualty, gets £350,000k a year - 10 times more than a super-qualified, real-life Senior Nurse.
 
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But surely it's not hard to see why they earn the money they do when the industry they are in generates so much money? If someone was making millions/billions off of your back wouldn't you want a slice?
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Yeh course completely understand that, but if there was a wage cap, for example, ticket prices wouldn't have to be as high, sky prices wouldn't have to be as high, there would be more competition for tv rights, less transfer fees and it would be a much less greedier world. I'm saying it's all wrong and it is about the money.

Why shouldn't a fireman/policeman/nurse/paramedic get the same salary as a footballer?

Why should a footballer get more than the above professions?

Just because there is millions of £ in football why should they get a slice of it? There's millions going round in insurance that I work in and for the company I work in, but I don't get a huge slice. Before someone says "but if you're colleague was on £100k a year and you're on £50k, you'd want parity." Yes I would, but that's a salary that is reasonable and still within the realms of an every day job or life. It is not ludicrous, although some would even say that £100k a year is ludicrous (I'm one of them). I guess I just see that there are people still starving in the world, there are homeless people and in this day and age, when there are more billionaires than ever and this seems to keep growing, then why is there still poverty? The money footballers earn is fantasy and ridiculous.

I'm just throwing these questions out there, they may not make sense or there could be simple answers but the fact remains and will always remain that footballers do not deserve to be paid £100,000 a week (or anywhere near that above that below that).

These are questions that have been asked before by many not just me.
 
GinolaGinolaGinola said:
Yeh course completely understand that, but if there was a wage cap, for example, ticket prices wouldn't have to be as high, sky prices wouldn't have to be as high, there would be more competition for tv rights, less transfer fees and it would be a much less greedier world. I'm saying it's all wrong and it is about the money.

Why shouldn't a fireman/policeman/nurse/paramedic get the same salary as a footballer?

Why should a footballer get more than the above professions?

Just because there is millions of £ in football why should they get a slice of it? There's millions going round in insurance that I work in and for the company I work in, but I don't get a huge slice. Before someone says "but if you're colleague was on £100k a year and you're on £50k, you'd want parity." Yes I would, but that's a salary that is reasonable and still within the realms of an every day job or life. It is not ludicrous, although some would even say that £100k a year is ludicrous (I'm one of them). I guess I just see that there are people still starving in the world, there are homeless people and in this day and age, when there are more billionaires than ever and this seems to keep growing, then why is there still poverty? The money footballers earn is fantasy and ridiculous.

I'm just throwing these questions out there, they may not make sense or there could be simple answers but the fact remains and will always remain that footballers do not deserve to be paid £100,000 a week (or anywhere near that above that below that).

These are questions that have been asked before by many not just me.
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Mate I whole heartedly agree with your sentiment it's difficult not too. What footballers earn is absolutely obscene even young ones. Unfortunately the market dictates that footballers can earn much more than we are paying at other clubs. It doesn't dictate the same for policemen, firemen or even insurance workers (non executive) hence their salary ceiling is much lower. The only realistic way to change that is to restrict the free market which many would consider undesirable. When you are in this market you have an easy choice, play the game and pay the market rate or fall behind.
 
Eatmyownbrainwithaspork said:
And on the film analogy, I hope we're like the 'Get Out' and 'Moonlight' developments - integrity, true to oneself, great, great products, make a statement and brilliant to watch...
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Funnily enough, I was thinking of the movie analogy earlier too. If football were films, some fans would think that the only way to have a hit is for it to star Tom Cruise and to be directed by Michael Bay.
 
I remember when Ryan Gigg's did the donate to nurses thing with footballers - GHod, it was awkward, unsurprisingly... some of them were properly resentful at the reality bubble hitting them in the face...
 
Eatmyownbrainwithaspork said:
And I know as I worked on it, Derek Thompson, who plays Charlie Fairhead in Casualty, gets £350,000k a year - 10 times more than a super-qualified, real-life Senior Nurse.
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Owns fcuk load of flats round Bristol dont he? I know a guy who went into property development with him, he was close to Robbie Fowler level of owning flats from what I was told.
 
Eatmyownbrainwithaspork said:
My view is that football reached absurd levels of spending even as far back as Trevor Francis. It's now literally in a completely different universe of sane so I am 100% behind Levy and Poch and would far rather we built slowly, organically and with a great youth and development policy - the victories we have (or the struggle to get there at least) is worth so much more. And everyone knows that. No-one will care if City or PSG win their leagues - it's completely hollow. There comes a point where it stops making sense - a long time ago for me. Last season was astonishing...brilliant...the best I've enjoyed for so long. Why? Because we're relatively little Tottenham who play by different rules. Levy's investment in the training ground, the new stadium, the regeneration of Tottenham itself, the Foundation's work, deserves a knighthood. There will come a point, like all capitalist/expansionist ideology, where more simply cannot be got. There's only so much TV money. Grounds can only be so big. Only so many shirts can be sold. Sponsors will only pay so much. Super-rich investor people will at some point go 'wtf'? The bubble will burst, as it will with the UK and other economies, pretty soon too. Consumer debt is massive again. Universities will go bust this year, believe me. The housing market, especially in the South is unworkable. And what's the point in just expanding and expanding and paying more and more and more? And what does that do to a footballer's head? A human being's head? £1m a week? And it disconnects everyone...everyone...the fans...the increasing number of non or anti-fans...so much more. £1m a week for kicking an inflated bit of pig's bladder around. It will end at some point. You know what I'm most looking forward to this season aside from us? Huddersfield. I will be behind them all the way. That will be a proper footballing story. Danny Rose can lick my nostrils. COYS.
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What a great post
 
I have been wondering whether Wenger after all might be right in telling players they have to see out their contracts, most continue to play well for him up to leaving on a free. Another couple of seasons of Rose performing at his best would actually be good for Tottenham even if someone of us might not want to see him in the team.

Also we all think the football bubble will burst but will it. Amazon are getting into broadcasting sport now, they have started with Tennis but you know that is just the test ground for the future and for football. I thought when that Irish broadcaster Sentana? went bust it might slow down, but the will always be the next upstart to come along and think they can make it work.

I even read that facebook and apple are thinking about bidding for football rights as they want to guarantee a couple of million of people online at a certain time so they can sell advertising space for more money.

For me I see the end game being the rich clubs wanting and demanding more and more and eventually getting the rights to sell their live games away from the rest of the league and that creating such a difference in wealth and quality that the leagues die. Then the big clubs leave and we can start over again.

Actually think apart from the no relegation thing we could learn a lot from our American cousins and introduce wage caps etc.
 
GinolaGinolaGinola said:
Great post and sums up
Pretty much where football is and is going.

My Mrs cannot fathom the amount that footballers get. She doesn't understand it and gets angry by it and she doesn't really watch football. To be fair, us fans are complete mugs for continuing to watch it and pay hard earned money to watch them along with paying BT and Sky stupid amounts of money so that we can fill their bank accounts. But we do it out of love for the game, love has gone from pretty much most footballers game now and it is purely and simply about the money and the fame.

I watched the London firefighters program tonight and it just makes no sense why these footballers are getting more than a firefighters yearly salary in one week, and they are risking their life every single time they do their job whilst the footballers worry about whether they will win a trophy this year or how many houses they can buy.

Footballers say that their career is a short one so they have to make as much money as they can, but one contract for a premier league player is enough now. 4 years on £50k per week is £10,400,000 before tax. They take home roughly £6m in that space and have sponsors on top of that and freebies stuff too etc so fudge each and every one of them. They don't deserve £50k a week. No one does.

The game went mad many years ago but now it is completely out of this world insane as you say. Where does it stop.

Sorry Danny but it is about the money to you, and every single footballer out there playing professional football.
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Good post mate.

I am amazed that personal debt has gone up to record levels. Forget politics and which way you think and how the country should be run. I just can not believe personal debt is going up, the last crash was bad but the next one will be so much worse, do kind of hope it takes football with it. As someone else said when you have nurses earning in a year less then a player does in a week it is obscene.
 
Robspur12 said:
Mate I whole heartedly agree with your sentiment it's difficult not too. What footballers earn is absolutely obscene even young ones. Unfortunately the market dictates that footballers can earn much more than we are paying at other clubs. It doesn't dictate the same for policemen, firemen or even insurance workers (non executive) hence their salary ceiling is much lower. The only realistic way to change that is to restrict the free market which many would consider undesirable. When you are in this market you have an easy choice, play the game and pay the market rate or fall behind.
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I think that a salary cap based on a percentage of turnover and owners only being able to put money in to fund capital projects would work.
 
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