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Daniel Levy - Chairman

Muttley said:
As one of the new posters, what I find intriguing about this thread is that the focus is still very much on Levy as we relate it to things like the manager, the on-pitch performance etc. I bet it's the same on every other forum though.

I'd love to hear other people's view on what Scott Munn's role is compared to what Levy's role is nowadays. Perhaps I'm being naive but I though Munn is now like a MD of Football at Spurs. His job title is Chief Football Officer and he a member of the board. As far as I can see, he runs the football business unit and has full strategy and budgetary control. Levy has supposedly vacated that "operations" space at this stage.

What is also implied is that Ange and Lange report directly to Munn. Reading between the lines, it was Munn that recommended and appointed Ange even though he wasn't quite in role yet at THFC. Munn also recruited his own DoF in Lange.

So are we perhaps overstating Levy's current involvement or do people still think he is still very tactically involved day to day?
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Spurs fans always look to the past to predict the future (other fans may too)
So the assumption are always made based on experience rather than what’s in front
Form what I’ve read and been told (ransoms convos with football people) levy has handed over the keys to the castle but still controls the budget to run it
 
Finney Is Back said:
It is folly to look at the last 30 games. Many of those were with a completely different squad.

We should look at this season only, where still our points per game rate still certainly isn't good enough. However the sample size is still quite small and we probably should actually have more points than we do have.

We simply cannot continue with the same rinse and repeat cycle that we've operated for years where we hire a new manager, back them a bit but not to the hilt, don't give them the resources or time to implement their vision, then fire them and get in a new manager who is completely different and wants a whole new set of players. That hasn't got us anywhere.
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To make it clear, not calling for a new manger, new coaches yeah, Levy is also worth going too.
 
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Bishop said:
I largely agree but I just don't think the source of our problems is players missing through injuries. Injuries happen they are never an excuse because it's the nature of all professional sports.

Jota is their best finisher and they haven't missed him but that's not really my point. My only point in my response to you is that mentioning injuries is a total irrelevance. With or without injuries we've equally good or poor. The injuries are not a key factor, the quality of the playing squad is (and the tactics we employ).
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And coaching.

It doesn't matter what formation, tactics, players we put out, if they can't pass more than twice giving the ball away.

The fact that we look as though we have never seen a training pitch, speaks volumes.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Yes but I don't think our chairman is brave enough (he's proved that time and time again and proved it royally with Poch who had an abundance of credit in the bank).

I also don't think our fans are brave enough. I can see that on here, where a bunch already seem to want Ange gone and there are another bunch who will join them if we lose 2 or 3 of our next 4 or 5 league games.

I wasn't particularly enamored when Ange joined. I didn't think his career did anything like enough to merit a job at a big PL club like ours. However we brought him in and have somewhat backed him so far. It would be ludicrous to repeat the same cycle we've repeatedly followed under Levy, having to go back to square one again. Let's actually ride the horse that we've picked this time. You never know it might even work and we might win a trophy of two, the alternative certainly hasn't worked so perhaps we should stop constantly doing it.
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It might not be back to square one if the other structures/staff we have put in place are functioning the way I assume we'd want them to?
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Spurs fans always look to the past to predict the future (other fans may too)
So the assumption are always made based on experience rather than what’s in front
Form what I’ve read and been told (ransoms convos with football people) levy has handed over the keys to the castle but still controls the budget to run it
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That is the confusion. Can it work if Levy hires a very senior leader and doesn't let him run his own budget? That is knowing that Levy has always been penny-wise, pound-foolish over the years. There have been too many times to mention when the football operations P&L has been completely sub-optimal under Levy. Levy has been haemorrhaging wasted salaries and forcing managers away from their first choice options for years. Levy has also cost the 1st team so many Aug / Sep league points by not getting the business done early enough.

The information in Lloris's book about the differences between Aulas and Levy are not subtle at all. To Hugo, one is a loved leader who personally makes himself accountable for the success and failure of his business in a very personal way. The other is Levy. The Lloris to Spurs debacle unfortunately showed Levy at his worst. If it had been down to Levy, we would never had landed that great keeper. Our chairman lost the negotiation, he upset everyone at both clubs, and it was only Aulas's maturity that helped Hugo personally with the tough career decision. Hugo could have gone anywhere at that stage of his career. It was also spiteful to charter a jet for Hugo to come to Spurs, only to send him back on Easyjet to say goodbye to the OL fans in his last game. Total lack of class by Levy and THFC there.

For me, we've only really every had 2 chief football officers. Birch flew the nest very quickly for different reasons, and I will always fear Munn will if their relationship sours. I'll be glad when the first 2-3 years is behind that relationship.
 
Bishop said:
He's not a DM, he's not the player we need. We need a DM. An Ederson or Fabian Ruiz etc. Gallagher would be more of the same.
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Could not agree more, we have several C/M players who are good on the ball but we seriously lack a player who can read a game better when we do not have the ball, our M,F is wide open and until we change that we will continue to struggle there.
 
Finney Is Back said:
It is folly to look at the last 30 games. Many of those were with a completely different squad.

We should look at this season only, where still our points per game rate still certainly isn't good enough. However the sample size is still quite small and we probably should actually have more points than we do have.

We simply cannot continue with the same rinse and repeat cycle that we've operated for years where we hire a new manager, back them a bit but not to the hilt, don't give them the resources or time to implement their vision, then fire them and get in a new manager who is completely different and wants a whole new set of players. That hasn't got us anywhere.
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Absolutely. If Ange is fired at some point we need to get someone in that prefers a style similar to the one we're already playing so that we can continue building on what we already have.

But I'm very much on the stick with Ange side. We've been inconsistent while dealing with the added games of EL and a fairly young squad. These things take time, give him time.
 
braineclipse said:
Absolutely. If Ange is fired at some point we need to get someone in that prefers a style similar to the one we're already playing so that we can continue building on what we already have.

But I'm very much on the stick with Ange side. We've been inconsistent while dealing with the added games of EL and a fairly young squad. These things take time, give him time.
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And it is this done the damage after Poch left, and Levy went full he knows best.... Got Mourniho in.

And I agree, we should stick Ange for now, but it doesn't help in the way he treats players.

Like Djed for instance... He just doesn't do himself any favors
 
Muttley said:
That is the confusion. Can it work if Levy hires a very senior leader and doesn't let him run his own budget? That is knowing that Levy has always been penny-wise, pound-foolish over the years. There have been too many times to mention when the football operations P&L has been completely sub-optimal under Levy. Levy has been haemorrhaging wasted salaries and forcing managers away from their first choice options for years. Levy has also cost the 1st team so many Aug / Sep league points by not getting the business done early enough.

The information in Lloris's book about the differences between Aulas and Levy are not subtle at all. To Hugo, one is a loved leader who personally makes himself accountable for the success and failure of his business in a very personal way. The other is Levy. The Lloris to Spurs debacle unfortunately showed Levy at his worst. If it had been down to Levy, we would never had landed that great keeper. Our chairman lost the negotiation, he upset everyone at both clubs, and it was only Aulas's maturity that helped Hugo personally with the tough career decision. Hugo could have gone anywhere at that stage of his career. It was also spiteful to charter a jet for Hugo to come to Spurs, only to send him back on Easyjet to say goodbye to the OL fans in his last game. Total lack of class by Levy and THFC there.

For me, we've only really every had 2 chief football officers. Birch flew the nest very quickly for different reasons, and I will always fear Munn will if their relationship sours. I'll be glad when the first 2-3 years is behind that relationship.
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He is letting him run the budget as far as I can tell
 
Batspur said:
We should have made a serious bid for Conor Gallagher in the summer. It was so obvious he was the player we needed. But levy gonna levy.
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I know that Ange really wanted him but I'm not convinced that he was absolutely what we needed. I think we need a more positionally sound player. The Michael Carrick that we sold to Man Utd would get this team close to contending IMO.
 
Jordinho said:
It's also fairly obvious he didn't want to leave Chelsea and certainly not to go to us.
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I heard something slightly different. It is correct that he didn't really want to leave Chelsea, though he didn't want to stay enough to sign a contract that undervalued him. I heard that he was absolutely prepared to join us but we couldn't make the financials work.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Spurs fans always look to the past to predict the future (other fans may too)
So the assumption are always made based on experience rather than what’s in front
Form what I’ve read and been told (ransoms convos with football people) levy has handed over the keys to the castle but still controls the budget to run it
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I doubt a decision to sack Postecoglou (or not) would come from anyone other than Levy.
 
thfcsteff said:
We were in early for Calafiori, and had made some headway as I understand it before we stopped making headway and the goons swooped in and got the deal done. He would've absolutely offered cover in both left sided positions along with Davies. Radu has been handed a raw deal as he is not a LCB. I think he'd have played more games at RCB and Romero would've got the rest his fatigue and occasionally performances have deserved.
Ange wanted Gallagher, made it very, very clear. Over two windows. Which does support your point about not a pure 6 but wanting a fierce box-to-box talent who would consistently perform. I'm not saying whether it was possible or not, albeit there is a school of thought which says it was most certainly in January, but he didn't get him.
Eze was another player he wanted, instead he got Odobert (faint whiffs of Mane and ending up with NJie and NKoudou???).

Gray is a fine player, and he will be excellent for sure. Bergy needs a loan and more development. Will L will develop into a top forward. And with Mikey Moore, we are blessed! I'd add Luca Williams Barnett into the conversation.

The reason Daniel's name is being floated in conversation is that he signs the checks/directs the flow of cash.
As I have said before, I am somewhat at peace with it all. We are who we are, Daniel operates how he operates. But when people start getting tinkled off about Ange and inconsistency, I think it is important to point out where the foibles lie.

If we're going to leave our operations as they are, then it is imperative Ange gets the time he needs (IMO this season and next at least - unless we're staring at relegation). But I am not sure people are brave enough. We shall see my friend...
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I'd forgotten about Calafiori - is a player going to choose us over Arsenal at this juncture? I mean given a choice between going to Spurs, a EL club, to be a VdV back up or to go down the road and be a starting XI player for a club competing for the PL title?
 
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