Daniel Levy - Chairman

[Finney Is Back]

Were we doing that in the two years we nearly won it?

Nearly won? Do not kid yourself. Though I suspect we would've come much closer (perhaps even won the title) in those two years we finished 3rd and 2nd under Pochettino had we been operating a much higher wage bill that would've meant a better recruitment structure and players.

 

[Baleforce]

Nearly won? Do not kid yourself. Though I suspect we would've come much closer (perhaps even won the title) in those two years we finished 3rd and 2nd under Pochettino had we been operating a much higher wage bill that would've meant a better recruitment structure and players.

Maybe.

But it’s not a guarantee, as the clubs that did have that in place still finished behind us.

 

[Finney Is Back]

And maybe we can’t afford to do that
What we need to do is be clever
But the right players
Develop the team over time
Work the plan
Arsenal have done that and got close
No reason we can’t

I'm pretty sure that we can afford it from an FFP perspective. It does require the owners to inject some equity however as from a cash flow perspective we cannot. Would be lovely if uncle Joe would dilute his holding for an equity injection, surely that particular billionaire has increased his net worth by more than enough from his ownership of THFC and can give something back to 'the club he loves'?

 

[Finney Is Back]

He’s pulling up trees in Spain. He would have been a major player for us. Unfortunately Chelsea will not do business with Levy. A lot of clubs won’t. A club names a price. Levy agrees then decides at the last minute he needs a sweetner to sugar the deal. Clubs are exasperated with his pointless tactics to save 2 million. Look at Villa and Grealish. He passed at 26 million…Imagine us having Grealish and Gallagher in the team.

That's not true. Chelsea were prepared to sell him to Spurs.

The price we could've got Grealish for at the very start of the window was actually £20 million. The player wanted to come, Pochettino really wanted him (he saw him as an Eriksen replacement) and the player's agent was really trying to make the deal happen. We were also interested in Maddison and passed over him to instead go for Grealish. Leicester then nipped in and signed Maddison (for the same sort of money that Villa wanted (needed at the time!) for Grealish, while we then spent over a month lowballing Villa until they eventually attracted new owners and no longer needed any money.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Maybe.

But it’s not a guarantee, as the clubs that did have that in place still finished behind us.

Not all of them. Arsenal finished above us the first year and Chelsea the second year. Both were operating far higher wage bills than us which gave both of them deeper squads of quality. Pochettino was also an incredible manager for us, probably worth a 2 place improvement to us in terms of league finishes.

 

[Bishop]

Maybe.

But it’s not a guarantee, as the clubs that did have that in place still finished behind us.

I don't think the idea is that it's any form of guarantee but the idea is if we a bigger budget we could have added to the squad we already had and the relative lack of depth is exactly where that team failed.

 

[Baleforce]

I don't think the idea is that it's any form of guarantee but the idea is if we a bigger budget we could have added to the squad we already had and the relative lack of depth is exactly where that team failed.

It’s certainly a fair argument.

But the financial model we’ve employed has got us this far. Stick with what’s working.

 

[Jurgen the German]

It’s certainly a fair argument.

But the financial model we’ve employed has got us this far. Stick with what’s working.

Stick with the model that hasn’t got us over the line you mean?

 

[metalgear]

It’s certainly a fair argument.

But the financial model we’ve employed has got us this far. Stick with what’s working.

its really not working we are mid table. if we stick with ange we need better players who can overcome his lack of tacticial nous

 

[Baleforce]

its really not working we are mid table. if we stick with ange we need better players who can overcome his lack of tacticial nous

Personally, I think Ange is the problem right now.

 

[Baleforce]

Stick with the model that hasn’t got us over the line you mean?

Getting anywhere near the line seemed impossible when we started with this model.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Getting anywhere near the line seemed impossible when we started with this model.

Yeah I think most right minded people would agree they’ve done great to get us competing again but we can’t continue indefinitely with the same owners/model if it doesn’t eventually get us over the line. If the manager or the players aren’t getting the job done then eventually they are replaced.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I'm pretty sure that we can afford it from an FFP perspective. It does require the owners to inject some equity however as from a cash flow perspective we cannot. Would be lovely if uncle Joe would dilute his holding for an equity injection, surely that particular billionaire has increased his net worth by more than enough from his ownership of THFC and can give something back to 'the club he loves'?

We have the head room in PSR but it doesn’t wan we can afford it
The impression I get with the Lewis family is they are stepping back on their investments due to his age (I assume)
We know he isn’t a football man

 

[Bedfordspurs]

The same place you did. If you look at that chart, Manchester United wage bill is 80m a year more than our own and City's 172m more.

sorry
I assumed you were referring to league table

 

[braineclipse]

Yeah I think most right minded people would agree they’ve done great to get us competing again but we can’t continue indefinitely with the same owners/model if it doesn’t eventually get us over the line. If the manager or the players aren’t getting the job done then eventually they are replaced.

I guess it depends on when we think they got us "competing again".

Under Jol, Redknapp or Pochettino? How long have we been "competing again" and failed to get over the line?

To me although we were competing again under Pochettino that was mostly due to us massively over performing our financial situation. Financially we've been competing again (still at a financial disadvantage) since the stadium got finished. Though that came at a cost and a host of footballing issues to overcome before competing financially could get us back to competing on the pitch.

Although Levy has been here for a long time, longer then many Spurs fans have been alive, we're still fairly early in the "competing again" phase, at least from one perspective.

We're currently struggling for consistency on the pitch, but I also think we're the closest we've been to building a team that can consistently compete since Pochettino. For me a time to continue building and developing.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I guess it depends on when we think they got us "competing again".

Under Jol, Redknapp or Pochettino? How long have we been "competing again" and failed to get over the line?

To me although we were competing again under Pochettino that was mostly due to us massively over performing our financial situation. Financially we've been competing again (still at a financial disadvantage) since the stadium got finished. Though that came at a cost and a host of footballing issues to overcome before competing financially could get us back to competing on the pitch.

Although Levy has been here for a long time, longer then many Spurs fans have been alive, we're still fairly early in the "competing again" phase, at least from one perspective.

We're currently struggling for consistency on the pitch, but I also think we're the closest we've been to building a team that can consistently compete since Pochettino. For me a time to continue building and developing.

I’d say we started to turn the corner under Jol. We became a consistent team under Redknapp and real challengers under Poch.

I guess the question is how long do people accept being at this level of being close but not close enough? Interesting that people want to dispense with players and managers after a year/2 years/3 years but Levy gets an indefinite stay. Feels like people would be happy to never see us win anything ever again as long as we are competing which I really don’t understand, you only live once.

 

[Baleforce]

I’d say we started to turn the corner under Jol. We became a consistent team under Redknapp and real challengers under Poch.

I guess the question is how long do people accept being at this level of being close but not close enough? Interesting that people want to dispense with players and managers after a year/2 years/3 years but Levy gets an indefinite stay. Feels like people would be happy to never see us win anything ever again as long as we are competing which I really don’t understand, you only live once.

For me, I can easily see how what Levy is going can work, I have trust in him and the model.

I don’t always have that with the manager.

 

[Jurgen the German]

For me, I can easily see how what Levy is going can work, I have trust in him and the model.

I don’t always have that with the manager.

Just seems a bit naive to think it’s eventually going to work when it hasn’t for 20+ years. Maybe you are the most patient person in the world would you be happy with being what we are now and what we have been for the the last 10-15 years even if we don’t win anything? Let’s say the next 10 years bring zero trophies.

 

[Baleforce]

Just seems a bit naive to think it’s eventually going to work when it hasn’t for 20+ years. Maybe you are the most patient person in the world would you be happy with being what we are now and what we have been for the the last 10-15 years even if we don’t win anything? Let’s say the next 10 years bring zero trophies.

Most of that time was about the stadium build, that’s the keystone, and we are only starting to use that additional revenue now.

 

[braineclipse]

I’d say we started to turn the corner under Jol. We became a consistent team under Redknapp and real challengers under Poch.

I guess the question is how long do people accept being at this level of being close but not close enough? Interesting that people want to dispense with players and managers after a year/2 years/3 years but Levy gets an indefinite stay. Feels like people would be happy to never see us win anything ever again as long as we are competing which I really don’t understand, you only live once.

I don't think any fan would be happy with us not winning anything ever again.

As long as there's good signs of progress I'm happy enough with who are in charge. There have been mistakes, as there always are. But now we seem to be moving in a good direction again.