Daniel Levy - Chairman

[Bedfordspurs]

You're making excuses no team ever has a fully fit first 11 available consistently. What demonstrates how good a side or squad is how they perform across the range of games. For us to be pretty damn good we haven't shown that in these 11 matches + cup games.

maybe read the post I was responding too

 

[Bishop]

maybe read the post I was responding too

But you're making excuses, "but we haven't had everyone fit" so what? No one ever does. You know as well as I do that isn't the way football works. The on paper qualities are irrelevant, the only thing that actually matters are the results and performances on the pitch. So saying we haven't had a fully first 11 is a moot point, we never will and no ever does not even Liverpool (missing their first choice keeper, missing the best finisher).

 

[Bedfordspurs]

But you're making excuses, "but we haven't had everyone fit" so what? No one ever does. You know as well as I do that isn't the way football works. The on paper qualities are irrelevant, the only thing that actually matters are the results and performances on the pitch. So saying we haven't had a fully first 11 is a moot point, we never will and no ever does not even Liverpool (missing their first choice keeper, missing the best finisher).

No I’m not
I’ve said whence have a fit team we have seen we can beat anyone
But we have also had many chunks of the last year without a fit team and turned in some shockers
That’s context
That’s factually correct, unless you’re gonna correct me?
We also had a fully fit team vs palace IIRC and were horrendous
What I also said was the squad has gaps
Which again I think you may agree is true?
And that is where issues arise with injuries
Arsenal and city missing one key player has broken them…. That’s scary for club that have invested so much
And of course as we don’t buy anyone we suffer more (yes I’m being sarcastic)
Are pool missing Salah?

 

[Bishop]

No I’m not
I’ve said whence have a fit team we have seen we can beat anyone
But we have also had many chunks of the last year without a fit team and turned in some shockers
That’s context
That’s factually correct, unless you’re gonna correct me?
We also had a fully fit team vs palace IIRC and were horrendous
What I also said was the squad has gaps
Which again I think you may agree is true?
And that is where issues arise with injuries
Arsenal and city missing one key player has broken them…. That’s scary for club that have invested so much
And of course as we don’t buy anyone we suffer more (yes I’m being sarcastic)
Are pool missing Salah?

I largely agree but I just don't think the source of our problems is players missing through injuries. Injuries happen they are never an excuse because it's the nature of all professional sports.

Jota is their best finisher and they haven't missed him but that's not really my point. My only point in my response to you is that mentioning injuries is a total irrelevance. With or without injuries we've equally good or poor. The injuries are not a key factor, the quality of the playing squad is (and the tactics we employ).

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I largely agree but I just don't think the source of our problems is players missing through injuries. Injuries happen they are never an excuse because it's the nature of all professional sports.

Jota is their best finisher and they haven't missed him but that's not really my point. My only point in my response to you is that mentioning injuries is a total irrelevance. With or without injuries we've equally good or poor. The injuries are not a key factor, the quality of the playing squad is (and the tactics we employ).

Depth is a huge issue
Curious can’t fix it quickly
No club has as far as I’m aware
Every club suffers when injuries occur, more so with key players
Pool when VVD was out were poor. Arsenal and city have conceded the title because they have lost Odegard and Rodrii
And I agree Jota is class. Didn’t start much before his injury and will, IMO either take Salahs place wide or become an odd for for what I think slot may do.
What we should really be concerned about is how players who have been here some time and had several coaches still can’t do some really fundamental basics. That would affecting side regardless of tactics. In fact I’d agree with the original post that I referred too that we are average, but at some things

 

[Finney Is Back]

It was in response to the original point of my post about that we don't go out and buy a pile of proven players and just compete for the title immediately, that it takes time. Arteta bought a lot of young/unproven players. He (or Edu) bought a lot (not all) of players that turned out to be poor before they got it right.

I never made any point about the types of players we are or are not buying. I responded only to your point about Arsenal that I don't think is a valid point as (I think) I showed. They've signed both young and proven players over many years now.

 

[Finney Is Back]

It’s being repaired though
Our first 11 is pretty fan good and a match for any side
There is depth in most roles
But there is still work to do
Who would have guessed though that we would lose our frost choice, second choice, third choice, and fourth choice left wingers within a couple of games of each other
Or that someone’s widows meant ww had to weaken the Europa squad by not having out back up full back in it who then got injured and couldn’t cover in the league or cup
Which meant our key CB then gets injured playing in a role he would have
It’s all a knock on
Doesn’t change that fact we have gaps but every squad does
And we aren’t the finished article yet by some way

Ange has always been clear that he needed 5 or 6 transfer windows. I agree with him completely.

We are now 3 windows in and I'd say we are at least 50% to 60% done in terms of building a team and squad that can properly challenge for trophies across multiple fronts. If we spend similar money in the next three windows as we spent in the last 3 then I think we'll be there.

 

[Finney Is Back]

But it is not, it's bang average...

Pretty damn good sides don't have a 50/50 win lose avarage over the last 30 odd games.

There could be many arguments as to the reason why.

It could be that the coaches are not getting their ideas across effectively...

It could be that the players are actually limited...

Who knows, but recently their attitude towards games has been poor and the commitment and effort hasn't been there.

It is folly to look at the last 30 games. Many of those were with a completely different squad.

We should look at this season only, where still our points per game rate still certainly isn't good enough. However the sample size is still quite small and we probably should actually have more points than we do have.

We simply cannot continue with the same rinse and repeat cycle that we've operated for years where we hire a new manager, back them a bit but not to the hilt, don't give them the resources or time to implement their vision, then fire them and get in a new manager who is completely different and wants a whole new set of players. That hasn't got us anywhere.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Ange has always been clear that he needed 5 or 6 transfer windows. I agree with him completely.

We are now 3 windows in and I'd say we are at least 50% to 60% done in terms of building a team and squad that can properly challenge for trophies across multiple fronts. If we spend similar money in the next three windows as we spent in the last 3 then I think we'll be there.

Yep

 

[Bedfordspurs]

It is folly to look at the last 30 games. Many of those were with a completely different squad.

We should look at this season only, where still our points per game rate still certainly isn't good enough. However the sample size is still quite small and we probably should actually have more points than we do have.

We simply cannot continue with the same rinse and repeat cycle that we've operated for years where we hire a new manager, back them a bit but not to the hilt, don't give them the resources or time to implement their vision, then fire them and get in a new manager who is completely different and wants a whole new set of players. That hasn't got us anywhere.

So your saying, have a plan and stick to it

 

[Finney Is Back]

How many teams have been able to play their best 11 consistently over the last few months?

I wouldn’t say our team is bang average but it’s not as good as many on here think. We don’t have a single world class player or anyone even close to world class. We have a team of good players but not one exceptional player. I don’t think our first eleven is a match for the top 3 when everyone has their best players on the pitch.

Two new players would make this team really good I think....

A good keeper (Kelleher is probably available and better than Vicario by quite a margin).
A real top class central midfield player who is positionally sound and can receive and keep the ball when under pressure. We should be rolling out the red carpet for Kimmich and making him our best paid player ever as I really do believe he would be transformational for us.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Two new players would make this team really good I think....

A good keeper (Kelleher is probably available and better than Vicario by quite a margin).
A real top class central midfield player who is positionally sound and can receive and keep the ball when under pressure. We should be rolling out the red carpet for Kimmich and making him our best paid player ever as I really do believe he would be transformational for us.

I rate Vicario so for me he isn’t a priority
But just any player we can get in who will lead would be huge .. massive
I would like Kelleher by the way so no complaints
Kimmich would be a dream
I also would like Fabian Ruiz who can do everything
We do do have an issue in the attacking area that may need fixing with Sonny. His contract is up and he struggles with possession football

 

[Finney Is Back]

So your saying, have a plan and stick to it

Yes but I don't think our chairman is brave enough (he's proved that time and time again and proved it royally with Poch who had an abundance of credit in the bank).

I also don't think our fans are brave enough. I can see that on here, where a bunch already seem to want Ange gone and there are another bunch who will join them if we lose 2 or 3 of our next 4 or 5 league games.

I wasn't particularly enamored when Ange joined. I didn't think his career did anything like enough to merit a job at a big PL club like ours. However we brought him in and have somewhat backed him so far. It would be ludicrous to repeat the same cycle we've repeatedly followed under Levy, having to go back to square one again. Let's actually ride the horse that we've picked this time. You never know it might even work and we might win a trophy of two, the alternative certainly hasn't worked so perhaps we should stop constantly doing it.

 

[Batspur]

Two new players would make this team really good I think....

A good keeper (Kelleher is probably available and better than Vicario by quite a margin).
A real top class central midfield player who is positionally sound and can receive and keep the ball when under pressure. We should be rolling out the red carpet for Kimmich and making him our best paid player ever as I really do believe he would be transformational for us.

We should have made a serious bid for Conor Gallagher in the summer. It was so obvious he was the player we needed. But levy gonna levy.

 

[Bishop]

We should have made a serious bid for Conor Gallagher in the summer. It was so obvious he was the player we needed. But levy gonna levy.

He's not a DM, he's not the player we need. We need a DM. An Ederson or Fabian Ruiz etc. Gallagher would be more of the same.

 

[Muttley]

As one of the new posters, what I find intriguing about this thread is that the focus is still very much on Levy as we relate it to things like the manager, the on-pitch performance etc. I bet it's the same on every other forum though.

I'd love to hear other people's view on what Scott Munn's role is compared to what Levy's role is nowadays. Perhaps I'm being naive but I though Munn is now like a MD of Football at Spurs. His job title is Chief Football Officer and he a member of the board. As far as I can see, he runs the football business unit and has full strategy and budgetary control. Levy has supposedly vacated that "operations" space at this stage.

What is also implied is that Ange and Lange report directly to Munn. Reading between the lines, it was Munn that recommended and appointed Ange even though he wasn't quite in role yet at THFC. Munn also recruited his own DoF in Lange.

So are we perhaps overstating Levy's current involvement or do people still think he is still very tactically involved day to day?

 

[Jordinho]

We should have made a serious bid for Conor Gallagher in the summer. It was so obvious he was the player we needed. But levy gonna levy.

It's also fairly obvious he didn't want to leave Chelsea and certainly not to go to us.

 

[Jordinho]

As one of the new posters, what I find intriguing about this thread is that the focus is still very much on Levy as we relate it to things like the manager, the on-pitch performance etc. I bet it's the same on every other forum though.

I'd love to hear other people's view on what Scott Munn's role is compared to what Levy's role is nowadays. Perhaps I'm being naive but I though Munn is now like a MD of Football at Spurs. His job title is Chief Football Officer and he a member of the board. As far as I can see, he runs the football business unit and has full strategy and budgetary control. Levy has supposedly vacated that "operations" space at this stage.

What is also implied is that Ange and Lange report directly to Munn. Reading between the lines, it was Munn that recommended and appointed Ange even though he wasn't quite in role yet at THFC. Munn also recruited his own DoF in Lange.

So are we perhaps overstating Levy's current involvement or do people still think he is still very tactically involved day to day?

I think those that have made up their mind about Levy being the problem will look to link everything that goes wrong to him until the day he leaves and probably after as well.

As for Munn and Lange, we can't really judge them for a few seasons yet. We need to properly rebuild the squad now that we finally have the stadium income flowing.

 

[camspur]

As one of the new posters, what I find intriguing about this thread is that the focus is still very much on Levy as we relate it to things like the manager, the on-pitch performance etc. I bet it's the same on every other forum though.

I'd love to hear other people's view on what Scott Munn's role is compared to what Levy's role is nowadays. Perhaps I'm being naive but I though Munn is now like a MD of Football at Spurs. His job title is Chief Football Officer and he a member of the board. As far as I can see, he runs the football business unit and has full strategy and budgetary control. Levy has supposedly vacated that "operations" space at this stage.

What is also implied is that Ange and Lange report directly to Munn. Reading between the lines, it was Munn that recommended and appointed Ange even though he wasn't quite in role yet at THFC. Munn also recruited his own DoF in Lange.

So are we perhaps overstating Levy's current involvement or do people still think he is still very tactically involved day to day?

Levy holds the purse strings, Munn may be MD of Football but when it comes to parting with cash Levy is the boss.

 

[Muttley]

Levy holds the purse strings, Munn may be MD of Football but when it comes to parting with cash Levy is the boss.

Not my understanding. Munn has budgetary control over football operations. As the boss, Levy will be doing CEO level checks on Scott's P&L, but he is not running it.

However, I think you've nailed the topic that is on everyone's mind.

What would happen if Munn went to Levy and say that he's decided to spend £100m on a 26 year old and give him £300k a week for the next 5 years? This is surely all within what has been agreed in our CFO's job description.