Daniel Levy - Chairman

[DubSpur]

(note: *if it were true*. I'm not saying he is or is not possessed of ASD, just that it wouldn't surprise me).

Not quite - more 20 long years of public comms, appearances and descriptions of how he behaves by people who work with him. And yes, he *might* be on the spectrum is the right term - I freely admit I cannot diagnose him with anything myself. Just that it wouldn't surprise me if he was. Indeed, *if* he was, I sympathize - I know how tough it can be.
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Look at your words "possessed of ASD" "I sympathize" you are being derogatory of those on the spectrum.

I disagree with your viewpoint on a lot of things to do with our club, it's normal and it has never swayed my view of you as a person, but that you view anyone that is on the spectrum as "possessed" and worthy of your sympathy, well that changes my opinion and you sir are at best ignorant and at worst a clam.

 

[Robspur12]

You are blaming Levy for the above. Guys step back and away from football. When you have found your balance, return. You are remembering Pochettino at one point. Now think back to the Pochettino in his last 13 months. You really want that Pochettino back? Do the players want that guy back? Do the youth squad want that guy back? To say this is something bad for Spurs and then to blame Levy because you didn't get your way - LOL. And for your info I do have problems with Daniel on the timing of his firing Mourinho.

Oh dear this nonsense again. That would be the 13 months when he reached the Champions League Final and finished 4th. Short memories on here or perhaps they are just selective ones. It's one thing not to have liked Poch or not to have wanted it back that's perfectly fine. But let's not claim it was a decision based on football.

 

[tommysvr]

Not quite - more 20 long years of public comms, appearances and descriptions of how he behaves by people who work with him. And yes, he *might* be on the spectrum is the right term - I freely admit I cannot diagnose him with anything myself. Just that it wouldn't surprise me if he was. Indeed, *if* he was, I sympathize - I know how tough it can be.

Your post is still ridiculous. 20 years of public communications and interviews doesn’t make a difference. You’ve seen but 1% of the man.

To be honest I thought you might have walked back your post a bit, but you’ve doubled down. Incredible.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Look at your words "possessed of ASD" "I sympathize" you are being derogatory of those on the spectrum.

I disagree with your viewpoint on a lot of things to do with our club, it's normal and it has never swayed my view of you as a person, but that you view anyone that is on the spectrum as "possessed" and worthy of your sympathy, well that changes my opinion and you sir are at best ignorant and at worst a clam.

'Possessed of' is a grammatical term, indicating one possesses something - it doesn't indicate someone is 'possessed'. And I sympathize because, as I said, I have family on the spectrum - I know the struggles folks go through in social situations sometimes when they have ASD. It's tough.

All due respect mate, you're crazily barking up a tree trying to find something that isn't there.

Your post is still ridiculous. 20 years of public communications and interviews doesn’t make a difference. You’ve seen but 1% of the man.

To be honest I thought you might have walked back your post a bit, but you’ve doubled down. Incredible.

Sigh. You know what, you're right, I take it back.

I cannot possibly know if he has ASD, and I shouldn't even attempt to guess.

He's a mediocre deadweight of a chairman who is hurting our club as a henchman to his tax exile boss, let's leave it at that.

I'll put his ineptitude in communications down to his general uselessness, that's it.

 

[Lemonade Money]

Look at your words "possessed of ASD" "I sympathize" you are being derogatory of those on the spectrum.

I disagree with your viewpoint on a lot of things to do with our club, it's normal and it has never swayed my view of you as a person, but that you view anyone that is on the spectrum as "possessed" and worthy of your sympathy, well that changes my opinion and you sir are at best ignorant and at worst a clam.

Definitely a clam.

 

[afsoc4life]

Oh dear this nonsense again. That would be the 13 months when he reached the Champions League Final and finished 4th. Short memories on here or perhaps they are just selective ones. It's one thing not to have liked Poch or not to have wanted it back that's perfectly fine. But let's not claim it was a decision based on football.

Are you kidding me? Are you saying that Spurs had no issues then? Were you on this forum? That CL run covered a lot of stuff. I presume you refer to the decision to not go for him versus the decision to fire him then. I never claimed the decision was based on football. Let's be clear - my thoughts and views on this bunch of Spurs players are clear.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Are you kidding me? Are you saying that Spurs had no issues then? Were you on this forum? That CL run covered a lot of stuff. I presume you refer to the decision to not go for him versus the decision to fire him then. I never claimed the decision was based on football. Let's be clear - my thoughts and views on this bunch of Spurs players are clear.

We absolutely had issues.... We'd allowed the recruitment department of the club to be absolutely decimated and run on a shoestring that many Championship level clubs would laugh at and (probably related to that) also gone ages without signing anyone at all to improve the first team, also losing Dembele in the process. Only to then sack the manager 12 games into the next season before he'd had a chance to integrate the paltry 3 new players he'd finally been given right at the end of the transfer window. We've spent the years since then trying to find a manager who can get somewhere reasonably close to achieving what that sacked manager did.

 

[thfcsteff]

We absolutely had issues.... We'd allowed the recruitment department of the club to be absolutely decimated and run on a shoestring that many Championship level clubs would laugh at and (probably related to that) also gone ages without signing anyone at all to improve the first team, also losing Dembele in the process. Only to then sack the manager 12 games into the next season before he'd had a chance to integrate the paltry 3 new players he'd finally been given right at the end of the transfer window. We've spent the years since then trying to find a manager who can get somewhere reasonably close to achieving what that sacked manager did.

For further reference, see how Liverpool handled Klopp this season when they hit the skids. And see where they might finish now.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

For further reference, see how Liverpool handled Klopp this season when they hit the skids. And see where they might finish now.

TBF he has won them everything in the game

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

Jeez will this circular argument and half truths never end?!

Klopp had half a season of bad form off the back of almost winning a quadruple the season before, along with their first league title in 30 years and a Champions League before that. Plus and possibly most telling of all, he actually still wanted to be at the club!

 

[Bishop]

Jeez will this circular argument and half truths never end?!

Klopp had half a season of bad form off the back of almost winning a quadruple the season before, along with their first league title in 30 years and a Champions League before that. Plus and possibly most telling of all, he actually still wanted to be at the club!

The comments were made in relation to Poch not Conte.

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[Gazza Dazzla]

The comments were made in relation to Poch not Conte.

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So we’re mine

 

[Baleforce]

For further reference, see how Liverpool handled Klopp this season when they hit the skids. And see where they might finish now.

they knew why performances were down, and why they would pick up as soon as winter drug testing stopped

 

[thfcsteff]

Jeez will this circular argument and half truths never end?!

Klopp had half a season of bad form off the back of almost winning a quadruple the season before, along with their first league title in 30 years and a Champions League before that. Plus and possibly most telling of all, he actually still wanted to be at the club!

'Circular argument and half truths' eh?

Let's set these facts out then.
Under Pochettino we went from one entry into the CL to regulars.
We saw investment in the new stadium project suddenly become much easier as the side aggressively over-achieved on a shoe string budget. We actually built a stadium whilst retaining top 4 and nearly winning the league with 86 points (on a shoestring) and homeless for closing in on two seasons. We reached the CL Final and finished top 4 despite a less than shoestring budget. After a tense post-final period of time, Levy apparently made peace with Poch and the two went to work again. Mourinho started slinking around, Poch had a rough run, sacked after what, 12 games?

As for Liverpool, my point stands. They stood behind Klopp despite the brick start. Many said his 7 year dip (no pun) had arrived. They didn't listen.

The TRUTH is that as soon as Mourinho whispered in Daniel's ear that 'he could do better with that squad' Daniel shat himself with joy and couldn't fudging wait! As for whether Poch wanted to be here, I'd say he was pretty fudging angry when he saw Mourinho skulking in the shadows, Daniel twitching, and all the 'advice' being given to Daniel about 'trophy winners'...

You don't have to agree, but this is what happened.

Out of interest, did you think Poch should've been sacked, or did you think he deserved another shot? And would you have had him back?

 

[thfcsteff]

they knew why performances were down, and why they would pick up as soon as winter drug testing stopped

And we didn't?

 

[Baleforce]

And we didn't?

No, our issues were psychological not chemical.

 

[Raziel]

'Circular argument and half truths' eh?

Let's set these facts out then.
Under Pochettino we went from one entry into the CL to regulars.
We saw investment in the new stadium project suddenly become much easier as the side aggressively over-achieved on a shoe string budget. We actually built a stadium whilst retaining top 4 and nearly winning the league with 86 points (on a shoestring) and homeless for closing in on two seasons. We reached the CL Final and finished top 4 despite a less than shoestring budget. After a tense post-final period of time, Levy apparently made peace with Poch and the two went to work again. Mourinho started slinking around, Poch had a rough run, sacked after what, 12 games?

As for Liverpool, my point stands. They stood behind Klopp despite the brick start. Many said his 7 year dip (no pun) had arrived. They didn't listen.

The TRUTH is that as soon as Mourinho whispered in Daniel's ear that 'he could do better with that squad' Daniel shat himself with joy and couldn't fudging wait! As for whether Poch wanted to be here, I'd say he was pretty fudging angry when he saw Mourinho skulking in the shadows, Daniel twitching, and all the 'advice' being given to Daniel about 'trophy winners'...

You don't have to agree, but this is what happened.

Out of interest, did you think Poch should've been sacked, or did you think he deserved another shot? And would you have had him back?

Pool is interesting as a comparison, but not quite what you make it out to be

- Poch's last full season we really struggled, especially from the second half (I could trot out all the awful stats, it wasn't 12 bad games, it was 24), it was covered up by getting the final and limping into end of PL
- Klopp equivalent Pool was seen as one of the best in the world, got to the end in every competition and looked winning it all and walked away with a "disappointment" of only two trophies

Importantly Klopp acknowledged his brick form (lot more media smart than Poch), even played the I must be lucky not to be fired card (took the media questions away), vs. Poch who's interviews went off even before the PL final. I still think Liverpool isn't fixed, will be very interesting to see how their next season goes regardless of where this one ends.

My point re Poch remains the same and I haven't seen anyone answer it

- Name a single manager who has had a good spell for years at a club, run off the rails for a year or so and recovered the club back to the original position or better?

Regardless of credit in the bank, history just says it doesn't happen, that's why the decision had justification.

 

[billyiddo]

Sigh, we're here again

The reason you can't name a manager who has turned it around is because clubs don't wait to find out if they can, not that it can't be done. I'm sure pre PL there may be some examples when the game was less cut throat.

The great managers build teams then rebuild them, given what they need to do so when they need it. Wenger done that a couple of times & Fergie done it several times - i think both would have struggled to rebuild their teams if they didn't get investment at the right time and as we know due to financial constraints we couldn't give that backing - so the options were either fully invest in the managers vision and give him the time to rebuild post stadium move once money was there or to try and eek something more out of a squad & team that was clearly on the wane.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Pool is interesting as a comparison, but not quite what you make it out to be

- Poch's last full season we really struggled, especially from the second half (I could trot out all the awful stats, it wasn't 12 bad games, it was 24), it was covered up by getting the final and limping into end of PL
- Klopp equivalent Pool was seen as one of the best in the world, got to the end in every competition and looked winning it all and walked away with a "disappointment" of only two trophies

Importantly Klopp acknowledged his brick form (lot more media smart than Poch), even played the I must be lucky not to be fired card (took the media questions away), vs. Poch who's interviews went off even before the PL final. I still think Liverpool isn't fixed, will be very interesting to see how their next season goes regardless of where this one ends.

My point re Poch remains the same and I haven't seen anyone answer it

- Name a single manager who has had a good spell for years at a club, run off the rails for a year or so and recovered the club back to the original position or better?

Regardless of credit in the bank, history just says it doesn't happen, that's why the decision had justification.

And yet we haven’t had a manager since Pochettino do as well as Pochettino did. 3 strikes and 3 failures, despite all getting a far higher level of investment into the squad than Pochettino was allowed. I know it’s hard for those on here who we’re vocal about wanting Pochettino out several years ago to admit they were wrong but surely it’s now evident that the problem was ;and still is) very much above him?

 

[Baleforce]

Pool is interesting as a comparison, but not quite what you make it out to be

- Poch's last full season we really struggled, especially from the second half (I could trot out all the awful stats, it wasn't 12 bad games, it was 24), it was covered up by getting the final and limping into end of PL
- Klopp equivalent Pool was seen as one of the best in the world, got to the end in every competition and looked winning it all and walked away with a "disappointment" of only two trophies

Importantly Klopp acknowledged his brick form (lot more media smart than Poch), even played the I must be lucky not to be fired card (took the media questions away), vs. Poch who's interviews went off even before the PL final. I still think Liverpool isn't fixed, will be very interesting to see how their next season goes regardless of where this one ends.

My point re Poch remains the same and I haven't seen anyone answer it

- Name a single manager who has had a good spell for years at a club, run off the rails for a year or so and recovered the club back to the original position or better?

Regardless of credit in the bank, history just says it doesn't happen, that's why the decision had justification.

Sir Alex in his "retirement" year.