A while back there were some stories saying Poch had turned down some players and that was the reason we didn't sign anyone that summer but no idea how true it was. Supposedly Tielmans was offered to him and he said no - how we could do with him now.
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Daniel Levy - Chairman
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A while back there were some stories saying Poch had turned down some players and that was the reason we didn't sign anyone that summer but no idea how true it was. Supposedly Tielmans was offered to him and he said no - how we could do with him now.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Im sure Poch got offered players he didn’t want
I’m also sure he wanted players we could get
It’s normal for all managers
I do think Poch felt he got his fingers burned a bit with other signings that didn’t work out for varying reasons so may have reacted negatively to some signings that may not fit him or he wasn’t 100% on
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
A great idea would be for ENIC to put 10% equity of the club up for sale to fans (£170-200m) with the implication that all that money goes to the transfer funds.
Fans get to be minority owners of the club
Fans fund what they are always screaming for (more of)
ENIC gamble that 10% ie the investment might be wasted/it might send us to new levels? But 10% is barely a ding in their current gain.
metalgear
Luka Modric
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57472902 - not just levy in the hot seat
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Did Poch want him or didn’t he… we don’t knowHiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
ENIC have been here twenty years so let's look at twenty year windows:
50s & 60s: 6 trophies
60s & 70s: 8 trophies
70s & 80s: 6 trophies
80s & 90s: 5 trophies
90s & 00s: 3 trophies (2 of those won pre ENIC)
00s and 10s: 1 trophy
I think the 2010s is the first time that we have spent the entire decade in the top division yet won nothing.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Was that the window that we couldn't even get Grealish over the line?
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
No it was the next window when we could have
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
That's a great idea.... Though I think ENIC would be laughing all the way to the Bank with £200m of cash injected into the club for a mere 10% stake. Not sure a valuation of £2b is feasible with the club now carrying about £1.4b of gross debt (though admittedly I don't know what the cash reserves are).
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
The window when the club couldn't afford Bruno Fernandes?
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
What would you value the club at?
I’d say that if someone came in they would deduct the debt value off any “paper value”. I know I would
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
We tried to get Fernandes in Poch's last window at the club (Summer 2019).
Summer 2018 was the window when Poch was trying to buy Grealish.
You want to do the same thing for Aston villa? Or Everton? Both clubs of similar or bigger stature when Enic took over.
Mate, you are double counting decades? not sure I understand the point of that.
Yes we have "underachieved" under ENIC re trophy count (although not specifically to finals, interesting concept there)
But, and this was the point (not defending ENIC) -> Spurs outside of 30 year period (out of a 139) just does a 1 or 2 a decade. The way that people set expectation on this board is like we have some history of smashing it (we don't, no matter how you twist the data, e.g. Jose had more trophies in his career than we do as a club, Fonseca has 9, we have 17)
If you really want to make the data say something
- Look at number of winners of all trophies per decade over time, I'd suspect (could be entirely wrong), since the inception of the PL (and the money with it), less total clubs have won trophies, i.e. most have been won by a smaller group of clubs (Sky 4), which would be a data point on our diminishing returns.
Why do you want a return on investment?
Isn't that the main drive of this entire fudging thread?
- Levy is an evil, incompetent piece of brick because he wants Spurs to be self sustaining and that fact that he has actually built a model that generates more money to spend in that self sustaining method is irrelevant, until it's his/Lewis money -> fudge them ..
- Levy/Lewis don't get return on investment outside of asset value growth, so why should fans get anything different
So someone suggests, "hey if you so want control, why don't you invest in the club, or build a consortium of supporters, work with the trust to find a model investment into the club" It would be easy enough to propose -> £200M investment for seat on board, x% of shares, with the stipulation the investment goes 100% to team
Facts
- No one wants to do the work
- No one wants to put up their money
- And if they did, fudging hilariously they will ask the question you did "what's my expected return"
Let's return to regularly scheduled programing, until I see Levy pull out his own money .. fudge him ..
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
I'm not sure anyone has called Levy evil or incompetent.
I think we'd all welcome our owners swapping some equity for a cash injection as owners of several PL clubs have done. I don't think any of us are holding our breath that our owners will actually do this. If it happened with £150m being worth 10% equity then I would definitely put up a reasonable portion of money to have some of that equity).