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Daniel Levy - Chairman

Lilbaz said:
They can. I can comment that it will just wind you up and make you angry.
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Talking about something can actually make you less wound up and angry. I don’t get angry about our owners or our chairman as I can do nothing to change them, that doesn’t mean I should bottle up any misgivings I have about them however.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Talking about something can actually make you less wound up and angry. I don’t get angry about our owners or our chairman as I can do nothing to change them, that doesn’t mean I should bottle up any misgivings I have about them however.
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Fair enough. But don't expect them to become a roman or sheikh. They are an investment company. We as a club are self sustainable we are not run the same way. Even the most hard core enic supporter will probably be happy if a new owner comes in and splashes the cash.
Allegedly enic are looking for buyers.
At the moment there are none.
Levy chose to invest in training ground and stadium rather than players. Which from their point is the right decision. From fans who want trophies it wasn't. Levys job is to grow the club sustainably. He's done fantastically at it.
Other owners have taken a different approach, throw money at it. For city, chelsea, leicester it's worked. For the likes of everton and qpr it hasn't.

Over 20 years levy has made loads of mistakes. Which we all know. But so has everyone. But he is doing the job that he has been asked. No point being angry about it. Same as no point being angry with a player that isn't as skillful as the one you wanted. Not his fault. As long as he tries his best support him.
 
Lilbaz said:
Fair enough. But don't expect them to become a roman or sheikh. They are an investment company. We as a club are self sustainable we are not run the same way. Even the most hard core enic supporter will probably be happy if a new owner comes in and splashes the cash.
Allegedly enic are looking for buyers.
At the moment there are none.
Levy chose to invest in training ground and stadium rather than players. Which from their point is the right decision. From fans who want trophies it wasn't. Levys job is to grow the club sustainably. He's done fantastically at it.
Other owners have taken a different approach, throw money at it. For city, chelsea, leicester it's worked. For the likes of everton and qpr it hasn't.

Over 20 years levy has made loads of mistakes. Which we all know. But so has everyone. But he is doing the job that he has been asked. No point being angry about it. Same as no point being angry with a player that isn't as skillful as the one you wanted. Not his fault. As long as he tries his best support him.
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Your right levy has made mistakes over the years and again you are right about everyone making them. The way i see it though is that he has made far more good things happen for our club then bad. I have been around a long time and can see with my own eyes the progress we have made as a club under his leadership, of course we have further to go but i am confident he will take us there.
 
SteveAWOL said:
That was merely papering over the cracks from back when Pochettino desperately wanted our chairman to be brave and upgrade the furniture before it became decrepit… but instead we dithered for a whole year, whilst our peers kept on investing in their squad and have the silverware to show for it…

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Mix that with wages too. You'd be onto something.
 
We do have different categories of owners though (bit drunk bear with me.

- the ones that want to pilfer. Glazers at utd, burnleys new owners

- the ones that want to make a profit by growing the brand (enic, kss).

- the ones that buy for political reasons.

- the degenerate gamblers.

- want to be famous.

None of them care about the fans. They don't owe us anything. It might be a team we love, generations have. But at the end of the day it's a circus. They put on a show, we turn up or we don't.

Very drunk so ignore me.
 
Lilbaz said:
Fair enough. But don't expect them to become a roman or sheikh. They are an investment company. We as a club are self sustainable we are not run the same way. Even the most hard core enic supporter will probably be happy if a new owner comes in and splashes the cash.
Allegedly enic are looking for buyers.
At the moment there are none.
Levy chose to invest in training ground and stadium rather than players. Which from their point is the right decision. From fans who want trophies it wasn't. Levys job is to grow the club sustainably. He's done fantastically at it.
Other owners have taken a different approach, throw money at it. For city, chelsea, leicester it's worked. For the likes of everton and qpr it hasn't.

Over 20 years levy has made loads of mistakes. Which we all know. But so has everyone. But he is doing the job that he has been asked. No point being angry about it. Same as no point being angry with a player that isn't as skillful as the one you wanted. Not his fault. As long as he tries his best support him.
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I never have. It has always been clear that making as much money as possible is their primary aim. Hopefully one day soon they will feel they have maximized their return and accept a decent offer, until then we’ll bumble along in 6th(ish) place, I’ll continue to buy my (most expensive in PL) ST and support the team.
 
Lilbaz said:
We do have different categories of owners though (bit drunk bear with me.

- the ones that want to pilfer. Glazers at utd, burnleys new owners

- the ones that want to make a profit by growing the brand (enic, kss).

- the ones that buy for political reasons.

- the degenerate gamblers.

- want to be famous.

None of them care about the fans. They don't owe us anything. It might be a team we love, generations have. But at the end of the day it's a circus. They put on a show, we turn up or we don't.

Very drunk so ignore me.
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KSS have just brought in capital by diluting their investment.... the opposite of what ENIC have just done in loading even more debt on to Spurs.

The biggest difference in the different sets of owners though are that most of them have their primary goal as winning trophies.
 
Lilbaz said:
We do have different categories of owners though (bit drunk bear with me.

- the ones that want to pilfer. Glazers at utd, burnleys new owners

- the ones that want to make a profit by growing the brand (enic, kss).

- the ones that buy for political reasons.

- the degenerate gamblers.

- want to be famous.

None of them care about the fans. They don't owe us anything. It might be a team we love, generations have. But at the end of the day it's a circus. They put on a show, we turn up or we don't.

Very drunk so ignore me.
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That's fine. so why do so many posters not tolerate any critique of our owners then
 
Robspur12 said:
That's fine. so why do so many posters not tolerate any critique of our owners then
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The Cult of Levy is strong.

For so many years we've convinced ourselves of how far ahead of the curve Levy was, how innovative his methods were. How he wouldn't be taken advantage of in transfer dealings but it's all just part of footballer's rather clichéd tribal nature.

If Levy were Arsenal's chairman and had made all of the same decisions and worked exactly the same in the windows and we had seen the same drop off I don't believe the same fans would be singing his praises from a 3rd party perspective.
 
Bishop said:
The Cult of Levy is strong.

For so many years we've convinced ourselves of how far ahead of the curve Levy was, how innovative his methods were. How he wouldn't be taken advantage of in transfer dealings but it's all just part of footballer's rather clichéd tribal nature.

If Levy were Arsenal's chairman and had made all of the same decisions and worked exactly the same in the windows and we had seen the same drop off I don't believe I think that I am a better football fan than the rest of you would be singing his praises from a 3rd party perspective.
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Not helpful or contributing

Some people point out the brick that is thrown at Levy, e.g. in this thread
- Levy has too big an ego to use a DoF (the fudging guy brought the DoF concept to UK)
- Levy needs to learn from Pool re hiring Olympic quality medical staff (something we did over a decade ago)
- Three weeks ago, Everton was a better run club than us
- Three weeks ago, no manager would come take the job, now Conte isn't good enough
- Look at Pool, not dithering, need a CB -> go out and buy it, a few pages earlier when linked with players -> look at fudging Levy, buying players without the new managers buy in.
- X club built a stadium and didn't have same challenges (google search shows x club was given stadium for free by City/Government)

But hey, point that out and you are "pro-Levy" in a "cult of Levy" .. seriously?

There is more than enough legitimate critiques of ENIC/Levy to have a real discussion vs. sounding like a child "wah, wah, not enough spend, look at club x (without the slightest research)" and then claiming anyone with a different opinion is in a cult.

Re your example
- Scum chairman did not anticipate multi-use scenarios for the stadium as well as we did
- They got brick interest rates
- The real estate investment was timed wrong
- They hired an ex-player with zero managerial experience and have given him multiple years
- They spent £70M on fudging Pepe
- They brought in David Luis on huge wages
- They had the Ozil saga for how many years
- They gave a huge contract to a striker that is older than Bale
- They have finished below us now for 6 seasons in a row, failed to qualify for any form of Europe for first time in over two decades (and still haven't fired their manager)
- But someone will point out, "but, they won the FA cup the season before"

Yeah, if Levy did that, I'm quite sure he would get brick
 
Not sure why some take criticism of Levy/ENIC so personally. Almost like we are being critical of a family member. I love Apple but I wouldn’t take any offence if someone were to critique Tim Cook’s business model or any of his methods. At the end of the day we support Spurs, not ENIC. They are a business and it’s always baffled me how passionate people are about them. I started following football because I inherited it from my Dad but I also remember us winning the FA cup in 1991. That’s my first memory of football so maybe it set me up for a fall and I just assumed that’s how it would always be following Spurs and I accept that but I do partly watch football because it’s nice to root for a team and the joy it gives you when they win. I didn’t start watching football because I enjoy business entities improve balance sheets and improve infrastructure, although those things are perfectly fine and nice when the club does grow.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Not sure why some take criticism of Levy/ENIC so personally. Almost like we are being critical of a family member. I love Apple but I wouldn’t take any offence if someone were to critique Tim Cook’s business model or any of his methods. At the end of the day we support Spurs, not ENIC. They are a business and it’s always baffled me how passionate people are about them. I started following football because I inherited it from my Dad but I also remember us winning the FA cup in 1991. That’s my first memory of football so maybe it set me up for a fall and I just assumed that’s how it would always be following Spurs and I accept that but I do partly watch football because it’s nice to root for a team and the joy it gives you when they win. I didn’t start watching football because I enjoy business entities improve balance sheets and improve infrastructure, although those things are perfectly fine and nice when the club does grow.
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Mate, call names, if not wrong assumptions would be made

- Yes we all love Spurs, and if you love Spurs you should (my biggest peeve) care enough to be legitimate with your criticism (otherwise it's not helpful)

Let me use your example, I dislike Apple, I think they are an awful company with horrible business practices and don't give a fudge about their customers and I could give examples of factories that have suicide nets to prevent their workers from killing themselves, repeated failure to address flaws and blame on user (e.g. famous line -> you are holding the phone wrong, failing to address issues in monitor screens for years of production)

- Those are legitimate complaints/accusations

However if I came along and said

- they make a bricky phone
- they have a poor ecosystem supporting their devices
- they don't have enough apps

What would be your response, and if you answered any of those and I just said "fudge you, apple fan boy"

That's what is going here, I pointed it out above, people are just "shouting" things at Levy that any Spurs supporter should know simply isn't true

Come up with a list of legitimate issues, that we can all talk about and it's fine but really (and this conclusion was made a long time ago) it seems to come down to some group of people that go after current ownership just want a City/Chelsea model.

But let me be fair and kick it off

- Don't like the fact that Levy switches between extreme managerial styles (Jol -> Ramos -> Harry -> AVB -> Poch -> Jose)
- Don't like that we abandoned DoF model
- Don't like that we haven't been able to sell (more than the issue for buying) players fast enough (Rose, Eriksen, Sissoko, Lamela, CCV, etc.)
 
Raziel said:
Mate, call names, if not wrong assumptions would be made

- Yes we all love Spurs, and if you love Spurs you should (my biggest peeve) care enough to be legitimate with your criticism (otherwise it's not helpful)

Let me use your example, I dislike Apple, I think they are an awful company with horrible business practices and don't give a fudge about their customers and I could give examples of factories that have suicide nets to prevent their workers from killing themselves, repeated failure to address flaws and blame on user (e.g. famous line -> you are holding the phone wrong, failing to address issues in monitor screens for years of production)

- Those are legitimate complaints/accusations

However if I came along and said

- they make a bricky phone
- they have a poor ecosystem supporting their devices
- they don't have enough apps

What would be your response, and if you answered any of those and I just said "fudge you, apple fan boy"

That's what is going here, I pointed it out above, people are just "shouting" things at Levy that any Spurs supporter should know simply isn't true

Come up with a list of legitimate issues, that we can all talk about and it's fine but really (and this conclusion was made a long time ago) it seems to come down to some group of people that go after current ownership just want a City/Chelsea model.

But let me be fair and kick it off

- Don't like the fact that Levy switches between extreme managerial styles (Jol -> Ramos -> Harry -> AVB -> Poch -> Jose)
- Don't like that we abandoned DoF model
- Don't like that we haven't been able to sell (more than the issue for buying) players fast enough (Rose, Eriksen, Sissoko, Lamela, CCV, etc.)
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I wouldn't bother @Raziel. There's no mileage to gain here. Failure to see or hear (or the want to) that every story/situation has two sides, and take all that on board to think things thru to a considered conclusion is not happening here. Emotional conclusions is what's happening. I'll be honest, it's sad that emotional conclusions aren't the conclusions we should be drawing, it's football, and it should all be about just that, emotion. Sadly the game is far from that these days, it has a massive business aspect that has a big say in winning or losing.
You can try, but it's pretty much entrenched. Everything is a stick.

I do wish though that sometimes people would do their own research. Much of what's gone on, is out there, either in facts or good clues that allow a rounded conclusion. Some stuff that gets posted is plainly nonsense, and you can try to engage in discussion to correct that and think you may have got somewhere.....then it all just comes round again, hence my opening line.
 
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