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Daniel Levy - Chairman

It’s easy to spend other people’s money in theory.

We don’t know anybody’s situation but our own. Whether you earn a grand a week or half a million your outgoings will be relative. Thus far this situation is only being approached from one side, I might get furloughed down to a % of my earnings but my rent payment is the same, utilities and food are not reducing in cost.

I don’t understand the need for the backlash against players, they’ve been funnelled through a system their entire careers telling them they are special, that they are worth the money. The point has been made already but we need to be careful here, they are our talent, the primary assets of the club, we need to keep them happy.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Imagine if the players had said we will cut our wages voluntarily... what would levy have done then? offer it to the non playing staff?
im not sure, but I’d hope so
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In an ideal world that would have been the story and Levy (and Jose) would have matched the cut and used that money saving to fully fund the non-playing staff. Happy days.....everyone feels good about themselves.

Instead it gets messy.

Whats our monthly wage bill for Players Jose and Levy?
Whats the monthly wage bill for non-playing staff?
What effort/concession we talking here?

How did the foreign teams come to such a quick agreement?
 
galeforce said:
Whether you earn a grand a week or half a million your outgoings will be relative
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To stick with your relative claim....Say i earn 1k a week and my outgoings are £500 thats very different than earning £500k and my outgoings are £250k a week (not that they would ever be) plus the buffer of whats left is much greater in monetary terms if you take a 20% cut.

Lets be honest most are sitting pretty. i understand they may have to act together. i understand that some of them will have a 'its mine' attitude. But i would confidently predict that 98% of them can afford it.

And at times like this, maybe the thinking goes beyond the pound note?
 
elyid said:
Ha!

Since I posted this I saw that the club have actually offered the stadium and some staff to the NHS free of charge. They're currently using it for some storage.

Odd that didn't get as much news coverage.
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Yes I saw that. And they've been assisting The Felix Project too plus other community support.
 
elyid said:
Ha!

Since I posted this I saw that the club have actually offered the stadium and some staff to the NHS free of charge. They're currently using it for some storage.

Odd that didn't get as much news coverage.
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No surprise for me, there are some who can not wait to have a dig at Levy and that would be difficult to do with that news.
 
mephitis said:
We don't look quite so bad in this summary (ignoring rent-a-gob)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52130206
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Think it’s debatable but it’s a moving feast
Every club is reviewing their position probably daily
What we need is FFP to be fixed still so that clubs can’t be funded by the oil machine and then we will see how many can stand on their feet
Don’t get me wrong this is a time for the billionaires to keep clubs going but it’s counter intuitive to clubs that are genuinely trying to run as a going concern
 
thfcsteff said:
Sadly, for me more "rubber meets the road" stuff here mate.

We saw it in November, and now we're seeing it again.
Billyiddo captured the greater scheme of things, and in that regard, the club should be doing all it can to help the bigger picture, as should our squad and coaching staff.
Look at what some NBA players have done in the US?!!!
Look at what a few of the owners have done?!!!
I don't rake it in but have made sure to do what I can where I can (tip takeout like dine in, paid for a haircut I won't receive and will do so again if this drags out).
If everyone proportionately did what they could then we'd be OK.
I don't see anything in that statement as suggesting we are "doing what we can" to even 50% of what is possible.

I am learning -painfully- that elements of what this club means to me (and stands for) appear to be abstract concepts in the overall view of many.

Burkinshaw's words echo again...
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I totally agree, mate. You said something in November that stuck with me as well - there's a very real divide between people that see football (and by extension the club) as something more than just a business, and those who see it exactly as that - a ruthless, amoral business that should behave as such.

I don't support Wetherspoons, or buy BA shirts, or show up at KPMG offices to sing for their accountants. I don't invest years of my life into heartbreak and joy, agony and delirium, following the fortunes of some payday loan establishment.

I support Tottenham Hotspur - the football club. Which is supposed to be something different from a payday loan store, and behave differently.

Sadly, it seems I'm in the minority, as you may also be. I'm waiting for the day the club slips and starts calling us inelastic customers, because it isn't far away - and because Levy knows that the fans that see it as just a business will applaud.

In the mean-time, like you, I try to do what I can. I volunteer, I deliver things to folks who have to stay in, I work on the national response to this crisis. I do uneconomical things like pay extra for things that won't be delivered for months (if ever) because supporting local businesses is important. No doubt they think me stupid for doing so. But society, and community, matters.

Just a shame the club I love thinks differently.
 
DubaiSpur said:
I totally agree, mate. You said something in November that stuck with me as well - there's a very real divide between people that see football (and by extension the club) as something more than just a business, and those who see it exactly as that - a ruthless, amoral business that should behave as such.

I don't support Wetherspoons, or buy BA shirts, or show up at KPMG offices to sing for their accountants. I don't invest years of my life into heartbreak and joy, agony and delirium, following the fortunes of some payday loan establishment.

I support Tottenham Hotspur - the football club. Which is supposed to be something different from a payday loan store, and behave differently.

Sadly, it seems I'm in the minority, as you may also be. I'm waiting for the day the club slips and starts calling us inelastic customers, because it isn't far away - and because Levy knows that the fans that see it as just a business will applaud.

In the mean-time, like you, I try to do what I can. I volunteer, I deliver things to folks who have to stay in, I work on the national response to this crisis. I do uneconomical things like pay extra for things that won't be delivered for months (if ever) because supporting local businesses is important. No doubt they think me stupid for doing so. But society, and community, matters.

Just a shame the club I love thinks differently.
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Everyone feels like that about their club, that's not where the difference lies.

The difference is between those who do and don't understand that unless they themselves own the club outright, it will be treated as a business by everyone else.
 
DubaiSpur said:
between people that see football (and by extension the club) as something more than just a business, and those who see it exactly as that - a ruthless, amoral business that should behave as such.
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If you wanted Tottenham to be run as a pure football club we would be knocking about in the lower league/championship. Everything and everyone in the Prem is run as an A Moral business. You can praise West Ham for not following our suit on this topic but then look what they did to Upton Park and the Olympic Stadium deal. We would not avail from crocked money from China and Qatar which funds TV deals ans would accept playing in lower leagues, because you can't have the bits you want and not other parts to suit your message.

I for one don't like it all, loads of it I hate a sport now, but it is a Business, every club is without exception, anyone that pays an agent or accepts TV cash from dirty countries are A Moral.

That is a fact, football is not football as you put it, regardless of how we "view" what real football looks like/
 
scaramanga said:
You couldn't be more wrong. Anyone (or any business) that pays taxes should do everything they can to minimise what they pay and maximise what they get back.

The govt will only spaff it up the wall on tracksuit families and giving triple heart bypasses to fat clams.
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Mmm. Thankfully, as we will see, that sort of mentality will be sorely tested by these times. Folks don't like when people dodge societal obligations, especially in a time of crisis.

I pay taxes. I don't nickel and dime it, and I doubt I ever will - I'm sure many on this board would say the same.

Fundamentally, I think societies mean more than 'I'm alright Jack'. But of course, your opinion may differ.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Mmm. Thankfully, as we will see, that sort of meteorology will be sorely tested by these times. Folks don't like when people dodge societal obligations, especially in a time of crisis.

I pay taxes. I don't nickel and dime it, and I doubt I ever will - I'm sure many on this board would say the same.

Fundamentally, I think societies mean more than 'I'm alright Jack'. But of course, your opinion may differ.
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Probably depends on where one lives.

Countries where there are more moose than people seem to like all this sharey carey nonsense. Doesn't appear to be the case in the parts of the world I like to visit.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Mmm. Thankfully, as we will see, that sort of meteorology will be sorely tested by these times. Folks don't like when people dodge societal obligations, especially in a time of crisis.

I pay taxes. I don't nickel and dime it, and I doubt I ever will - I'm sure many on this board would say the same.

Fundamentally, I think societies mean more than 'I'm alright Jack'. But of course, your opinion may differ.
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The club does more in the community than any prem team I believe - they won awards for it
Similarly for example the club gave the NHS the stadium for their use on Monday too (like some other clubs have)
But people are rightly not happy about the club furloughing their staff
And the key is still what the players get paid as that is the drain on the club. It’s no money in vs a LOT going out
Still no premier league players are doing anything collectively to address this and the focus is on the chairman and owners whose hands are tied with the players

as I showed the other day plenty of big business pay their board £ms and their furloughing people too but as their not football business it’s a different story

If people want to judge everything should be judged fairly or not at all
 
Grays_1890 said:
If you wanted Tottenham to be run as a pure football club we would be knocking about in the lower league/championship. Everything and everyone in the Prem is run as an A Moral business. You can praise West Ham for not following our suit on this topic but then look what they did to Upton Park and the Olympic Stadium deal. We would not avail from crocked money from China and Qatar which funds TV deals ans would accept playing in lower leagues, because you can't have the bits you want and not other parts to suit your message.

I for one don't like it all, loads of it I hate a sport now, but it is a Business, every club is without exception, anyone that pays an agent or accepts TV cash from dirty countries are A Moral.

That is a fact, football is not football as you put it, regardless of how we "view" what real football looks like/
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Agreed - football is broken now.

It doesn't mean you can or should accept everything that goes on because football is so broken now that it's just what everyone is doing.

And the ironic thing in this instance is, it isn't what everyone is doing. In one of the most amoral leagues in the world, a majority of clubs have committed to paying their staff in full throughout this crisis.

So far, the outliers have been Norwich City, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Bournemouth, and now Tottenham Hotspur. So even in a league full of ruthless c*nts, we've gone above and beyond in a time when society needs some solidarity.

Truly outstanding.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Agreed - football is broken now.

It doesn't mean you can or should accept everything that goes on because football is so broken now that it's just what everyone is doing.

And the ironic thing in this instance is, it isn't what everyone is doing. In one of the most amoral leagues in the world, a majority of clubs have committed to paying their staff in full throughout this crisis.

So far, the outliers have been Norwich City, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Bournemouth, and now Tottenham Hotspur. So even in a league full of ruthless c*nts, we've gone above and beyond in a time when society needs some solidarity.

Truly outstanding.
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suggest you check the news
they have committed to pay for now... and are reviewing the situation regularly

and as I’ve said before for those clubs that haven’t paid tax.. their gonna struggle to argue to make a claim
And on the flip side they will be using this as an excuse to can FFP so they can pump many more millions than needed in to prop up their not viable clubs
 
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