Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
I'm leaning towards the conspiracy angle as I really do not think they "the machine" want to give back control.
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I'm leaning towards the conspiracy angle as I really do not think they "the machine" want to give back control.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
They work against the variants enough. The question is if we have reached the herd immunity point. Otherwise we both know the R rate is a problem...
Pretty much everyone in an age group with anything but a miniscule risk of hospitalisation has had at least one vaccine. One vaccine drastically reduces the likelihood (from an already tiny risk) of severe consequences.
We're good to go.
johnola
Jermaine Jenas
Data not dates they said and we should have unlocked some time ago.
I’d even now question the save the nhs mantra. It’s not a popular view but it seems evident the nhs failed anyway. It wasn’t swamped with covid cases spilling down the street but nonetheless many many routine procedures did not happen that have led to misery suffering and yes death.
And it also caused bred many infections/covid deaths itself.
It is doomed to failure, we ask too much of it and it’s staff. it cannot cure all of us of all our ailments. It’s function and it’s performance before and during the pandemic needs a good looking at again.
I’d even now question the save the nhs mantra. It’s not a popular view but it seems evident the nhs failed anyway. It wasn’t swamped with covid cases spilling down the street but nonetheless many many routine procedures did not happen that have led to misery suffering and yes death.
And it also caused bred many infections/covid deaths itself.
It is doomed to failure, we ask too much of it and it’s staff. it cannot cure all of us of all our ailments. It’s function and it’s performance before and during the pandemic needs a good looking at again.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
I think the trajectory based on their own rules for opening is now an issue. Although I feel we could be good to go too. I don't think we are at odds on it now.
Case numbers was always a ridiculous measure to work on. We could have 60M infections and 0 hospitalisations but under that measure we couldn't open.
So infections increase and, as night follows day, the teaching unions are insisting they shouldn't be working for their living.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
If they are saying they will keep social distancing there is no point
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I'm looking forward to seeing that managed in nightclubs
Diamond Lights
Alan Hutton
we could have if Boris red listed India. These fudgewits couldn't organise a tinkle up in a brewery.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Absolutely shameless in the week it emerges the true extent that poor children have been left behind.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Yep and we all said it in this very thread. Yet in the local elections people voted for them.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Watch me on the dance floor.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Agreed. We now need to focus on the serious illness. Which is hospitalisations. But we both know there is a lag here. So with case numbers rising we need to consider what the percentage of hospitals per case might be and use that as a measure. If we say that R is increasing enough for us to be back around 50000 cases a day then it's fair to say the NHS will feel that impact of the illnesses from that. And then action will be needed. Let's hope it flattens
Very true. The evidence so far is that the serious case curve will be far shallower than the infections one.
We have to act on that best evidence and adjust if later data change the evidence.
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
Haha when did you last go to a nightclub?
johnola
Jermaine Jenas
Yea we should react now to events not predictions and theories. Let’s see how the virus responds to a vaccinated population.
Quite frankly the sooner the Ganges delta variant rips through the unvaccinated laggards the better.
I can't see it happening, cases going up will lead to more hospital admissions soon enough.
From my point of view I don't mind delaying as I can now go out to eat/drink, see friends and family, go to peoples houses etc. Only think I'm really missing is being able to go back to the office.
