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Coronavirus

I literally live at home with idiots
Doing the eldest's home COVID test, my Mrs has one too, never had one before, read about it anything
So she does it totally wrong, touches the sample with her fingers, etc then says after 2 minutes I'm negative and throws the test away
Tried to tell her it takes 20-30 mins but all I get is I don't know everything, blah blah blah
 
With Boris saying things like 'The Eu spike will wash up on these shores' and 'we will deel the effects', are we being subtly told that there will be future lockdowns or this one will be extended (I think it will anyway) or perhaps both?
 
Not sure i get the question. As someone voted remain, i don't really care about what the EU do or don't do anymore, we're not in it, we're not returning - it has no bearing on me.

A few thoughts on the issue though:

1) it's mainly bluster from the EU, who need to show they're kicking up a fuss given the rooster up of vaccinations their side
2) don't get the UK produced vaccines vs EU produced vaccines? Majority of AZ for UK is coming from UK, whereas in EU majority of their AZ will come from EU plants. The issue at hand is primarily, the EU plants have fallen behind, so the doses commited to the EU cannot be met by the EU plants. Hence the tit-for-tat on this issue
3) the vile and despicable part, again, not sure i understand. The EU does not mandate where pharma make their goods. That really does need stressing. It depends on cold chain logistics and the availability of both ingredients and logistics. That's up to individual private companies. For example, part of Pfizer is made here in UK and shipped abroad
4) If the EU were to stop Pfizer being shipped over, then yes i'd certainly think that's a terrible situation and the EU would be arses for doing it, but again, i don't think it'll come to that, it's mainly bluster. It's no real difference to what the US did with Moderna for example though, hence why we cannot get Moderna over until next month, yet no one seems to mind when the US does it

I'm hoping it is bluster and they sort this out because this could easily spiral out of control, worse than it is now, and bleed into an already fraught UK/EU relationship. Both sides need to tone down the rhetoric, deescalate. Maybe the UK should be leveraging their advantageous position to bank some goodwill for the financial services negotiations because if it gets nastier I could see at least one EU country vetoing the trade agreement (which is not ratified). Let's hope cool heads prevail.

On my original point, this confrontational approach will benefit no one if a vaccine-resistant variant appears because of a supply bottleneck, which is what we have. Imagine the situation where only one vaccine works on a new variant and it is produced in one country. Vaccine funding should have been dependent on letting the successful vaccines be produced anywhere and everywhere. The IP should be waived IMO.
 
With Boris saying things like 'The Eu spike will wash up on these shores' and 'we will deel the effects', are we being subtly told that there will be future lockdowns or this one will be extended (I think it will anyway) or perhaps both?

It does feel that there is an element of expectation-conditioning going on and I can imagine the 12 April date being pushed back. There would have to be data to back it up though and if there is another wave believed to be coming from Europe, then that would show that home-quarantine isn't working? In which case the government should look again at the border policy and hotel quarantine requirements (assuming they won't actually ban travel from Europe).
There was an expert of some kind on Andrew Marr yesterday saying that she expected low-level restrictions (e.g. mask wearing, social distancing) to be in place for another two years. Mask wearing might be doable, but if other restrictions go on much beyond summer I think we will be in for some serious public disorder.

As an aside, whilst I want to believe there wasn't any ill intent in the words, Boris could have chosen a better phrase than "wash up on these shores".
 
Was talking to my Mum, she said a few of her friends had gone onto the NHS Book a Jab site
If you help your parents with shopping, taking them to hospital etc you're an unpaid carer you can get booked up
I just did that as I help my parents and have my 1st jab on Monday evening with my 2nd on June 7th
Just had my Astra Zeneca jab, was a well oiled machine where I went was in and out in 20 minutes
The guy said why are you here, I said I was an unpaid carer, he said all good go get your jab
 
I'm hoping it is bluster and they sort this out because this could easily spiral out of control, worse than it is now, and bleed into an already fraught UK/EU relationship. Both sides need to tone down the rhetoric, deescalate. Maybe the UK should be leveraging their advantageous position to bank some goodwill for the financial services negotiations because if it gets nastier I could see at least one EU country vetoing the trade agreement (which is not ratified). Let's hope cool heads prevail.

On my original point, this confrontational approach will benefit no one if a vaccine-resistant variant appears because of a supply bottleneck, which is what we have. Imagine the situation where only one vaccine works on a new variant and it is produced in one country. Vaccine funding should have been dependent on letting the successful vaccines be produced anywhere and everywhere. The IP should be waived IMO.

The UK Government have been entirely calm and rational. They just happened to have been well marshalled by Kate Bingham, organised early and fortuitous to have sponsored an effective vaccine. They are now being scape goated, maligned and undermined by a bullying European Commission and some leaders of European countries for unspoken but glaringly obvious reasons.
 
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Not sure i get the question. As someone voted remain, i don't really care about what the EU do or don't do anymore, we're not in it, we're not returning - it has no bearing on me.

A few thoughts on the issue though:

1) it's mainly bluster from the EU, who need to show they're kicking up a fuss given the rooster up of vaccinations their side
2) don't get the UK produced vaccines vs EU produced vaccines? Majority of AZ for UK is coming from UK, whereas in EU majority of their AZ will come from EU plants. The issue at hand is primarily, the EU plants have fallen behind, so the doses commited to the EU cannot be met by the EU plants. Hence the tit-for-tat on this issue
3) the vile and despicable part, again, not sure i understand. The EU does not mandate where pharma make their goods. That really does need stressing. It depends on cold chain logistics and availability of both ingredients and logistics. That's up to individual private companies. For example, part of Pfizer is made here in UK and shipped abroad
4) If the EU were to stop Pfizer being shipped over, then yes i'd certainly think that's a terrible situation and the EU would be arses for doing it, but again, i don't think it'll come to that, it's mainly bluster. It's no real difference to what the US did with Moderna for example though, hence why we cannot get Moderna over until next month, yet no one seems to mind when the US does it

Actually stopped reading mate after you said it is mainly bluster, interesting you said mainly not completely.

For the president to come out and use the language she has for one calling out the British but not the Swedish or even actually the company that makes the vaccine, the vaccine they not sure what it is this week whether they do or don't want it.

Now gone on to read some of your other points as thought it not right to respond with out looking through.

It is not the UK's fault the EU's plants are slow, they have not fallen behind though, the EU was late in ordering so that is actually again an EU issue.

Having kept up to date with the issues I'm aware that pharma get ingredients from different countries, does not get away from the fact that the EU that open free thinking club is going down the protectionist racket as it does so often, most notably towards African farmers.

As for moderna I know that is late they have mentioned it several times on Newsnight but I have yet to hear Biden call out the British(rather then the British/Swedish company) for being greedy. Which i heard an EU politician on the BBC news say.

Is it a falsehood that the EU banned EU backed vaccines from being developed on UK soil while a UK government backed vaccine was without question allowed to be produced in Europe. **source the Times newspaper.

The EU's attitude and actions over the vaccine is disgusting and vile.
 
The reality and the impression is quite different. For example, the EU said all existing contracts should be observed. Reading the Sun or listening to people who have an agenda you'd think the EU are holding up exports and taking them away from other nations. They explicitly said: all vaccine contracts should be honoured. What they are simply doing is putting themselves first after this. Is that so bad?

Let's reverse the situation. The UK doesn't have enough vaccine, has fallen way behind its targets because we can't get enough vaccine, but the UK is exporting millions of vaccines a week. Would we say, the UK is despicable and vile for ensuring vaccines we make take care of our elderly first? Or would we celebrate it?

Contracts are being honoured in the way that a private company got orders in, having worked for private companies that is not unusual.

The Sun thing is beneath you, that sort of cultural snobbery is what turns so many off left wing politics which is a shame because the left on the whole have far more progressive and interesting ideas then the right.

I would not wipe my arse with that paper by the way.
 
Contracts are being honoured in the way that a private company got orders in, having worked for private companies that is not unusual.

The Sun thing is beneath you, that sort of cultural snobbery is what turns so many off left wing politics which is a shame because the left on the whole have far more progressive and interesting ideas then the right.

I would not wipe my arse with that paper by the way.

The Sun has had a clear agenda that comes directly from Rupert Murdoch. He has never liked the EU because they don't give a monkies about him; whereas all UK want to be prime ministers court and kowtow to him. He is a kingmaker in the UK. So for decades he has instructed his biggest-selling paper to have a stance on the EU. Farrage is only commonly known because he fell in with Murdoch. Personally I quite like reading it. Especially Dear Deardrie :) Remember the days when transfer gossip and a big Spurs win was best covered with a tabloid?
 
Today I found out that one of my US colleagues (35 year old salesman type) had his jab in the USA and a week later flew from Pennsylvania to Idaho to go skiing for a week.

He is now back at home, suffering from coronavirus.

He works in oncology and had a good education and you would think is not dumb.
 
Then wouldn't my stance on possessions tell you it's not bragging and more to do with enjoying discussing nice things? I don't talk about those things for any reason other than liking talking about them.

Yeah right

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The Sun has had a clear agenda that comes directly from Rupert Murdoch. He has never liked the EU because they don't give a monkies about him; whereas all UK want to be prime ministers court and kowtow to him. He is a kingmaker in the UK. So for decades he has instructed his biggest-selling paper to have a stance on the EU. Farrage is only commonly known because he fell in with Murdoch. Personally I quite like reading it. Especially Dear Deardrie :) Remember the days when transfer gossip and a big Spurs win was best covered with a tabloid?

I can not remember the days of a big spurs win, no.
 
Today I found out that one of my US colleagues (35 year old salesman type) had his jab in the USA and a week later flew from Pennsylvania to Idaho to go skiing for a week.

He is now back at home, suffering from coronavirus.

He works in oncology and had a good education and you would think is not dumb.

But is he American or just living there? Because that would help is answer the question.
 
It is beyond belief that the government are still not properly locking borders down and then Johnson has the cheek to say we won't escape the third wave in Europe.

Well we fcuking well would if you got your act together regards people entering the country you fcuking cretinous macaron.

I favour Starmer for the social reforms side of things but it is getting to the point when the should be a vote of no confidence in the guy. I will allow being slow on the uptake a year ago but this now is just pathetic.
 
It is beyond belief that the government are still not properly locking borders down and then Johnson has the cheek to say we won't escape the third wave in Europe.

Well we fcuking well would if you got your act together regards people entering the country you fcuking cretinous macaron.

As much as it pains me to say it as we have two booked summer holidays abroad need to be scrapped
 
Covid-19 vaccines, vaccine passports and faked negative test papers are being sold on the darknet.

Prices range between $500 (£360) and $750 for doses of AstraZeneca, Sputnik, Sinopharm or Johnson & Johnson jabs.

Fake vaccination certificates are also being sold by anonymous traders for as little as $150.

Researchers say they have seen a "sharp increase" in vaccine-related darknet adverts, while the BBC has been unable to verify if the vaccines are real.

The darknet, also known as the dark web, is a portion of the internet that is only accessible through specific browser tools.

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image captionAn advert on one marketplace claiming to sell Covid-19 vaccines
Researchers at cyber-security company Check Point have monitored hacking forums and other marketplaces since January, when vaccine adverts first appeared.

They say the number of adverts they have seen has more than tripled to more then 1,200.

Sellers of vaccines appear to be from the US, Spain, Germany, France and Russia.

The team found multiple adverts in Russian cyrillic text as well as in English.

The vaccines advertised include the Oxford-AstraZeneca at $500, and Johnson & Johnson and Sputnik each at $600, and Sinopharm at $750.

One seller is offering next-day delivery, saying: "For overnight delivery/emergency leave us a message."'

'Buy two get one free'
Another advert on a hacking forum is offering fake negative tests and reads: "We do negative Covid tests, for travellers abroad, for getting a job etc. Buy two negative tests and get the third for free!"

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image captionVaccination passports and papers are being offered to let people travel freely who've not been jabbed
Some holiday operators require vaccination certificates for passengers.

A vaccine passport system is also being considered in the UK and could be used to allow visitors entry to venues such as bars, or sports stadiums.

European officials have also announced plans for a "Green Digital Certificate". This would allow anyone vaccinated against Covid, or who has tested negative, or recently recovered from the virus, to travel within the EU.

media captionTechnology explained: What is the dark web?
It's no surprise then that faked documents are being offered on the darknet for sale.

Check Point investigators found many sellers offering forged documents, including one supposedly from the UK, with a vaccination card for $150 using the hard-to-trace cryptocurrency Bitcoin as the payment method.

When they got in touch with the seller, the team were told that they just needed to provide their names and some dates for when the fake jabs occurred. The seller messaged: "You don't have to worry…it's our job….we have done this to many people and it's all good."

Oded Vanunu, head of product vulnerabilities research at Check Point said: "It's imperative for people to understand that attempting to obtain a vaccine, a vaccination card or negative Covid-19 test result by unofficial means is extremely risky, as hackers are more interested in your money, information and identity for exploitation."

Mr Vanunu also told the BBC that his team purchased a dose of the Sinopharm vaccine from a vendor for $750 as part of their research, but are yet to receive it.

His team has told the BBC that they believe this seller was a scammer, but say others may or may not be selling real vaccines.

Check Point is urging countries to adopt a QR code system across all vaccine documentation to make forgeries more difficult.
 
With Boris saying things like 'The Eu spike will wash up on these shores' and 'we will deel the effects', are we being subtly told that there will be future lockdowns or this one will be extended (I think it will anyway) or perhaps both?

Professor Neil Ferguson’s pandemic models - derided on here a year ago by the usual suspect(s) - have proved to be remarkably accurate (although, if anything they perhaps underestimated the potential death-rate without lockdowns). He reckons there is a 20% chance of a there being a need for a further lockdown.
 
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