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Champions League 2016/17 - Group E: CSKA Moscow, Bayer Leverkusen, Monaco

glorygloryeze said:
So from the point of view of possibly moving up to pot 2 in the CL draw, are we supporting Liverpool tonight?
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If Sevilla win then, in order to be in Pot 2, we'd need all three of Emirates Marketing Project, Porto and Shakhtar Donetsk to fail to progress past the CL play-offs. If Liverpool win we'd "only" need two of those three teams to get knocked out. In that respect a Liverpool win would be better for us, but I think there are more significant negative factors to a Liverpool win and we would probably still end up in Pot 3 anyway, so I will be supporting Sevilla.
 
jaysea67 said:
If Sevilla win then, in order to be in Pot 2, we'd need all three of Emirates Marketing Project, Porto and Shakhtar Donetsk to fail to progress past the CL play-offs. If Liverpool win we'd "only" need two of those three teams to get knocked out. In that respect a Liverpool win would be better for us, but I think there are more significant negative factors to a Liverpool win and we would probably still end up in Pot 3 anyway, so I will be supporting Sevilla.
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Interesting. What are you referring to here - apart from the annoying Scouse/Klopp-fest that would ensue?
Do you mean competition for transfer targets?
 
glorygloryeze said:
Interesting. What are you referring to here - apart from the annoying Scouse/Klopp-fest that would ensue?
Do you mean competition for transfer targets?
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Smaller share of the money too right? Doesn't each country get £x which gets split between each entrant?
 
In addition to everything else, I'd have to suffer THIS when the Super Cup final comes to town in August:

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Does anyone know whether sides pick up more coeeficent points when they play in the Champions League as opposed to playing in the Europa?

I'm assuming that would be the case so I guess having 5 English sides in the CL would help the coefficient next season much like it did for La Liga when they had it happen.

Still want Liverpool to lose though. We have enough teams who might compete for the pool of players we can attract as it is.
 
galeforce said:
I just want liverpool to lose, at every opportunity
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I agree - but we know it does not work like that.

Tonight will be close.
Even worse, Klopp is getting them looking better and better.
Im begrudgingly having to admit they are improving very quickly.
 
Craig_J said:
Does anyone know whether sides pick up more coeeficent points when they play in the Champions League as opposed to playing in the Europa?

I'm assuming that would be the case so I guess having 5 English sides in the CL would help the coefficient next season much like it did for La Liga when they had it happen.

Still want Liverpool to lose though. We have enough teams who might compete for the pool of players we can attract as it is.
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It's the same points for the wins and draws, but the CL gives extra points for qualifying for the group phase, knockout phase, etc.
 
tractorspur said:
I want Sevilla to win tonight purely to keep Liverpool in the Europa for next season and less attractive in the transfer market
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Unfortunately, they won't be in the Europa league next season if they lose: they finished 8th.

It's a bit of a conundrum: if they win they have Europe to contend with next season, adding more games to their fixture list. But it also allows them to attract better talent, possibly the same talent we would be going after, given our styles are similar. On the other hand, if they lose, we get the satisfaction of them falling short, but it also clears their schedule allowing them more rest and more time for Klopp to mold them into a proper team, and improves their chances of finishing high in the table.
 
alekaras said:
Unfortunately, they won't be in the Europa league next season if they lose: they finished 8th.

It's a bit of a conundrum: if they win they have Europe to contend with next season, adding more games to their fixture list. But it also allows them to attract better talent, possibly the same talent we would be going after, given our styles are similar. On the other hand, if they lose, we get the satisfaction of them falling short, but it also clears their schedule allowing them more rest and more time for Klopp to mold them into a proper team, and improves their chances of finishing high in the table.
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Winning can become a habit.... epecially when it comes to winning trophies. I don't want to see Liverpool picking up this habit.
 
Pot 1:

Atletico or Real Madrid (CL winner)
Barcelona
Bayern
Leicester
Juventus
Benfica
PSG
CSKA Moscow (as Russian champions)

Pot 2:

Real or Atletico Madrid
Dortmund
Arsenal
Emirates Marketing Project
Sevilla
Porto
Napoli
Leverkusen

Pot 3:

Basel
Shaktar Donetsk
Tottenham
Olympiakos
Dinamo Kiev
Lyon
Villarreal
Ajax

Pot 4:

PSV
Sporting
Viktoria Plzen
Club Brugge
Salzburg
Celtic
APOEL Nicosia
Besiktas

The bold ones are guaranteed a place in the group stage.

The rest will have to go through qualifying rounds.

Teams that could/will be involved in the qualifying rounds (as it stands, not all leagues are finished):

Champions (everyone have to go through at least two qualifying rounds): Olympiakos, Viktoria Plzen, Astra Giurgiu, FC Salzburg, Dinamo Zagreb, APOEL Nicosia, Legia Warzawa, Hapoel Beer Sheva, BATE Borisov, FC København, Celtic, IFK Norrköping, Ludogorets Razgrad, Rosenborg, Crvena Zvezda, Olympia Ljubljana, Garabag Agdam, AS Trencin, Ferencvaros, FK Astana, Dacia Chisinau, Dinamo Tbilisi, SJK Seinäjoki, FH Hafnarfjordur, Zrinjski Mostar, Vardar Skopje, Dundalk, Mladost Podgorica, Skenderbeu, F91 Dudelange, Crusaders Belfast, Zalgiris Vilnius, FK Liepaja, Valletta FC, Flora Tallinn, B36 Torshavn, The New Saints, Alashkert FC, FC Santa Coloma, Tre Penne Galazzano, Lincoln Red Imps

Non-champions (the first five enter at the playoff stage, the rest have to play each other for that privilege): Villarreal (ESP), Borussia Mönchengladbach (GER), Emirates Marketing Project (ENG), Porto (POR), Roma (ITA), Monaco (FRA), FC Rostov (RUS), Shaktar Donetsk (UKR), Ajax (NED), Anderlecht (BEL), Young Boys (SUI), Fenerbache (TUR), PAOK (GRE), Sparta Praha (CZE), Steaua Bucuresti (ROM)
 
Based on the post above, its hard to see many or any groups where we wouldn't be third favourites to go through
 
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