AVB's one upfront system doomed for failure at WHL

[indianspur]

2 of our best home performances last season were the 4-0 over Liverpool and the 5-0 against Saudi Sportswashing Machine.....guess what, we played with 2 strikers in both

 

[Roy1983]

2 of our best home performances last season were the 4-0 over Liverpool and the 5-0 against Saudi Sportswashing Machine.....guess what, we played with 2 strikers in both

I know but it will fall on deaf ears here mate.

 

[colin fishwick]

Thats a matter of opinion. Who knows what would have happened if we went 442. Would we have completely lost the midfield?
Normally sticking 2 up gives the opposition defenders twice as much to deal with. But Wigan has 3 central defenders playing today. Would 2 up really have unsettled them the way everyone suggests?

Of course we could have, but it is about the balance of probabilities . If we had Chelsea's midfield, no problem playing 1 up front.

it depends on the players you have at your disposal. We did not have enough who are a goal threat. We could not afford the luxury of taking Defoe off.

If we are chasing a game, I would rather have have him playing right wing than Carrol on.

Dempsey, Hudd , Sigi Carrol as 4 of our front players? Mediocre players who do not scare the opposition.

Look at it this way, If you were a Wigan fan, you would have been pleased to see Defoe subbed and Dempsey stay on.

We should have played ADE and Defoe today because we had a dearth of creative midfielders available .

So you play to your strengths .

 

[Gutter Boy]

The same one upfront that Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Barca, Madrid, Milan, Inter, Juve, Bayern etc. all use at home?

Only having 4 in midfield is doomed to failure, and has been all this century.

Bring in Ade as the forward, bring in some ballplayers in midfield (Carroll and Falque will do till Dembele returns) and we'll see performances and results.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Of course we could have, but it is about the balance of probabilities . If we had Chelsea's midfield, no problem playing 1 up front.

it depends on the players you have at your disposal. We did not have enough who are a goal threat. We could not afford the luxury of taking Defoe off.

If we are chasing a game, I would rather have have him playing right wing than Carrol on.

Dempsey, Hudd , Sigi Carrol as 4 of our front players? Mediocre players who do not scare the opposition.

Look at it this way, If you were a Wigan fan, you would have been pleased to see Defoe subbed and Dempsey stay on.
We should have played ADE and Defoe today because we had a dearth of creative midfielders available .

So you play to your strengths .

Defoe didn't touch the ball all match. Dempsey was at least doing some ugly work.

 

[Spursalot]

The same one upfront that Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Barca, Madrid, Milan, Inter, Juve, Bayern etc. all use at home?

Only having 4 in midfield is doomed to failure, and has been all this century.

Bring in Ade as the forward, bring in some ballplayers in midfield (Carroll and Falque will do till Dembele returns) and we'll see performances and results.

+1

 

[Gutter Boy]

2 of our best home performances last season were the 4-0 over Liverpool and the 5-0 against Saudi Sportswashing Machine.....guess what, we played with 2 strikers in both

As we did when we lost 10 in a row in the spring - when our midfield got carved open week after week.

 

[indianspur]

The same one upfront that Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Barca, Madrid, Milan, Inter, Juve, Bayern etc. all use at home?

Only having 4 in midfield is doomed to failure, and has been all this century.

Bring in Ade as the forward, bring in some ballplayers in midfield (Carroll and Falque will do till Dembele returns) and we'll see performances and results.

doomed to failure?? Crouch and Defoe/Pav/Keane got us CL football a couple of years ago

 

[indianspur]

As we did when we lost 10 in a row in the spring - when our midfield got carved open week after week.

we lost 10 in a row at home in the spring??? must have missed that

 

[Viper]

It's not the fact he started with 4-5-1 that bothers me, it is the fact that it was clear it wasn't working and he swapped Defoe for Adebayor. That is basically AVB saying the system is not the problem, the players are. A good manager adapts the system depending on the opposition.

 

[indianspur]

Defoe didn't touch the ball all match. Dempsey was at least doing some ugly work.

maybe Defoe didnt touch the ball because he lacked any service and because Lennon, Bale, Dempsey, Sigg, Thudd were playing so poorly

Dempsey's ugly work was mostly chasing after the ball once he had lost it

 

[Spursalot]

It's not the fact he started with 4-5-1 that bothers me, it is the fact that it was clear it wasn't working and he swapped Defoe for Adebayor. That is basically AVB saying the system is not the problem, the players are. A good manager adapts the system depending on the opposition.

True, but he doesn't have that many players available at the moment that are good enough to adapt the system to incorporate, due to injuries and the like.

Playing two up front is not feasible if we only have 2 strikers.

 

[colin fishwick]

Defoe didn't touch the ball all match. Dempsey was at least doing some ugly work.

Defoe was doing plenty of defensive work as he always does. Statistically he is our most productive player- goals and assists wise, both this season and last.

So he was our most likely scorer or creator . When you are 1 nil down at home to Wigan ,so it is a strange descion to take him off, considering our other options.

 

[Spursalot]

Defoe was doing plenty of defensive work as he always does. Statistically he is our most productive player. goals and assists wise - both this season and last.

So he was our most likely scorer or creator . When you are 1 nil down at home to Wigan , it is a strange descion to take him off, considering our other options.

Ade was more productive last.

 

[Viper]

True, but he doesn't have that many players available at the moment that are good enough to adapt the system to incorporate, due to injuries and the like.

Playing two up front is not feasible if we only have 2 strikers.

Exactly, Sigurdsson and Dempsey both doing nothing in midfield was a better solution????

 

[colin fishwick]

It's not the fact he started with 4-5-1 that bothers me, it is the fact that it was clear it wasn't working and he swapped Defoe for Adebayor. That is basically AVB saying the system is not the problem, the players are. A good manager adapts the system depending on the opposition.

A good manager adapts the system, depending on how we are playing and what players are available. If you have a lot of good midfeilders and not good striking options, then play the midfieders

So for intance, if we had Harry Kane and Lampard on the bench. You bring on Lampard. But if it is Carrol or Defoe, you keep Defoe on

 

[indianspur]

The same one upfront that Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Barca, Madrid, Milan, Inter, Juve, Bayern etc. all use at home?

Only having 4 in midfield is doomed to failure, and has been all this century.

Bring in Ade as the forward, bring in some ballplayers in midfield (Carroll and Falque will do till Dembele returns) and we'll see performances and results.

:lol:

Chelsea spent 50 mill on their striker, and 77 mill on Hazard, Oscar and Mata behind him. Plus they will probably replace Torres with 50 mill Falcao

City play 2 strikers, Aguero with either Tevez, Balotelli or Dzeko

Arse are doing well with their one up front arent they??? where are they in the league? it kinda helped when that one up front was an unstoppable RVP

hmmm Barca and Real with their one up front:-k they could play with zero strikers and still win when they have Messi and Ronaldo banging them in from every angle

Milan are barely in the top 10 in Serie A with their one up front

 

[Modric THFC]

maybe Defoe didnt touch the ball because he lacked any service and because Lennon, Bale, Dempsey, Sigg, Thudd were playing so poorly

Dempsey's ugly work was mostly chasing after the ball once he had lost it

Why would he get any more service if we take off a midfielder and bring on another striker?
Surely we'd have less of the ball?

 

[indianspur]

Why would he get any more service if we take off a midfielder and bring on another striker?
Surely we'd have less of the ball?

we would have had enough of the ball to create chances. We were playing Wigan. They are not Barca, they would have gifted us the ball from time to time and with it we could have tried to attack them.

if Dempsey had come off, we would still have had Lennon, Bale, Siggy and Thudd on the pitch. More than enough imo

 

[charlietheyid]

Tottenham Hotspur have lost back-to-back Premier League home games for the first time since September 2008


Spurs failed to score at home in the Premier League for the first time since 19 March 2011, this after netting in 29 successive games at White Hart Lane before this match