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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 84 74.3%

  • Out

    Votes: 29 25.7%
  • Total voters
    113
Jurgen the German said:
Well it was 5–1 and the game was done and dusted. Possibly they switched off and got complacent. The difference is Slot was annoyed they conceded 3 goals despite winning the game and going 6 pts clear whereas Ange would laugh it off and say he loved it. The scoreline was flattering for us just like the Chelsea 4-3 was to us.
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So "shutting up shop" doesn’t always work, even with your best defence.
 
glasgowspur said:
They knew exactly how we will play and still conceded three goals. With the "imperious" vvd and a settled back line.
Just for context, more Salah has more PL goals than our two cbs and lb had PL appearances, combined.
It's even possible that he has more PL goals than gray or spence has PL minutes.
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Again making my case for me that Ange needs to tweak things and give more protection to a CB pairing who have almost no experience playing together but Ange doesn’t change how he plays.
 
Hypothetically, Ange has his team and a good first XI he will get his trousers pulled down by any manager worth his salt as he will know exactly how to set up because Ange is so basic and stubborn only knowing one way to play …. Where is the longevity in that? Where is he earning his money by just doing the same thing week in week out. Are you not entertained … tinkle off
 
glasgowspur said:
We, as in the club, keep pinning our hopes on the playing ground leveling out, laudable, but I'm a flawed theory.
Clubs like city, Chelsea and utd will always find ways to get around these rules.
The British pat themselves on the back, fair play my lad, don't be like Johnny foreigners with your cheating and bribery.
Well at least in other countries they get caught and punished, anyone really believe city or Chelsea will get the same treatment as say juve?
I certainly don't.
So no, relatively speaking I don't think we are in a good situation.
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I agree with pretty much all of that, sadly. You can't really expect your team to breach the rules to stay competitive though, in my opinion. Knowing Spurs's luck we would get caught and penalised anyway. We'll wait and see for the City verdict - if they are actually penalised as they should, that might set a precedent. Yet, we all know they'll probably just get a simple ten point deduction or so and that's it, which would essentially render ffp pointless, I agree.
 
You just can't win, can you? We play low block, counterattacking football ala Mourinho and Conte, and the socalled "experts" slate Spurs for "they should do better, they are a big club, not just rely on Son and Kane on their bikes!" or what the flying fudge the complaint was back then.
We play high press, compressing game, the same "experts" claim "They should do better, they must understand they are not a big club, they can't compete at that level!"

Anyone who think we would have done better by attempting to settle a new defensive organisation, a new and different pressing system from thursday to sunday, having the very same players to choose from, really need to seek medical advice, and fast! Because they're having a stroke!

By better, I compare the 3-6 to a 0-3 loss.
We would perhaps not have shipped 6 goals, but we would most certainly have lost 99 of a 100 games.
Do you seriously think Porro, Dragusin, Gray and Spence would have done better if we had dropped deep around our own box, allowing Liverpool to pass around in front of us? With Bissouma and Sarr in front of the back four? Requiring the tactical disipline of a, say, Hojbjerg, as contrary to a Sarr? As for countering with Sonny, we saw clearly how much of his speed he has lost on the few attempt he had at running from deep yesterday. Son of hinteryears would have been nigh on untouchable in a few of those situations, yesterday he was intercepted with relative ease.

The way I see it we played our game. We knew it would be tough, but we also knew we would score goals. Worst case scenario we learn a few lessions, and drop 3 points. Best case scenario, we learn a few lessions and get 3 points.

Am I happy we lost against Liverpool? No, not in any way. Would I rather lose like yesterday, or 0-3 with Mou'ball, or Conte-ball (with the obligatory player(s) thrown under a couple of buses)? Well, that is not even a hard question!

I also noted a few other things: When we were leading big against City, people started leaving. A lot fewer seemed to leave yesterday when Liverpool were up by several goals. It may have been the TV-pictures fooling me, but to me the stadium looked rather full right up untill the end.
And the "oh when the Spurs.."-song came through loud and clear.
 
Junior19 said:
You just can't win, can you? We play low block, counterattacking football ala Mourinho and Conte, and the socalled "experts" slate Spurs for "they should do better, they are a big club, not just rely on Son and Kane on their bikes!" or what the flying fudge the complaint was back then.
We play high press, compressing game, the same "experts" claim "They should do better, they must understand they are not a big club, they can't compete at that level!"

Anyone who think we would have done better by attempting to settle a new defensive organisation, a new and different pressing system from thursday to sunday, having the very same players to choose from, really need to seek medical advice, and fast! Because they're having a stroke!

By better, I compare the 3-6 to a 0-3 loss.
We would perhaps not have shipped 6 goals, but we would most certainly have lost 99 of a 100 games.
Do you seriously think Porro, Dragusin, Gray and Spence would have done better if we had dropped deep around our own box, allowing Liverpool to pass around in front of us? With Bissouma and Sarr in front of the back four? Requiring the tactical disipline of a, say, Hojbjerg, as contrary to a Sarr? As for countering with Sonny, we saw clearly how much of his speed he has lost on the few attempt he had at running from deep yesterday. Son of hinteryears would have been nigh on untouchable in a few of those situations, yesterday he was intercepted with relative ease.

The way I see it we played our game. We knew it would be tough, but we also knew we would score goals. Worst case scenario we learn a few lessions, and drop 3 points. Best case scenario, we learn a few lessions and get 3 points.

Am I happy we lost against Liverpool? No, not in any way. Would I rather lose like yesterday, or 0-3 with Mou'ball, or Conte-ball (with the obligatory player(s) thrown under a couple of buses)? Well, that is not even a hard question!

I also noted a few other things: When we were leading big against City, people started leaving. A lot fewer seemed to leave yesterday when Liverpool were up by several goals. It may have been the TV-pictures fooling me, but to me the stadium looked rather full right up untill the end.
And the "oh when the Spurs.."-song came through loud and clear.
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The latter paragraph is spot on by the way
 
Legohamster said:
I would like to think Phillips/Dorrington would step up and take Davies place.

Do we have any keepers that can be given a chance as number 2? Keeley is getting good reviews, League 1 massive step up of course, but less so as a back up.

That would make it less tricky, even as a short term fix
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That is the great unknown. You could say that Devine could take a midfield squad slot next year as well, if not Abbott or Hall.
 
Junior19 said:
You just can't win, can you? We play low block, counterattacking football ala Mourinho and Conte, and the socalled "experts" slate Spurs for "they should do better, they are a big club, not just rely on Son and Kane on their bikes!" or what the flying fudge the complaint was back then.
We play high press, compressing game, the same "experts" claim "They should do better, they must understand they are not a big club, they can't compete at that level!"

Anyone who think we would have done better by attempting to settle a new defensive organisation, a new and different pressing system from thursday to sunday, having the very same players to choose from, really need to seek medical advice, and fast! Because they're having a stroke!

By better, I compare the 3-6 to a 0-3 loss.
We would perhaps not have shipped 6 goals, but we would most certainly have lost 99 of a 100 games.
Do you seriously think Porro, Dragusin, Gray and Spence would have done better if we had dropped deep around our own box, allowing Liverpool to pass around in front of us? With Bissouma and Sarr in front of the back four? Requiring the tactical disipline of a, say, Hojbjerg, as contrary to a Sarr? As for countering with Sonny, we saw clearly how much of his speed he has lost on the few attempt he had at running from deep yesterday. Son of hinteryears would have been nigh on untouchable in a few of those situations, yesterday he was intercepted with relative ease.

The way I see it we played our game. We knew it would be tough, but we also knew we would score goals. Worst case scenario we learn a few lessions, and drop 3 points. Best case scenario, we learn a few lessions and get 3 points.

Am I happy we lost against Liverpool? No, not in any way. Would I rather lose like yesterday, or 0-3 with Mou'ball, or Conte-ball (with the obligatory player(s) thrown under a couple of buses)? Well, that is not even a hard question!

I also noted a few other things: When we were leading big against City, people started leaving. A lot fewer seemed to leave yesterday when Liverpool were up by several goals. It may have been the TV-pictures fooling me, but to me the stadium looked rather full right up untill the end.
And the "oh when the Spurs.."-song came through loud and clear.
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I have no idea how we should have set up but for starters it's definitely not a lost 99 of a 100 games. Their league record this season is 12 wins, 3 draws and 1 loss in 16 games - a win ratio of 75%. FFS Ange can't do it doesn't mean others can't do it!
 
Junior19 said:
You just can't win, can you? We play low block, counterattacking football ala Mourinho and Conte, and the socalled "experts" slate Spurs for "they should do better, they are a big club, not just rely on Son and Kane on their bikes!" or what the flying fudge the complaint was back then.
We play high press, compressing game, the same "experts" claim "They should do better, they must understand they are not a big club, they can't compete at that level!"

Anyone who think we would have done better by attempting to settle a new defensive organisation, a new and different pressing system from thursday to sunday, having the very same players to choose from, really need to seek medical advice, and fast! Because they're having a stroke!

By better, I compare the 3-6 to a 0-3 loss.
We would perhaps not have shipped 6 goals, but we would most certainly have lost 99 of a 100 games.
Do you seriously think Porro, Dragusin, Gray and Spence would have done better if we had dropped deep around our own box, allowing Liverpool to pass around in front of us? With Bissouma and Sarr in front of the back four? Requiring the tactical disipline of a, say, Hojbjerg, as contrary to a Sarr? As for countering with Sonny, we saw clearly how much of his speed he has lost on the few attempt he had at running from deep yesterday. Son of hinteryears would have been nigh on untouchable in a few of those situations, yesterday he was intercepted with relative ease.

The way I see it we played our game. We knew it would be tough, but we also knew we would score goals. Worst case scenario we learn a few lessions, and drop 3 points. Best case scenario, we learn a few lessions and get 3 points.

Am I happy we lost against Liverpool? No, not in any way. Would I rather lose like yesterday, or 0-3 with Mou'ball, or Conte-ball (with the obligatory player(s) thrown under a couple of buses)? Well, that is not even a hard question!

I also noted a few other things: When we were leading big against City, people started leaving. A lot fewer seemed to leave yesterday when Liverpool were up by several goals. It may have been the TV-pictures fooling me, but to me the stadium looked rather full right up untill the end.
And the "oh when the Spurs.."-song came through loud and clear.
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It’s really not either or though. The choice isn’t play gung ho like Bielsa or play a low block like Jose. Our two most successful managers in the ENIC era are Arry and Poch. They both played attacking football but we rarely conceded more than 40-45 goals in a season under either manager other than Poch’s first season in charge, we conceded circa 55 goals. We’ve conceded 25 goals already this season and 61 last season, that’s far too many!
 
glorygloryeze said:
Since when did it have to be such a binary comparison between losing 3-6 and losing 0-3?
How many times in the PL era have we lost by 3 goals at home vs Liverpool FFS??

How about comparing a tight 1-2 loss or even a 1-1 draw to a 3-6 loss???
The lengths people seem to go to deflect, goodness me...
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It'll stop being binary it's stopped framed as "all he has to do is" or "he needs to go, x can do better".

We don't know that, people are allowed to express opinions, it's just they present it as fact.
 
glasgowspur said:
It'll stop being binary it's stopped framed as "all he has to do is" or "he needs to go, x can do better".

We don't know that, people are allowed to express opinions, it's just they present it as fact.
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Football is a lot of 'don't knows'...but at the highest professional levels work is paid handsomely to reduce/mitigate as many "don't knows" as possible...you can fill in the rest...
 
glasgowspur said:
It'll stop being binary it's stopped framed as "all he has to do is" or "he needs to go, x can do better".

We don't know that, people are allowed to express opinions, it's just they present it as fact.
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The result might be the same but we will never know until he tries it. Meanwhile, he keeps playing the same way and getting similar outcomes.
 
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