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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 89 57.1%
  • Out

    Votes: 67 42.9%

  • Total voters
    156
One thing that I don’t really understand is why Kinsky’s long passes haven’t been as expected. The highlights reel when he joined seemed to show that this was one of his strong areas. If it is then why aren’t we utilising it? We need to mix it up. We need teams to not know and have other ways that we can play out of the press.

Solanke being out doesn’t help as I think he would be the target for any longer distribution.
He was pinging balls about for fun on his debut. Since our coaching staff have got a hold of him his passing has been terrible.
 
One thing that I don’t really understand is why Kinsky’s long passes haven’t been as expected. The highlights reel when he joined seemed to show that this was one of his strong areas. If it is then why aren’t we utilising it? We need to mix it up. We need teams to not know and have other ways that we can play out of the press.

Solanke being out doesn’t help as I think he would be the target for any longer distribution.
He was pinging balls about for fun on his debut. Since our coaching staff have got a hold of him his passing has been terrible.
 
Alex fudging Ferguson would find it difficult to get a tune out of a team this disrupted by injuries for as long as we've had. It's literally 3 solid months of 10 or so players -- first team, experienced and good quality players -- out. Every time we get someone back, another gets injured. Richarlison yesterday, Dragusin the other day. It's fudging ridiculous.

Because I know some people don't read posts properly: INJURIES DON'T ABSOLVE HIM OF EVERYTHING. But they explain a pretty fudging big part of the story.

Eddie Howe coped a lot better last season and he had 10 players out for a lot of the season. Injuries have played a big part in our awful season but Ange has added to it.

Even when we were full strength at the start of the season I'm sure we lost nearly 50% of our games.

He is out of his depth and needs to go asap
 
He was pinging balls about for fun on his debut. Since our coaching staff have got a hold of him his passing has been terrible.
What irritates me is him chipping a ball to a full back particularly when we're getting suffocated like last night. If you're going to play out, it has to be short balls along the floor - chipped passes in those areas are a defender's nightmare because by the time they control it, they're pressed.

In those situations, if you don't have a pass to feet, go long because it's better to turn the ball over in their half of the pitch than ours.
 
He speaks to her like an absolute arsewhole when she's looking to provide clarity in the question as well. Bit of a roosterwomble at times our Ange.
Yep, I intially warmed to his openess and honesty in the early press conferences last year but this season he has been a different bloke. I've stopped watching clips as they are often just awkward exchanges now. I suppose part of it is natural when you are losing, under pressure and have journalists trying to get you to bite all the time but still... The moments when he has those lighthearted jokes have all but disappeared lately
 
One thing that I don’t really understand is why Kinsky’s long passes haven’t been as expected. The highlights reel when he joined seemed to show that this was one of his strong areas. If it is then why aren’t we utilising it? We need to mix it up. We need teams to not know and have other ways that we can play out of the press.

Solanke being out doesn’t help as I think he would be the target for any longer distribution.
He also did some wonderful long passes in his first two games and they really helped relieve pressure and set up moves.

Can't blame his yesterday, Liverpool were fantastic is their pressing and structure.
But other games....
 
Are you saying it's not true? That missing:

- Vicario
- Romero
- van de Ven
- Dragusin
- Udogie
- Maddison
- Johnson
- Odobert
- Werner
- Solanke

won't have an affect? That it won't affect the way we play? That it won't affect other players who can't get a rest because the only remaining players are 18 or younger, literally never played a game?

The injuries aren't the only problem. But they're a fudging huge one and, like I said in another thread, you are an absolute fudging macaron if you think they don't have an impact. It doesn't take much to understand.
Forget the ones who are injured, are the remaining players better than our performances. I think you know the answer, in which case it's the manager who is failing to motivate and organise them correctly
 
Saw someone post "This manager has made losing normal" sums it up quite nicely.
It's the worst Spurs team since the 1990s. Literally any win right now feels like a huge achievement and a loss is just standard for my Sunday afternoons now ....watched the cup game versus Tamworth thinking "will be nice to see an almost guaranteed win" only to see us concede the best chances of the game and fail to win in 90 minutes with a winger flailing around up top offering us no threat whatsoever.....
 
Alex fudging Ferguson would find it difficult to get a tune out of a team this disrupted by injuries for as long as we've had. It's literally 3 solid months of 10 or so players -- first team, experienced and good quality players -- out. Every time we get someone back, another gets injured. Richarlison yesterday, Dragusin the other day. It's fudging ridiculous.

Because I know some people don't read posts properly: INJURIES DON'T ABSOLVE HIM OF EVERYTHING. But they explain a pretty fudging big part of the story.
The guy who lives in Japan supports the guy who managed in Japan. Got it.
 
Alex fudging Ferguson would find it difficult to get a tune out of a team this disrupted by injuries for as long as we've had. It's literally 3 solid months of 10 or so players -- first team, experienced and good quality players -- out. Every time we get someone back, another gets injured. Richarlison yesterday, Dragusin the other day. It's fudging ridiculous.

Because I know some people don't read posts properly: INJURIES DON'T ABSOLVE HIM OF EVERYTHING. But they explain a pretty fudging big part of the story.
As someone who has seen and witnessed Ange even before he got to Europe given everything you've seen of him at Spurs and before would you let him have another go next season? If so what would be the break point next season? At what point would you think that he can't actually turn it around?
 
Tactically he was shocking again, there are no patterns, and there is no proper movement. Its like the players go out and just do what they want when the whistle blows. Sarr and Richie both pressing the keeper at the same time. For an all out attacking team, when we got the ball in their half there was no one forward. Its all very amateur and the players are not good enough to play in a free flowing passing team. Liverpool looked like prime Barca last night and all they were doing was playing it simple, accurately and with a bit of pace. We are so easy to pass round its unreal, 2 or 3 players going for the same ball, leaving massive holes and not wanting to win first or second balls. We could have fielded the under 16’s and they would have had more of a clue. Embarrassing from the management and players. All travelling Spurs fans should be refunded after that.

I get its a hard game against arguably the best team on the planet right now but atleast go out and give it your fudging all.
 
Alex fudging Ferguson would find it difficult to get a tune out of a team this disrupted by injuries for as long as we've had. It's literally 3 solid months of 10 or so players -- first team, experienced and good quality players -- out. Every time we get someone back, another gets injured. Richarlison yesterday, Dragusin the other day. It's fudging ridiculous.

Because I know some people don't read posts properly: INJURIES DON'T ABSOLVE HIM OF EVERYTHING. But they explain a pretty fudging big part of the story.
Mason would improve our performances a lot, and very quickly too. It's not rocket science, it just needs a bit more top level experience than PE teachering
 
He is going to start getting his players back in the coming week, plus with added additions. He will have to improve results because the excuses (valid ones at that) will no longer exist, he has to improve us for the sake of his own job if anything
 
Of course they are…until you think about it with a bit of logic and realise they’re all fudging knackered because they can’t get a break.
Doesn’t stop you from being able to pass the ball properly or tracking a man properly. Ange has said for the last 2 or 3 weeks that they have not done any proper training and just played games in training, hardly being ran into the ground. Sarr is pretty much fresh, Bentancur is fresh, Spence is fresh, Davies is fresh, Son must be fresh because he does fudge all every game. Take away Kulu, Son, and Grey the rest have either not played or done 60 minutes here and there. No excuse not to be able to pass a ball properly.
 
As someone who has seen and witnessed Ange even before he got to Europe given everything you've seen of him at Spurs and before would you let him have another go next season? If so what would be the break point next season? At what point would you think that he can't actually turn it around?

I don’t know —it’s a hard question. He has to be given to the end of the season, and hopefully we’ll have a sustained period without an injury every match (almost literally every match for the last 3 months there’s been something.) But I don’t expect performances to pick up that much because it doesn’t work that way. Teams just don’t play well because they have their best 11 out there. They need time to build up an understanding, to grow into the tactics. The utter disruption that Ange has faced since Chelsea last year is on a level that I literally have never seen before.

The rough patch was always expected, it’s followed him every where. I thought that would be the first few months of this season, and I predicted it would take until November to get going. We beat Villa 4-1, had a shocking loss to Ipswich, beat Emirates Marketing Project 4-0 and then a poor performance against Fulham but I was feeling pretty good. But that was when the injuries hit. Every thing since there has to be taken with a massive dose of reality of the situation the squad has been in. 3 months solid Wednesday - Saturday / Thursday - Sunday without a break, for 10-15 players.

The insane expectations that we’re going to perform well, perform consistently and get results, when you combine that with the absolute shambles this club was not even 2 years ago…it’s just absolutely bewildering that people are ready to give up on it, to start again with the latest hot manager. The people who in one breath complain about Ange because he’s done nothing, then yearn for Iraola who’s…done what?

If we get players back, results don’t pick up that much and we go out of the cups, then I’d expect him to go in the summer.
 
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