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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 90 57.0%

  • Out

    Votes: 68 43.0%
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    158
Finney Is Back said:
From what I noticed earlier in the season prior to our injuries biting:

We tended to do well when having about the same time to prepare/rest as our opponents did.
We tended to do less well when we had a midweek game and had less preparation/rest time as our opponents did.
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We have been dreadful all season regardless of whether we have had injuries or not. The payers aren't motivated, and they certainly aren't organised. Do you question whether or not they every actually practice passing the ball or defending? Give this squad to a decent manager and we will look so much better
 
Finney Is Back said:
Has there got to be a link?

The sample size is still too small to be able to tell really.

It could absolutely be down to luck. Equally it might not be and could be because of something Ange is doing. The sample size is too small to know really.

Perhaps we just have a few very injury prone players?
Perhaps we have a really poor medical department?
Perhaps we have poor fitness and conditioning coaches?
Perhaps Ange has them doing mental things that is injuring them?
Perhaps we have just been really unlucky?

None of us know
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I wouldn’t say a season and 3 quarters is a small sample size personally. Some of the injuries have been unfortunate; Dragusin, Bentancur’s various ailments some of which were inflicted by opponents, but a lot of them happen in training or during games and are non-contact injuries.
 
Jurgen the German said:
I wouldn’t say a season and 3 quarters is a small sample size personally. Some of the injuries have been unfortunate; Dragusin, Bentancur’s various ailments some of which were inflicted by opponents, but a lot of them happen in training or during games and are non-contact injuries.
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I have never seen so many players break down in games as I have in the last two seasons. Udogie pulling up and sitting on the floor twice, Richy, MVDV twice and thats just a couple off my head, not like they are impact injuries.......I mean we are either unlucky or somethings going on badly
 
Finney Is Back said:
Has there got to be a link?

The sample size is still too small to be able to tell really.

It could absolutely be down to luck. Equally it might not be and could be because of something Ange is doing. The sample size is too small to know really.

Perhaps we just have a few very injury prone players?
Perhaps we have a really poor medical department?
Perhaps we have poor fitness and conditioning coaches?
Perhaps Ange has them doing mental things that is injuring them?
Perhaps we have just been really unlucky?

None of us know
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The manager is on record saying that the way he trains and plays causes injuries to his players.
 
Finney Is Back said:
From what I noticed earlier in the season prior to our injuries biting:

We tended to do well when having about the same time to prepare/rest as our opponents did.
We tended to do less well when we had a midweek game and had less preparation/rest time as our opponents did.
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We regularly conceded 3 and 4 goals last season when we didn’t have the added fixture congestion of European football to deal with. I feel like defending is just an afterthought for Ange.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Yep and I was sat in my usual seat in the East Upper. Our starting line up.

Vicario
Porro Romero Dragusin Udogie
Kulu Bissouma Maddison
Johnson Solanke Son

Spurs 4 - 1 West Ham

The team and squad we had pre the injuries starting to hit was a 6th or 7th placed finish type PL squad (maybe 5th at very best) and that is roughly where we were likely to be finishing.
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dont we have the worst record / bottom 3 since November 2023?! You make it sound like we've been great before injuries. our record since 2023 is relegation. The form has been terrible since 2023. This isn't something overnight that's happened since beginning of Dec.

and on the discussion of injuries, we had Dragusin and i think Ben Davies or Gray before Chelsea game. no one told Ange to bring BOTH of Romero and VDV into the Chelsea game. he chose that, got them both rushed back, both injured. If he had chosen to start JUST ONE, maybe we wouldn't be in this situation. Or is he also blameless for that?
 
Finney Is Back said:
Hilarious.... A whole bunch of people have been saying that Ange needs to have the team playing more pragmatically, especially with the injury crisis. Ange then plays more pragmatically and the same fans criticise him for doing it.
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He needed to be pragmatic earlier, and he needs to make sure it's effective, that's why the criticism.

What's ridiculous is people saying we have terrible players because after 18 months of one way to play, we change (the disaster 3 at back) and the players look all at sea. The idea was right, but you have to give the players what they need to implement it.

Either way, opinions don't matter, the data is pretty clear ..
 
billyiddo said:
The manager is on record saying that the way he trains and plays causes injuries to his don't know why people keep denying this fact.
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I don't know why people keep denying this fact.

He's admitted himself he causes injuries due to the way he plays and trains

www.bbc.com

Ange Postecoglou: Is Tottenham manager's style causing Spurs injury crisis? - BBC Sport

Sports scientist Anton McElhone has worked closely with Ange Postecoglou at Celtic and speaks to BBC Sport about his methods.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com


good article on the risk he takes on players
 
Finney Is Back said:
Knackered, came off injured quite early in the game, recently back from injury and past it, not very good, poor since injury last season, knackered.
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Bedfordspurs said:
That’s a combination of technically limited players and tired ones
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The original post said ‘massively inexperienced.’ I didn’t see any mention of ‘technically limited…tired…knackered…recently back from injury…not very good…poor since last season’ in it, hence my reply.
 
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Bedfordspurs said:
Kulu was almost in front of bentacur
And nothing stuck
I fully agree they were impressive
Was like they had extra players
They nullified passing lanes
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One of the things I noticed especially when we play the better teams is we are very reliant on passing to feet as opposed to into space. It's all very pass and move based but sometimes we get pressed and have no outlets because we don't have dribblers or players good at keeping the ball under pressure. It's all pass to feet, move and then another pass to feet. There's little individual passing quality.

Liverpool were great at finding players both in space and on the move. We really don't get any of that unless it's a long raking pass from Porro. I also find it interesting how often (we are talking ever single match) we see either FB or both overloaded. Sometimes it's out wide, sometimes it's the width of the penalty box you will always see 2 opposition players free. Usually the wider one has all the freedom of the box to collect the ball. So may goals we concede come from these situations, Pool's first goal being a perfect example. Yet we rarely if ever have the same kind of overload available for us, it does make me ponder why. The inability to stop the situation and an inability to create the same kind of attack are clearly linked and strike me as a system fallacy.
 
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