Re: AVB - Making Tottenham His Own
It's more than that? Ok, like what? I don't see the examples here...
I thought i had mentioned something to be honest maybe i didnt
i think its a preferred style.
I think he prefers a slow paced build
I think its instruction given to players to remain calm and disciplined and not to expose themselves to much to early
I think its a motto of play safe and find and opening and risk more later
i think its a selection and transfer policy problem. The way we play is how he wants us to play
RIGHT NOW.
I think there is a need to win the midfield battle with force and over powering as opposed to finese
I think also that he actively refuses to over commit men forward unless he needs to. that there is a choice
I also think on a more obvious point that players dont actively, aggressively and progressively occupy attacking zones, open up passing lanes going forward and dont put attacking moves which enourcages and requires trust and a certain level of skill to be able to do
I also dont think the players are willing to be adventurous as much as they can be under AVB
For some reason the pressing seems to have waned a little bit. worrying to say the least as i thought AVB took pride in this
I dont think Soldado is singing from the same hymn sheet as the rest of the team...where the team is playing slow build up play and trying to draw out the opposition solly keeps making runs behind the opposition as if his team mates are the ones in Valencia....i nearly passed out when defoe came on and then out o nowhere solly dropped deep to pick up the ball and we forged a move together....
Soldado moves but who supplies? if that doesnt work you HAVE to get involved. You cant play one game that needs cazorla and rosicky and Wheelchair and ramsey..with capoue, sandro , dembele and paulinho...its just dumb
I also think we need to switch up our attacking avenues , we are getting too predictable
Something else i have noticed to be happening.....Eriksen seems to be caught in no mans land...he is a playmaker that doesnt drop deep to start moves and take sudden bursts or encourage paulinho on...but he plays in the hole more but at the same time doesnt really get close to soldado...and on top of that he cant seem to feed soldado..i would assume because he probably needs sandro to deliver trhe ball to him..which is fine.....and actually would work but sandro isnt carrick. Capoue appears to be able to provide this pass but he is injured , verts can but he is at left back...having said that it isnt enough that he relies on these people...he should go and pick that **** up from the goalies hands and start things and let the people wandering into the hole be the invereted wingers if necessary. I dont think eriksen is stupid so it must be instructions that he play where he plays with the rest of the team mates doing what they currently do
The pressing things just to mention again is a bit of a worry for me
You say that what we are lacking are obvious things that any human being save for people in denial can see.
But you think AVB is fine with it and it's a stylistic choice? I don't get it. If it's that obvious that it's a big problem why wouldn't AVB see it and work towards fixing it? Seems like a massive assumption has to be made about AVB being outright incompetent (or in denial, or not a human being) for this to hold.
there is a bit of a language barrier between you and i i think. i say there are obvious issues BUT avb is fine with it as its part of this style right now. if he is fine with it how is it possible that he doesnt see it? you have said here
i never said he wouldnt see it. on the contrary i think AVB knows what the problems are and i think he knows how to fix it, i just dont think fixing is what he wants to do right now because it could counter what he DOES want to do on the pitch if you get my drift. For instance if a team plays a certain way despite the need to switch up to suit opposition it is quite possible that they play that way because that is how they want to play irrespective of what they need to do.
A team that likes to attack will concede goals, the problem is probably that they concede goals due to overcommitting players and getting caught on the counter or due to players getting pulled out of position in transition etc. they can fix that by being more organised, more disciplined , more structured etc, but then that could take away from their attacking potency
right now i think we are playing initially how AVB wants us to play.....its when we chase a goal that we look stronger at home...or when we are away and actively play a sparring session with a team on their ground cause that team wants to have a go..essentially thy come for is and create more space for us to work with and we focus on bringing them out more and playing with the space available.
thing is when at home we could if we wanted to look to bury teams and commit players in there...but we dont and i think this is a style choice and a tempo one
As to your second point, I think that's fine. But who isn't this the same point as the point above about our lacking attacking purpose/fluidity? Isn't that what has been lacking in these games? It's not like we've been outplayed, it's mainly that we've struggled to break them down.
no it looks like we are carrying boulders on our shoulders while walking a tight rope made of a spider web. we struggle to break down teams for reasons that can be overcome. not to mention that the other teams seem to be able to do it to us when they turn up the heat a little bit
when a team has a game plan , and their game plan gets executed to the detriment of yours, i would say that you are out played or at the very least you are matched.
if a team decides to stifle us and then hit us on the counter when they want. ..if they decide to up the pressure and play when they want and then retreat when the time is needed and conceed ground then they have executed their plan and strategy perfectly and thus all the possession % and chances in the world wont negate the fact that they came here to do what they did
hull, west ham and Saudi Sportswashing Machine have all had a good time here, they are no supposed to..its supposed to be a miserable day at the office.....and quite frankly i wouldnt take pride in any of those games save for the fact we competed in them
Which teams that we should be better than have "brushed us over"? Seriously, we must have been watching different games.
we have been watching different games, "brushed us over" might be harsh sounding to be fair...but i dont think any of those teams were worried about is once they knew what they were up against and what they had to do.
we will have to agree to disagree on that one
Well, I think that having a lot of new players to integrate is a challenge for any team and that consistent attacking fluidity/purpose (one of the hardest things ins football) might take time in circumstances like that. And in a league like the Premier League that is very tight and competitive there are a lot of teams capable of making games fairly close when the bigger teams isn't at their best.
yet most of the guys playing were here last year. they should be more fluid and cohesive IMO..its not like we chucked all 7 players in all the time from the start....it is tight but i am not focusing on points or results ...more on how we go about things and us not being at our best IMO shouldnt be a persistent thing because we bought 7 new top class players that all dont play regularly anyway. of course its a hindrance and it makes things difficult but its not nearly enough of a reason to look impotent out there.
IN that case , we should be looking forward to playing teams with loads of new players then...? at the same time we shouldnt be looking to buy a lot of new players ourselves even if they are better than what we have..it would continuously **** up our seasons for ever more
having said that chemistry will make us better but we should be better out there right now anyway than we have been , simple as that. its just not good enough whats happening out there
we bought 7 top class players for an obscene sum total, and this is a good reason to have less goals and less attacking onus than 3/4 of the league.
its crazy to me
I'm assuming that our playing style is in development. I'm assuming this is not the end game and that AVB is aware of most of our shortcomings and is working towards correcting those. He could have set out playing the style he wanted at the end of the development and waited for things to click into place, he tried something like that at Chelsea. I'm glad he didn't here.
agree with this
I agree that we are improving, but I accept that these things take time. And as I think a lot of the changes in mentality will require player changes it makes sense to me that part of this is also that the new leaders coming in must be given time to settle into their roles as leaders in the team. We all remember how Parker supposedly changed the mentality of the dressing room upon arrival, yet when the going got tough he wasn't able to change our fortunes. I've stopped looking for an individual player to "lead our charge", we need a squad with many strong characters and I think we're in the process of assembling that squad.
agree with this too, but parker never stopped being the fighter and when things were not working that was down to form, confidence and bad luck and most importantly HArry courting England. that team had some mental steel but it just want clicking.
i actually think we have quite a few winners now, enough so that the menatlity to fight , win and compete is there in most of the squad so that isnt really an issue i dont think
in 18 months a strong mindset and spirit should be greeting you at the door and your style needs to be coming through in games. people need to reflect their manager if they can
the funny thing is that as bad as united started i have no doubt they will fight their way back mainly cause they have winners in their team and their manager has a winning fight till you die attitude which i admire
You don't have to avoid it on my account, but if you agree that it's unfair probably it's better to look for other comparisons?
moyes, martinez, laudrup,rodgers? how about those?
I'm not saying that we can't compare, I'm just asking for a bit of perspecive and an acceptance that showing that AVB is not as good as the very best around (at least at this point) is a very high bar to set and accordingly not the most relevant comparison. (Again, not aimed specifically at you).
sometimes you need an absolute to highlight perceived faults in an discussion......thats where these comaprisons come in
