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Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach

Spur of the moment said:
1 (Cough) So AVB has better man-management skills?
2 So you think we'll play even more attractive with AVB and his high-line?
3 Harry's win percentage was higher than any manager in decades. Better even than Nicholson's.
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1. Harry probably has the best man-management skills in the Prem, if not he's certainly up there, means nothing if it wins you nothing.
2. We won't know until we watch us blossom under him will we?
3. Brilliant. David Pleat had a better win percentage than both.
 
Spur of the moment said:
Sounds like you're trying to dodge the point my friend.
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It seems that no one understands the point you're trying to make.

You were the one who introduced mention of SAF to this thread and then accused Spursalot of trying to compare the resources available to Harry Reknapp at Spurs with the resources available to SAF at Utd 20+ years ago - an accusation that bore not the slightest resemblance to anything that Spursalot had written.

Frankly bizarre and inexplicable behaviour on your part.
 
Spur of the moment said:
1 (Cough) So AVB has better man-management skills?
2 So you think we'll play even more attractive with AVB and his high-line?
3 Harry's win percentage was higher than any manager in decades. Better even than Nicholson's.
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1- i don't know one way or the other - im sure during his time at Porto the players would have said he was a great man manager - the same that any winning team would say of it's manager
2- how could anyone possibly predict that ? what makes you think that we won't be able to play an attractive brand of football under AVB ? what did Harry do that made us play so well ? what Godly talent does he possess that made him able to turn a team with Bale VdV Modric Adebayor Lennon Walker Ekotto in to an attractive footballing team ?
3- you are avoiding the question - what does his achievements tell me his skills as a manager are ? before we appointed him and he hadn't achieved anything what would you have been saying was so great about him as a manager ?


i am asking you what he possesses that enabled him to achieve what he did ? so far you have yet to provide one thing, other than man management which im afraid is not enough to convince me that he is irreplaceable and that a new manager (AVB) is not going to be able to do as well
 
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I dealt with Gross and Ardiles. I'll deal with this. The first half of the season is a write off. I've stated my reasons for wanting Harry hone time and time again. No fudger can get one over on me as my benchmark ain't 3rd. It's not being Harry.
 
jimmyb said:
Is 74 points better than 70 points, 62 points or 69 points?

Is it failure to to take one step back in order to take two steps forward?
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Says who? Who says we're moving forward?

I base my view on the knowns, not the unknowns.

Our last three seasons has been: 4th, 5th, 4th.

Who in their right fudging mind would start banging a drum for finishing 5th or even 6th, when that's the form in front of you? All this flimflam about teams around us; teams around us? Hmm okay, well Harry didn't seem to have a problem with what other teams around us were doing, so it seems like some excuse which is already being put in-place in order to justify failure.

It's utter nonsense. The truth here is that some of you got obsessed with Harry Redknapp, the person. But Harry Redknapp, the Tottenham manager, was doing a job which produced a record that not a single one of you can criticise. He didn't need crap like 'oh well what if x team improves, and another one too, blah blah blah'. No, he just on and did the job with the resources he had to work with.

The bottom line for me, is that whoever comes in better get fudging 4th or else it's a failure of Levy's judgement. 6th, 7th? fudge off, are some of you having a laugh? You'd seriously take 7th when we've been riding high up in 4th? Give me a fudging break, or what really IS really important to some of you?

No wonder the media have such a laugh at Spurs fans: if I was a journalist, I'd be laughing my crack off if I read fans of a football club who'd finished 4th, 5th, 4th suddenly saying 'oooh, hmm, well I guess I'd take 6th...and even 7th'. Seriously, no fudging wonder we're labelled small time and laughed about.

I can only imagine what Arsenal fans must be saying - christ almighty, it must be like Santa's come early! Look at the stupid little Spurs fans; had some success, then didn't know what to do with themselves, so they went and sacked the manager and then appointed a Chelsea reject in order to 'take their club in a new direction'. Yep, the 'new direction' is...back to being fudging brick again. And guess what, Spurs fans go back to getting a boner about 'maybe a nice cup run or winning the Europa League'.

Well fudge that. I won't accept 7th. Or 6th. Or even 5th. AVB better finish at least 4th, and 3rd to justify the change. Or else, it's a failure of Levy's judgement. Simple as that. Harry has the form; as consistent a record as they come. Change for a bricker outcome = failure; a brick, unnecessary change. Laughable that some of you think our star players would accept 7th? :lol: No fudging way, they'd be running for the doors and I'd be clapping their ambition for doing so.

So, over to you, Andre: match it, or beat it. Good luck with that sunshine.
 
jimmyb said:
I have no idea what might have happened next season if Harry had stayed.

And neither do you.

So no point going there.
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Sidestepping the point again are we? You know very well what I'm saying. Face up to it Jimmy, if AVB is a failure like he was at Chelsea this Board will go into meltdown.
 
Sheik - a very big part of the reason Redknapp finished 4th/5th/4th was due to one or more of the teams above us having bad seasons (Chelsea and Liverpool) so to say that what the teams around us do has no bearing on what we should be looking to achieve is wrong - if what other teams do has no relation to what we are trying to achieve then we should be aiming for the title every year and anything less is a failure

if Chelsea Arsenal Emirates Marketing Project and Man Utd all play to their best this season we can't say finishing 5th is a failure - as they all have higher budgets/targets than us - we need one of those to have a bad year to finish 4th - Chelsea this season for example - regardless of what we have achieved the seasons prior
 
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Mumorn said:
1. Harry probably has the best man-management skills in the Prem, if not he's certainly up there, means nothing if it wins you nothing.
2. We won't know until we watch us blossom under him will we?
3. Brilliant. David Pleat had a better win percentage than both.
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Harry 'has got the best win percentage since 1946 ... better than Sir Bill Nicholson and David Pleat, with an overall win percentage of 51.77% in 197 games for Spurs.'
http://www.footballtransfertavern.c...harry-redknapp-makes-no-sense-no-sense-at-all
 
Sheikh Ma Nuggets said:
Says who? Who says we're moving forward?

I base my view on the knowns, not the unknowns.

Our last three seasons has been: 4th, 5th, 4th.

Who in their right fudging mind would start banging a drum for finishing 5th or even 6th, when that's the form in front of you? All this flimflam about teams around us; teams around us? Hmm okay, well Harry didn't seem to have a problem with what other teams around us were doing, so it seems like some excuse which is already being put in-place in order to justify failure.

It's utter nonsense. The truth here is that some of you got obsessed with Harry Redknapp, the person. But Harry Redknapp, the Tottenham manager, was doing a job which produced a record that not a single one of you can criticise. He didn't need crap like 'oh well what if x team improves, and another one too, blah blah blah'. No, he just on and did the job with the resources he had to work with.

The bottom line for me, is that whoever comes in better get fudging 4th or else it's a failure of Levy's judgement. 6th, 7th? fudge off, are some of you having a laugh? You'd seriously take 7th when we've been riding high up in 4th? Give me a fudging break, or what really IS really important to some of you?

No wonder the media have such a laugh at Spurs fans: if I was a journalist, I'd be laughing my crack off if I read fans of a football club who'd finished 4th, 5th, 4th suddenly saying 'oooh, hmm, well I guess I'd take 6th...and even 7th'. Seriously, no fudging wonder we're labelled small time and laughed about.

I can only imagine what Arsenal fans must be saying - christ almighty, it must be like Santa's come early! Look at the stupid little Spurs fans; had some success, then didn't know what to do with themselves, so they went and sacked the manager and then appointed a Chelsea reject in order to 'take their club in a new direction'. Yep, the 'new direction' is...back to being fudging brick again. And guess what, Spurs fans go back to getting a boner about 'maybe a nice cup run or winning the Europa League'.

Well fudge that. I won't accept 7th. Or 6th. Or even 5th. AVB better finish at least 4th, and 3rd to justify the change. Or else, it's a failure of Levy's judgement. Simple as that. Harry has the form; as consistent a record as they come. Change for a bricker outcome = failure; a brick, unnecessary change. Laughable that some of you think our star players would accept 7th? :lol: No fudging way, they'd be running for the doors and I'd be clapping their ambition for doing so.

So, over to you, Andre: match it, or beat it. Good luck with that sunshine.
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Hypothetically - if Redknapp had got his dream job and left us in the lurch for England and we had then appointed AVB - what would you have accepted from AVB in those circumstances (i.e Levy reacting to the situation rather than being proactive)?
 
Sheikh Ma Nuggets said:
Says who? Who says we're moving forward?

I base my view on the knowns, not the unknowns.

Our last three seasons has been: 4th, 5th, 4th.

Who in their right fudging mind would start banging a drum for finishing 5th or even 6th, when that's the form in front of you? All this flimflam about teams around us; teams around us? Hmm okay, well Harry didn't seem to have a problem with what other teams around us were doing, so it seems like some excuse which is already being put in-place in order to justify failure.

It's utter nonsense. The truth here is that some of you got obsessed with Harry Redknapp, the person. But Harry Redknapp, the Tottenham manager, was doing a job which produced a record that not a single one of you can criticise. He didn't need crap like 'oh well what if x team improves, and another one too, blah blah blah'. No, he just on and did the job with the resources he had to work with.

The bottom line for me, is that whoever comes in better get fudging 4th or else it's a failure of Levy's judgement. 6th, 7th? fudge off, are some of you having a laugh? You'd seriously take 7th when we've been riding high up in 4th? Give me a fudging break, or what really IS really important to some of you?

No wonder the media have such a laugh at Spurs fans: if I was a journalist, I'd be laughing my crack off if I read fans of a football club who'd finished 4th, 5th, 4th suddenly saying 'oooh, hmm, well I guess I'd take 6th...and even 7th'. Seriously, no fudging wonder we're labelled small time and laughed about.

I can only imagine what Arsenal fans must be saying - christ almighty, it must be like Santa's come early! Look at the stupid little Spurs fans; had some success, then didn't know what to do with themselves, so they went and sacked the manager and then appointed a Chelsea reject in order to 'take their club in a new direction'. Yep, the 'new direction' is...back to being fudging brick again. And guess what, Spurs fans go back to getting a boner about 'maybe a nice cup run or winning the Europa League'.

Well fudge that. I won't accept 7th. Or 6th. Or even 5th. AVB better finish at least 4th, and 3rd to justify the change. Or else, it's a failure of Levy's judgement. Simple as that. Harry has the form; as consistent a record as they come. Change for a bricker outcome = failure; a brick, unnecessary change. Laughable that some of you think our star players would accept 7th? :lol: No fudging way, they'd be running for the doors and I'd be clapping their ambition for doing so.

So, over to you, Andre: match it, or beat it. Good luck with that sunshine.
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=D>
 
Sheikh Ma Nuggets said:
Says who? Who says we're moving forward?

I base my view on the knowns, not the unknowns.

Our last three seasons has been: 4th, 5th, 4th.

Who in their right fudging mind would start banging a drum for finishing 5th or even 6th, when that's the form in front of you? All this flimflam about teams around us; teams around us? Hmm okay, well Harry didn't seem to have a problem with what other teams around us were doing, so it seems like some excuse which is already being put in-place in order to justify failure.

It's utter nonsense. The truth here is that some of you got obsessed with Harry Redknapp, the person. But Harry Redknapp, the Tottenham manager, was doing a job which produced a record that not a single one of you can criticise. He didn't need crap like 'oh well what if x team improves, and another one too, blah blah blah'. No, he just on and did the job with the resources he had to work with.

The bottom line for me, is that whoever comes in better get fudging 4th or else it's a failure of Levy's judgement. 6th, 7th? fudge off, are some of you having a laugh? You'd seriously take 7th when we've been riding high up in 4th? Give me a fudging break, or what really IS really important to some of you?

No wonder the media have such a laugh at Spurs fans: if I was a journalist, I'd be laughing my crack off if I read fans of a football club who'd finished 4th, 5th, 4th suddenly saying 'oooh, hmm, well I guess I'd take 6th...and even 7th'. Seriously, no fudging wonder we're labelled small time and laughed about.

I can only imagine what Arsenal fans must be saying - christ almighty, it must be like Santa's come early! Look at the stupid little Spurs fans; had some success, then didn't know what to do with themselves, so they went and sacked the manager and then appointed a Chelsea reject in order to 'take their club in a new direction'. Yep, the 'new direction' is...back to being fudging brick again. And guess what, Spurs fans go back to getting a boner about 'maybe a nice cup run or winning the Europa League'.

Well fudge that. I won't accept 7th. Or 6th. Or even 5th. AVB better finish at least 4th, and 3rd to justify the change. Or else, it's a failure of Levy's judgement. Simple as that. Harry has the form; as consistent a record as they come. Change for a bricker outcome = failure; a brick, unnecessary change. Laughable that some of you think our star players would accept 7th? :lol: No fudging way, they'd be running for the doors and I'd be clapping their ambition for doing so.

So, over to you, Andre: match it, or beat it. Good luck with that sunshine.
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Consistent at Southampton?

Ok
 
O'Neill has a far better record. At our gaff he'd dance on Harry's grave. Sheikh hasn't been saying this brick for the past month. Now he wants to build straw men? For me Spurs finish 17th next season I couldn't care less. We don't have that qunt in charge and that's perfect.
 
Finally remember where I know this guy from...

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Sheikh Ma Nuggets said:
Says who? Who says we're moving forward?

I base my view on the knowns, not the unknowns.

Our last three seasons has been: 4th, 5th, 4th.

Who in their right fudging mind would start banging a drum for finishing 5th or even 6th, when that's the form in front of you? All this flimflam about teams around us; teams around us? Hmm okay, well Harry didn't seem to have a problem with what other teams around us were doing, so it seems like some excuse which is already being put in-place in order to justify failure.

It's utter nonsense. The truth here is that some of you got obsessed with Harry Redknapp, the person. But Harry Redknapp, the Tottenham manager, was doing a job which produced a record that not a single one of you can criticise. He didn't need crap like 'oh well what if x team improves, and another one too, blah blah blah'. No, he just on and did the job with the resources he had to work with.

The bottom line for me, is that whoever comes in better get fudging 4th or else it's a failure of Levy's judgement. 6th, 7th? fudge off, are some of you having a laugh? You'd seriously take 7th when we've been riding high up in 4th? Give me a fudging break, or what really IS really important to some of you?

No wonder the media have such a laugh at Spurs fans: if I was a journalist, I'd be laughing my crack off if I read fans of a football club who'd finished 4th, 5th, 4th suddenly saying 'oooh, hmm, well I guess I'd take 6th...and even 7th'. Seriously, no fudging wonder we're labelled small time and laughed about.

I can only imagine what Arsenal fans must be saying - christ almighty, it must be like Santa's come early! Look at the stupid little Spurs fans; had some success, then didn't know what to do with themselves, so they went and sacked the manager and then appointed a Chelsea reject in order to 'take their club in a new direction'. Yep, the 'new direction' is...back to being fudging brick again. And guess what, Spurs fans go back to getting a boner about 'maybe a nice cup run or winning the Europa League'.

Well fudge that. I won't accept 7th. Or 6th. Or even 5th. AVB better finish at least 4th, and 3rd to justify the change. Or else, it's a failure of Levy's judgement. Simple as that. Harry has the form; as consistent a record as they come. Change for a bricker outcome = failure; a brick, unnecessary change. Laughable that some of you think our star players would accept 7th? :lol: No fudging way, they'd be running for the doors and I'd be clapping their ambition for doing so.

So, over to you, Andre: match it, or beat it. Good luck with that sunshine.
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We were riding high in 4th when Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool were a complete shower. All those clubs could have offered higher wages than us and spent more on fees, but all of them were massively under-performing.

It would be stupid to judge AVB basing it on a season that Harry achieved when his direct competitors were all performing seriously below where they should be. Arsenal had so much brick to deal with and yet we couldn't even finish above them, so it wasn't even as good as it should have been IMO.

No-one is knocking what Harry did, the record is good. The 4th in 09/10 was brilliant considering we beat City and all their money. But this 4th was a poor achievement considering the competition. Of course Harry isn't talking about other clubs ability, why would he? It would reduce his achievement. He's only willing to use the 'It's different to the Jol years because now we have to contend with Emirates Marketing Project' line, which is completely fair. But he neglects to mention we didn't have to deal with Chelsea and Liverpool. 4th should have been the minimum last year, and we really should have been 3rd.
 
Spur of the moment said:
You're going back a bit there sunshine. [-X
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Not really. Just pointing out that Harry ain't the miracle worker people wanna say he is and like every other manager he has holes in his CV. It also amazing that it took anyone 10 years to identify his talents whilst at Bournemouth.
 
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