American politics

[Grays_1890]

I've probably said this before.... but the issue is people are stuck in their bubbles/rabbit holes. The vehicle of delivery is addictive, its fed to you constantly and quickly. The algorithm will lock you in, it's good for businesses (whether that's commercial or political gain). I've seen some phone app audits and it's eye watering.

There's no space for critical or lateral thinking?

But zooming further out, I just think people concern themselves with far too much. Most of what happens in the world doesn't come to you, unless you look for it and invite it in. And what does that honestly give you?

And people are so idiotic they don't know they are being used as a sales tool. Big money in racism, its being proven........people are being played

This is the part I agree with SO SO MUCH. I don't think I am special in any way shape or form, I think I am a normal person, I have a fairly decent social circle and because of the nature of my work I would say a larger than normal work one, which means I also see and speak to alot of people and travel this country and abroad. Most of the overblown concerns and bile I read about the country being overtaken, trans people being an issue, London being unliveable, Islam taking over, wokeness everywhere etc etc etc.........Its just frankly BS. None of this stuff impacts on my life because I live in a very live and let live mentality and let people be, they don't impact on me, I don't on them. I don't feel threatened or unsafe in "my own country" and I am probably exposed to areas you would think it would be a problem alot.

As I said yesterday, people are almost ambulance chasing on many of these subjects, there is also ALOT of conflation between things that are not related in order to make things seem worse than they are.

 

[braineclipse]

WTAF!!

How the f*ck do you expect to debate if you can't use facts or opinions?

Seriously...

Try again...

I didnt say you can't use facts or opinions. I said an argument, not just a fact or opinion (or insult).

A fact or opinion alone does not an argument make.

"Not just" means it can include those things, but also has to include other things.

Is that sufficiently clear or do you need it spelled out even further?

I would suggest googling how to construct an argument if not sufficiently clear at this point.

 

[Kandi1977]

Oh shut up. Only fools are buying your BS.

Seriously, I am not joking, the self delusion that you are correct is... Astonishing.

What is dragging this place down are posters like you and your mates, who suddenly can't push away some by constantly resinsulting, insuating, and labelling, just because they have very different opinions than you.

Sorry, if you want a better debate, then stop debating like a world class c*nt.

I had some one put me on ignore last night because i called him out for lying about what I said.

I have done nothing wrong, but be honest with my opinions and backed most of it up with evidence from reputable sources.

Sorry, but you and your jerk circle are the problem not me.

The only one insulting anyone in here, is you. You don't bring a single reflected argument, just vile language and insults, yet claim the moral high ground.
There is a word that decribes behavior like that; Narcissism.

 

[SkipRat]

The only one insulting anyone in here, is you. You don't bring a single reflected argument, just vile language and insults, yet claim the moral high ground.
There is a word that decribes behavior like that; Narcissism.

FFS!!

The BS is unreal. I get page after being told I am racist, bigot, stupid, people laughing at my arguments, lying about what I say, my intelligence being attacked....

Yet I am the only one who is insulting?

I am all up for a proper debate, but then maybe it's the others that shouldn;t be debating like c*nts then.

Its amazing how @thfcsteff and I are having a normal debate.... Maybe it because he is actually debating, rather being than petty c*nt that can only hurle ists and phobes, resorting to lying about what I said, then assuming know what my intelligence levels are.

If you want a debate, then debate, but the left can't help it...

If you want to know why trump won, then you need to look at the insane ideology that is being pushed by elements of the left.

CRT
White privilege
All this woke ideology being forced into everyone's entertain of all kinds, then calling them racist, bigots, transphobes, Nazi's, Fascist and it's all your fault that these shows/films/games are being cancelled, because nobody like the things they enjoy being ruined, by a punch of narrcistist that want everything to represent them... This is the left... And no one is going to give a flying f*ck what you say vote for, or vote for people that you endorse, because they just think you are a bunch of c*nts.

And this is just a tiny tiny fraction of the issues...

And these threads are living proof of this and you and other posters just can't see it. You are so oblivious and ignorant to your own failing that you are doomed to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

And all everyone else in the tread is doing is laughing at me, insulting my intelligence, think that I am talking sh*t....

But ultimately proving everything I say to be correct.

I really honestly don't care what you have to say... If you want a better debate being had, then I suggest you look towards others first.

 

[spurspinter1]

Oh shut up. Only fools are buying your BS.

Seriously, I am not joking, the self delusion that you are correct is... Astonishing.

What is dragging this place down are posters like you and your mates, who suddenly can't push away some by constantly resinsulting, insuating, and labelling, just because they have very different opinions than you.

Sorry, if you want a better debate, then stop debating like a world class c*nt.

I had some one put me on ignore last night because i called him out for lying about what I said.

I have done nothing wrong, but be honest with my opinions and backed most of it up with evidence from reputable sources.

Sorry, but you and your jerk circle are the problem not me.

Deary me mate, I asked a question and predicted I wouldn't get a response but a rant in place of that response. That is what happened, therefore my prediction was correct. Maybe you've now gone back and ministry of truthed it such is the level of your insecurity.

Please stop crying about falling out with everyone and their dog, it's possibly not absolutely everyone else in the world that are meanies. Explore why half the forum has you on ignore, if the answer you come to is "it's everyone else's fault", try again.

 

[Grays_1890]

Deary me mate, I asked a question and predicted I wouldn't get a response but a rant in place of that response. That is what happened, therefore my prediction was correct. Maybe you've now gone back and ministry of truthed it such is the level of your insecurity.

Please stop crying about falling out with everyone and their dog, it's possibly not absolutely everyone else in the world that are meanies. Explore why half the forum has you on ignore, if the answer you come to is "it's everyone else's fault", try again.

In all my time on here I have seen a handful of arguments yet there be many people from both sides of the divide, its telling that one person can come on here and fall out with so many in such a short space of time.

 

[SkipRat]

Deary me mate, I asked a question and predicted I wouldn't get a response but a rant in place of that response. That is what happened, therefore my prediction was correct. Maybe you've now gone back and ministry of truthed it such is the level of your insecurity.

Please stop crying about falling out with everyone and their dog, it's possibly not absolutely everyone else in the world that are meanies. Explore why half the forum has you on ignore, if the answer you come to is "it's everyone else's fault", try again.

This my whole point, it's another insult, an insuation that I am nut job or whatever....

You just can't help but lie, spin and insinuate.

And all I will do is laugh in your face.

You sad and pathetic man.

Please, continue...

 

[SkipRat]

In all my time on here I have seen a handful of arguments yet there be many people from both sides of the divide, its telling

You're a rich one to talk, when you called me a racist c*nt for being factually correct, repeatedly calling me a liar time after time, only to find out that I was right all along.

 

[SkipRat]

I didnt say you can't use facts or opinions. I said an argument, not just a fact or opinion (or insult).

A fact or opinion alone does not an argument make.

"Not just" means it can include those things, but also has to include other things.

Is that sufficiently clear or do you need it spelled out even further?

I would suggest googling how to construct an argument if not sufficiently clear at this point.

But I have made plenty of arguments.

Go back and argue them then if you want a debate.

 

[braineclipse]

Of course, we all are.

What you are not getting is that sometimes people can see what is happening for themselves with being influenced from outside sources.

And this this woke mind virus that has infected so much modern entertainment, is so blatantly obvious is hard not to see it.

It's is pure snobbery and ignorance...

In a previous post someone questioned whether the backlash against woke gaming was a thing? Really?

Go see for yourself.

Go to the steam charts, look at the licks of Concord, abandoned after two weeks, Ubisoft on the verge of collaose, after string of woke disaster after disaster...

Go have a look at what people are really saying and what is happening...

The left are far too arrogant and ignorant to what is actually going on.

Trump winning the election is prime example of this.

So we're in agreement that we're all influenced by the thinking of others.

We're also in agreement (despite your statement to the opposite) that one can see things for oneself and be influenced by others. I haven't disagreed with that.

I've asked you repeatedly for an actual argument or a source to an argument supporting your case.

Am I to think that what you presented here is to you an argument against wokeism? Is this what you consider to be an argument that others should be convinced by? Is this an example of the many arguments you put forward that people aren't able to counter?

 

[SkipRat]

So we're in agreement that we're all influenced by the thinking of others.

We're also in agreement (despite your statement to the opposite) that one can see things for oneself and be influenced by others. I haven't disagreed with that.

I've asked you repeatedly for an actual argument or a source to an argument supporting your case.

Am I to think that what you presented here is to you an argument against wokeism? Is this what you consider to be an argument that others should be convinced by? Is this an example of the many arguments you put forward that people aren't able to counter?

My argument has been that wokeness is one, if not the biggest factors of why Trump won the election?

What part of this is, isn't an argument?

 

[Kandi1977]

My argument has been that wokeness is one, if not the biggest factors of why Trump won the election?

What part of this is, isn't an argument?

That is an opinion, which is fair enough. But to support that opinion and make it an argument, how or why is that the case? Most people don't really know wtf woke is (does anyone?), so why would something most people don't really understand, be the deciding factor in an election?

 

[spurspinter1]

In all my time on here I have seen a handful of arguments yet there be many people from both sides of the divide, its telling that one person can come on here and fall out with so many in such a short space of time.

This type of character is no doubt falling out with himself as much as anyone else, great white Norf was probably right about starving him of attention so grown up discourse (or at least something thar resembles it) can resume.

This my whole point, it's another insult, an insuation that I am nut job or whatever....

You just can't help but lie, spin and insinuate.

And all I will do is laugh in your face.

You sad and pathetic man.

Please, continue...

Again, crying about insults whilst insulting someone else. Do ya see how that's a tad problematic?

An insuation is different to a prediction, a prediction I made that you could've easily scuppered by providing an actual rational reasonable response, yet here we are. Thus the prediction was correct, despite your evident struggles in comprehending it.

I am at a loss to what reaction you're after, but whatever it is, you've achieved it. Consider me devastated and destroyed, defeated even. The crushing blow will be where you quote my lies with indisputable evidence to blow away my entire argument whilst you laugh as everything is apparently hilarious to you.

 

[SkipRat]

That is an opinion, which is fair enough. But to support that opinion and make it an argument, how or why is that the case? Most people don't really know wtf woke is (does anyone?), so why would something most people don't really understand, be the deciding factor in an election?

Because woke is supposed to mean being able to see "percieved" injustice.

The problem with percieved, doesn't mean there is...

And when pushing agendas like white privilege or CRT (being pushed in schools), based on many falsehoods and targetting at mainly white males, claiming you are inherently racist becaue you are white, you can't be racist to white people, and if you don't agree your racist bigot fascist... I have read stories about teachers in America teaching kinds of mixed parents, to identify with the black parents as they are victims and white parents are the oppressors...

How is that going to work out for the side that has been pushing this for years, during an election?

 

[Lost Mango]

Then you wasn't listening to the arguements, and it wasn't the fact that the new Dr was a women that was the problem...

This video explains it very well... And will save me writing a thousand words.

Of course, I doubt you will watch it all, listen to the actual arguments and just prejudge it.

Or this one

You were right. I couldn't be bothered to watch the full 9 minutes of his anecdotal BS waffling. Thought i did well to get to about the 6 minute mark.

He connects dots with no evidence on whether those dots should be joined, beyond him seeing patterns he wants to see. Did Dr Who ratings go down because the writing crew were DEI hires or because they just wrote poor scripts (including the various cis-, hetero-normal, white males in the writing team)? Dr Who crashed in the 90s because??? It wasn't because of progressive policies then. He does also wedge in his belief that Dr Who should be male without explicitly saying that that is part of the problem. The top video is just an opinionated bloke ranting dressing it all up as 'critical thinking' (sounds familiar).

Also spent a short time trawling the various forums that come up when you search woke and the decline of gaming and it seems lots are tinkled off because other people can choose the gender of their character ("woke!!!!") but then the telling line is 'they should concentrate on the narrative and not on these issues' which tends to suggest the game's unpopularity is actually down to it just being a little shyte whether you choose to have a character that identifies as male, female, centaur, chimera or whatever.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Because woke is supposed to mean being able to see "percieved" injustice.

The problem with percieved, does mean it is...

And when push agendas like white privilege, which are based on many falsehoods and targeted at mainly white males, telling that they are automatically racist because of the colour their skin and all white people should feel guilty about themselves.... and if you don't agree your racist scum...

How is that going to work out for the side that is pushing it?

Re the bolded bit - that’s not what white privilege means and I have never heard anyone say all white people/men are automatically racist just due to their skin colour. I don’t especially like ‘white privileged’ as a term because it leads to misinterpretation but as a concept, I don’t see how anyone can argue that for years we have had (and to a fair degree still have) institutions - be it police, judicial, education, health, law, politics - where not being white has been a disadvantage. That doesn’t mean all white people are privileged in terms of outcome just that the system has been geared a certain way since forever and it is far harder if you are not white to start off on a level playing field. That’s where the privilege is. Of course there are then other levels of privilege such as money, class, education etc.that impact all of us.

A few years ago there was a study that after years and years of poor black kids doing bad at school things had changed and it was poor white kids who were the lowest performers. There was outrage. But the point being missed was that this was just a slight swing of the pendulum but, at the end of the day, there were still two groups of underprivileged children in our society getting a brick education. it was just that one group had it slightly less bad than the other. That should be the outrage, that we have an education system that fails so many. But it’s easier for those in power to create division and turn each ‘category’ against one another rather than actually address and fix the problem. It is not in the interests of the establishment

Let’s never forget that whilst we are all arguing over this, the powers that be quite happily carry on wielding their influence and increasing their wealth and power.

 

[Grays_1890]

Re the bolded bit - that’s not what white privilege means and I have never heard anyone say all white people/men are automatically racist just due to their skin colour. I don’t especially like ‘white privileged’ as a term because it leads to misinterpretation but as a concept, I don’t see how anyone can argue that for years we have had (and to a fair degree still have) institutions - be it police, judicial, education, health, law, politics - where not being white has been a disadvantage. That doesn’t mean all white people are privileged in terms of outcome just that the system has been geared a certain way since forever and it is far harder if you are not white to start off on a level playing field. That’s where the privilege is. Of course there are then other levels of privilege such as money, class, education etc.that impact all of us.

A few years ago there was a study that after years and years of poor black kids doing bad at school things had changed and it was poor white kids who were the lowest performers. There was outrage. But the point being missed was that this was just a slight swing of the pendulum but, at the end of the day, there were still two groups of underprivileged children in our society getting a brick education. it was just that one group had it slightly less bad than the other. That should be the outrage, that we have an education system that fails so many. But it’s easier for those in power to create division and turn each ‘category’ against one another rather than actually address and fix the problem. It is not in the interests of the establishment

Let’s never forget that whilst we are all arguing over this, the powers that be quite happily carry on wielding their influence and increasing their wealth and power.

Great post, well put

 

[Grays_1890]

You were right. I couldn't be bothered to watch the full 9 minutes of his anecdotal BS waffling. Thought i did well to get to about the 6 minute mark.

He connects dots with no evidence on whether those dots should be joined, beyond him seeing patterns he wants to see. Did Dr Who ratings go down because the writing crew were DEI hires or because they just wrote poor scripts (including the various cis-, hetero-normal, white males in the writing team)? Dr Who crashed in the 90s because??? It wasn't because of progressive policies then. He does also wedge in his belief that Dr Who should be male without explicitly saying that that is part of the problem. The top video is just an opinionated bloke ranting dressing it all up as 'critical thinking' (sounds familiar).

Also spent a short time trawling the various forums that come up when you search woke and the decline of gaming and it seems lots are tinkled off because other people can choose the gender of their character ("woke!!!!") but then the telling line is 'they should concentrate on the narrative and not on these issues' which tends to suggest the game's unpopularity is actually down to it just being a little shyte whether you choose to have a character that identifies as male, female, centaur, chimera or whatever.

Hahah this is spot on

I find the "Wokeness" in film, TV and video games a real howling at the moon act, just because after years and years of male dominance that characters are now representative of more people. How can society having access to more "heroes" be a problem, as a white male I don't feel marginalised by it, more props to people. It might be a shock to some but there are different people in the world......Dr Who being straight, gay, Bi, Black, White or Orange............who really fckuing cares for Christ sake?

The idea that women can't influence entertainment and decide the theming to make it more feminine like its some crime against men.......if you are someone worried or feel threatened by it, maybe you need to look at yourself


Its just all abit odd

 

[SkipRat]

You were right. I couldn't be bothered to watch the full 9 minutes of his anecdotal BS waffling. Thought i did well to get to about the 6 minute mark.

He connects dots with no evidence on whether those dots should be joined, beyond him seeing patterns he wants to see. Did Dr Who ratings go down because the writing crew were DEI hires or because they just wrote poor scripts (including the various cis-, hetero-normal, white males in the writing team)? Dr Who crashed in the 90s because??? It wasn't because of progressive policies then. He does also wedge in his belief that Dr Who should be male without explicitly saying that that is part of the problem. The top video is just an opinionated bloke ranting dressing it all up as 'critical thinking' (sounds familiar).

Also spent a short time trawling the various forums that come up when you search woke and the decline of gaming and it seems lots are tinkled off because other people can choose the gender of their character ("woke!!!!") but then the telling line is 'they should concentrate on the narrative and not on these issues' which tends to suggest the game's unpopularity is actually down to it just being a little shyte whether you choose to have a character that identifies as male, female, centaur, chimera or whatever.

You call it ancedotal, but it is not...

You are just ignoring it, becaue you don't like it and that possibly can't be the problem... So you brush it off BS.

But it not, you had one of the writers from the Witcher TV series, spilling the beans that the producer (female activists) hated the original story and litrature becase it was to male centric, and she decided that the show should be more about the female characters, and resulting in the Witcher playing 2nd fiddle in his own show.

 

[SkipRat]

Re the bolded bit - that’s not what white privilege means and I have never heard anyone say all white people/men are automatically racist just due to their skin colour. I don’t especially like ‘white privileged’ as a term because it leads to misinterpretation but as a concept, I don’t see how anyone can argue that for years we have had (and to a fair degree still have) institutions - be it police, judicial, education, health, law, politics - where not being white has been a disadvantage. That doesn’t mean all white people are privileged in terms of outcome just that the system has been geared a certain way since forever and it is far harder if you are not white to start off on a level playing field. That’s where the privilege is. Of course there are then other levels of privilege such as money, class, education etc.that impact all of us.

A few years ago there was a study that after years and years of poor black kids doing bad at school things had changed and it was poor white kids who were the lowest performers. There was outrage. But the point being missed was that this was just a slight swing of the pendulum but, at the end of the day, there were still two groups of underprivileged children in our society getting a brick education. it was just that one group had it slightly less bad than the other. That should be the outrage, that we have an education system that fails so many. But it’s easier for those in power to create division and turn each ‘category’ against one another rather than actually address and fix the problem. It is not in the interests of the establishment

Let’s never forget that whilst we are all arguing over this, the powers that be quite happily carry on wielding their influence and increasing their wealth and power.

Oh, I know, I went back and eddited my post, that is more to do with CRT.

Anyway... CRT in America schools (better video)