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thfcsteff
George Hunt
I have provided links to stories which discuss Chauvin's past behaviours. Read them.
As for your "racism without hard proof is conjecture" you couldn't know and wouldn't understand, however much you and Scara wish to be shining light experts. I have mentioned this before and I will do so again. My father -a brown man- was the subject of continual "nudge nudge" racial abuse for a long time at his work. It was ignored because, well, it was nothing really and there was no hard evidence right? Until finally someone investigated properly and saw there was.
I wrote somewhere above that I am as fed up with cancel culture as the next person, but I am more fed up with people getting a free ticket now because of it. Yeah yeah, "Tommy Robinson thrives off conjecture" but sometimes Bedford, we just fudging know it is a duck because it walks like a duck, acts like a duck and quacked like a duck. Anyway, read the links I posted; it shows a disproportionate reaction towards black people, and it also states his former night club employer saying he rather upped his aggression levels when it was a black-booked event.
I'm tired of it.
p.s. apologies to Scara for writing something longer than a twitter length post.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
Because it is flimflam.
I believe his murder had racial motivation.
I don't riot or loot.
You can start with an apology and multiply that for the many millions of people who fee the same.
Or just hold your hand in the air and say, "Hmmmm, I might be talking gonads again!"
I'm not particularly interested in distinguishing between those who did the rioting and those who refused to condemn it - equal levels of culpability as far as I'm concerned.Because it is flimflam.
I believe his murder had racial motivation.
I don't riot or loot.
You can start with an apology and multiply that for the many millions of people who fee the same.
Or just hold your hand in the air and say, "Hmmmm, I might be talking gonad*s again!"
thfcsteff
George Hunt
There you are again. Comedy gold. "They're all the same..."
You should start making these distinctions in life.
Life is not a binary episode.
No-one I know condones looting.
I won't hold my breath for your apology though you owe me one, being the self-professed bastion of manners you proclaim to be.
Bullet
Andy Thompson
We would need to see the previous 5 minutes of footage to work out why that scene played out.
I'm guessing he was stopped primarily because he was a non-white in a new car, which would rightly annoy him, hence not complying quickly with the police, so they pepper sprayed him, so he didn't comply quickly again and it snowballed, but I can't tell that from the video as it only shows the aftermath.
PS Bedfordspurs, you should edit your post above about "bacon mate"
milo
Jack L. Jones
Bullet
Andy Thompson
OK I also found the full video
What on earth was he playing at?
He drives on for about 20 seconds when told to pull over.
Then he is told about 5 times to get out of the car, by cops pointing guns at his head, and he doesn't. I would have been out of that car in 5 seconds.
Just step out of the car and explain it is a new car, then you are on your way - don't be an idiot and cause a massive issue like this.
He drives on for about 20 seconds when told to pull over.
Then he is told about 5 times to get out of the car, by cops pointing guns at his head, and he doesn't. I would have been out of that car in 5 seconds.
Just step out of the car and explain it is a new car, then you are on your way - don't be an idiot and cause a massive issue like this.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
I’d also have been out of that car in 5 seconds if the cops had guns pointed at my head. But then I’m not a black man in America so I’d feel relatively safe to do so without fearing for my life.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
The law is more malleable than anyone likes to admit. Context, what is going on in society, creating new precedence and evolving as morals evolve means laws are less black and white than most think.
Ultimately, this debate comes down to one thing: are you happy with society (or US society’s) racial status quo? Or do you want to see a fairer society where races are treated with greater equality?
We’ll never see no discrimination by race. Humans classify. We always will to some degree. Most don’t believe this policeman would have done the same to a white guy,
but that doesn’t automatically make him consciously racist. However, that misses the important point. The stats and societal evidence is clear, being black disadvantaged you in the US, to the extent that your life is more easily taken by racist or subconsciously (institutionally) racist police. The law needs to support fairness and equality.
Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
Ultimately, this debate comes down to one thing: are you happy with society (or US society’s) racial status quo? Or do you want to see a fairer society where races are treated with greater equality?
We’ll never see no discrimination by race. Humans classify. We always will to some degree. Most don’t believe this policeman would have done the same to a white guy,
but that doesn’t automatically make him consciously racist. However, that misses the important point. The stats and societal evidence is clear, being black disadvantaged you in the US, to the extent that your life is more easily taken by racist or subconsciously (institutionally) racist police. The law needs to support fairness and equality.
Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
I seem to recall you supporting the "protests" (rioting and looting apparently becomes a protest when you attach a flimsy excuse) at the time.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
we don’t have a clapping emoji that works but I’m applauding this post
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
There is a difference between 'supporting' rioting and looting and and understanding of why it is happening. Rioting has been a tool of the unheard since the birth of human civilisation. You're just hearing about it more because of the rise of social media and pace at which information is spread in present times, so it is not a generational thing as you have claimed. Rioting occurs when oppressed people are not heard and in a perpetual state of oppression. You would never understand why someone would be willing to risk their own safety and/or their own life to fight against that. So whilst you're revelling in your persona as a pound-shop Jordan Peterson, you're actually more aligned with EDL Dave down the Rat and Parrot.
Domestic violence has been around for a long time, doesn't make it acceptable.
Society has rules by which we all must abide, whether we're underachieving or not. If rioting is accepted because people don't like their life outcomes, then those of us who like ours should be able to pick and choose the rules we abide by. How about anyone outside the bottom tax brackets gets to stop paying the taxes that feed the people who want to steal trainers and burn shops?
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AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
All this shows is your complete lack of understanding around oppression. The fact you can call it a ‘flimsy excuse’ shows not only your character but your ignorance too. I think I’ll stick to calling you EDL Dave going forwards.
I'm not belittling real oppression, I'm disputing that oppression was the cause of all the looting and burning. There are plenty of people who abhor racism (you and I as examples) who don't feel the need to show it by stealing trainers or burning down someone's business.
You can think of me however you like, I wouldn't be me if that kind of thing mattered. But you know as well as I do that it's entirely inaccurate.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
You’re right, I don’t feel the need to loot or burn stuff. I do involve myself in direct actions and protesting, which you are also scornful towards and belittle, if it doesn’t play out in the exact manner that makes you feel comfortable. I don’t think you’re a racist, but your words and thought processes are just as insidious and unhelpful, and therefore puts you on the side of the oppressor more often than not. The common denominator in that is amongst those that have no lived experience in these areas and an unwillingness to listen and learn from those that do.
thfcsteff
George Hunt
Protests, yes, looting, no.
If one doesn't have the mentality of, say, a Pinochet, this is normal behaviour in a democratic nation.
The latest in a long line of police murders of black people is worth protest and sustained protest.
Your ignorant conflation still dictates that given your self-professed "manners" you owe me an apology. Not that I'm fussed.
BTW, when I posted the update it was to remind people this was murder and not some accidental death caused a pre-existing state or condition. That we have ended up where we have is quite something, and says an awful lot.
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