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2015/16 Europa League - Round of 16: Borussia Dortmund

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Coys300 said:
Longer travel distances, more matches, less time to rest for league matches, is it really that difficult?
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The travel distance thing has been debunked - 30 minutes extra flight time on average iirc

Thur-Sun is no longer than Wed-Sat

If we finish 4th and go in to the qualifiers of the CL then it's one two additional games
 
If we finish 4th and go into the qualifiers of the CL then it's the same number of games as if we finish 5th (or 6th if the FA Cup winners qualify for CL not EL).
 
I think the last 3 months have shewn we're not ready for CL. What will improve us is getting into the routine of playing nigh on 60 games in a season with a full squad.

What doesn't help is having a quarter of your squad not up to playing. The names are all out there, but hopefully will be shifted and fresh, eager, competitive blood brought in.
 
Coys300 said:
By leaving out the year with the most travel distances? Yes, that makes sense...



How stupid is this argument? Surely you realise by now that it's not just Wed-Sat?
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Yeah it's called an anomoly - you could quite concievably get a similarly arduous CL draw, but as with both it's not common.

So one day every month or so less time is what we're crying about?
 
billyiddo said:
The travel distance thing has been debunked - 30 minutes extra flight time on average iirc

Thur-Sun is no longer than Wed-Sat
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You're right but remember that half the champ league games are on Tuesdays so they play at least 3 Tues-Sat plus being part of the Sky 4 cartel there's a decent chance that the CL teams' PL games go back to the Sunday anyway. EL guarantees you a 3 day turnaround (we never play Monday night for some reason) but CL provides you with a minimum of a 3 day turnaround.
 
GPRD81 said:
You're right but remember that half the champ league games are on Tuesdays so they play at least 3 Tues-Sat plus being part of the Sky 4 cartel there's a decent chance that the CL teams' PL games go back to the Sunday anyway. EL guarantees you a 3 day turnaround (we never play Monday night for some reason) but CL provides you with a minimum of a 3 day turnaround.
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But then they play Sat-Tue, which is the same depending on the opposition.
 
Coys300 said:
Longer travel distances, more matches, less time to rest for league matches, is it really that difficult?
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Thursday - Sunday is less recovery time than Weds - Saturday? OK.

Playing Lyon in the EL is further than playing Marseille in the CL? OK.

Did we play more games in the EL than Barcelona have in the CL? OK.
 
the long term implications of not wanting EL qualification are simply ludicrous.

in effect people are saying: if we are not better than Man Utd, Aresnal, Chelsea, Emirates Marketing Project - i want us on a consistent basis to perform worse than Swansea and Southampton, because us being worse than Swansea and Southampton improves our chances of being better than Chelsea and Man Utd. Its a very weird take on things.

if we, at the start of the season, are not good enough to be better than Man Utd, people want us to actively become worse than Swansea. i'd say thats fairly difficult to implement.
 
Now that Swansea are out of the equation this is the picture going into the final weekend:

5th: Liverpool 62pts +9 (Stoke C away)
6th: Tottenham H 61 pts +4 (Everton away)
7th: Southampton 60pts +23 (Emirates Marketing Project away)

So, that means:

If Liverpool win they will be guaranteed to finish 5th and above both Spurs and Southampton.
If Liverpool draw and we win we finish above them; If liverpool draw, we draw and Southampton win then Southampton would be 5th, Liverpool 6th and Spurs 7th.
If Liverpool lose we would still have to win to finish above them (unless they lose by 6 goals).

With City on form I would think it unlikely that Southampton will get anything from them. Liverpool dropping points at Stoke is feasible but you wouldn't back us to win at Everton either.

I think it's most likely that the 5, 6, 7 will remain as they are meaning that we will finish 6th - an Arsenal FA Cup win would secure an automatic place in the EL group stages whereas as a Villa FA Cup win would see us go into the 3rd qualifying round.
 
Coys300 said:
Lol, the EL is clearly more disruptive than the CL, you just seem to have a different idea on the word many. Nobody is actually saying that the CL doesn't have an impact either on League form. But compared to the EL it's actually pretty shocking that it benefits teams more. The biggest competition actually has less of an impact than the less valuable one, that's just weird. It's like having to play more matches to reach the League Cup final than you do the FA-cup one, that just doesn't seem right. Besides, why would you leave that year out where we travelled a lot? Seems pretty convenient to leave that out to make your point?
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if thats really what you think he said then i'm afraid i also have to question your reading comprehension skills: he said based on hard facts, the amount of travelling this season has been an exception to to a rule.

The following is completely possible:

EL Group:
Lille, Celtic, Tottenham, Mönchengladbach.

CL Group:
Porto, Zenit St. Petersburg, Tottenham, Trabzonspor.

I can't be bothered to check the co-efficients but you get the point.
 
Armchair Expert said:
if we, at the start of the season, are not good enough to be better than Man Utd, people want us to actively become worse than Swansea. i'd say thats fairly difficult to implement.
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It's not just "fairly difficult to implement"; in my view it's positively ridiculous. I want us to win every match. I want us to finish as high as possible. That's what being a Spurs fan means in my world. Wanting us to finish mid-table because we miss out on Top Four is just weird to me... it smacks of a sense of entitlement and a kind of general begrudgery that I cannot relate to.

But that's just my view; doesn't mean I'm right.
 
billyiddo said:
Had not picked up on this before.

Should end the extra days rest argument
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If you're in Europe and stay in the league cup you have no free midweeks from September until the week before christmas. You'll usually have 2 or 3 days between games, sometimes 4.
 
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