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2015/16 Europa League - Round of 16: Borussia Dortmund

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Saints beating Villa 3 - 0 nil. Mane hat-trick.

Looks like the people who want us to be worse than Swansea and Saints might get their wish.
 
Just a quick one, how does it work long term? Those people who want us to finish outside the EL places - what happens next year when we also aren't good enough for champions league? Do we start aimiing to finish in the lower half? Do we want season after season finishing 11th or 12th rather than 6th?

I don't even understand this cl business. we're fudging miles off at the moment!
 
Armchair Expert said:
Just a quick one, how does it work long term? Those people who want us to finish outside the EL places - what happens next year when we also aren't good enough for champions league? Do we start aimiing to finish in the lower half? Do we want season after season finishing 11th or 12th rather than 6th?

I don't even understand this cl business. we're fudgeing miles off at the moment!
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Seems straight forward. We finish 5/6th. Pick a team from youth/reserves etc and we stick with them through europa. I assume their may be certain rules against that type of thing but we should be able to not list our top 10 players. We get knocked out early, so what. Don't think Levy would allow it, but didn't see him getting involved in the push for Europa English sides to play Monday night.
 
Armchair Expert said:
Just a quick one, how does it work long term? Those people who want us to finish outside the EL places - what happens next year when we also aren't good enough for champions league? Do we start aimiing to finish in the lower half? Do we want season after season finishing 11th or 12th rather than 6th?

I don't even understand this cl business. we're fudgeing miles off at the moment!
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Right now you are right, there is no point for us not to be in the EL. Okay, it effects our league form, but we won't make top-four anyway. Those people did have a point in the previous years though, especially under AVB we failed to get top-four due to the EL in particular.
 
Direct entry into the Group stages vs entry into the 3rd qualifying round....quite a difference. You'd expect Arse to beat Villa in the FAC so assuing Man C beat Soton next week then we're fine already/ Would be nice to avoid 2 extra 2 legged rounds early in the season
 
Right now City are our allies. They win both their last two matches we finish no lower than 6th. They win either one of the two we are guaranteed minimum 7th. I would be astounded if we finished 8th now
 
The wheels are coming off Liverwhine's 5th place at the moment.

We could double or re-double the Scouse misery ... consider this.

Liverwhinge would have to lose large for our draw to allow us to overtake them, and Soton win would put them above us.

Should Liverscreech draw (at Stoke), wins for us (at Everton) and Soton (at Man C) would mean they're in 8th place ..... and then Timmeh will keep them out of Europe.

Everton could yet get the Fair Play place

Sooooooo much going on next week ! And on FA Cup result
 
Whiffler said:
The wheels are coming off Liverwhine's 5th place at the moment.

We could double or re-double the Scouse misery ... consider this.

Liverwhinge would have to lose large for our draw to allow us to overtake them, and Soton win would put them above us.

Should Liverscreech draw (at Stoke), wins for us (at Everton) and Soton (at Man C) would mean they're in 8th place ..... and then Timmeh will keep them out of Europe.

Everton could yet get the Fair Play place

Sooooooo much going on next week ! And on FA Cup result
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I know where you are coming from, but Livermoan can only finish 8th if they lose heavily at Stoke and Swansea have two big wins in their last 2 matches, but yes, it is feasible that Liverpool could finish 7th and Villa win the Cup and deny them any European football.

Tbh though it would not surprise me in the slightest if Swansea fail to win today ruling them out of the equation , then all 3 of us,Livermoan and SCBC losing their away matches next weekend.
Would love to see us win next Sunday though. It might even be one of those days where the home fans wouldnt mind it either, espcially if news filters through later on that Stoke are leading with minutes remaining...
 
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Well, this extra knock-out round against Fiorentina came pretty inconvenient this year don't you think? Meanwhile CL-contender Chelsea had a whole week to rest for the final against us.



Which is actually true.
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Point one may have been inconvenient but it is still not true that we play MANY more games in the EL compered to the CL.

If we had won the EL we would have played a total of 16 games, now if the Arse had won the CL they would have played 15 games and if Chelski had won they would have played 13, so there is not that much difference.


As for point 2 then again the myth that we travel MANY more miles in the EL then the CL is again used as a excuse for those who think after one season in the CL we are too good for the EL. Below is a post I made earlier in the thread which shows that.






And to add to the above here is " all the extra miles we fly in the EL cobblers" this research was done by a fan who goes to all the EL games, now I have not done the checking but from my own travelling to these games I think he has the sums right.


Since we got back into Europe in 2006/07 we-have done the Following Europa League mileage: -



2006/07 to 4307 miles (861 average per game)

2007/08 to 5,308 miles (1,061 average per game)

2008/09 to 3547 miles (886 average per game)

2011/12 to 3941 miles (985 average per game)

2012/13 to 4651 miles (avaerage 775 per game)

2013/14 to 9,056 miles (1,509 average per game)



As you can see this season has-been an anomoly with us traveling 3748 miles more than we've ever done in one season before!



Over Our entire time in the Europa League over the above seasons (30 games) we-have on average Travelled 1,027 miles per game. If you take out this season All which has-been high abnormaly Then it works out at an average of 906 miles per game (24 games).



In contrast the average distance from London for the teams in this years CL group stage is 757 miles.

So leaving aside this seasons abnormaly long trips the average game away Europa is just 149 miles further than the average CL away game. To Put That in perspective it's about 20-30 minutes flying time along. Hardly I think that's going to make much difference!
 
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I know where you are coming from, but Livermoan can only finish 8th if they lose heavily at Stoke and Swansea have two big wins in their last 2 matches, but yes, it is feasible that Liverpool could finish 7th and Villa win the Cup and deny them any European football.

Tbh though it would not surprise me in the slightest if Swansea fail to win today ruling them out of the equation , then all 3 of us,Livermoan and SCBC losing their away matches next weekend.
Would love to see us win next Sunday though. It might even be one of those days where the home fans wouldnt mind it either, espcially if news filters through later on that Stoke are leading with minutes remaining...
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Yes - I meant 7th.
 
Lol, the EL is clearly more disruptive than the CL, you just seem to have a different idea on the word many. Nobody is actually saying that the CL doesn't have an impact either on League form. But compared to the EL it's actually pretty shocking that it benefits teams more. The biggest competition actually has less of an impact than the less valuable one, that's just weird. It's like having to play more matches to reach the League Cup final than you do the FA-cup one, that just doesn't seem right. Besides, why would you leave that year out where we travelled a lot? Seems pretty convenient to leave that out to make your point?
 
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Lol, the EL is clearly more disruptive than the CL, you just seem to have a different idea on the word many. Nobody is actually saying that the CL doesn't have an impact either on League form. But compared to the EL it's actually pretty shocking that it benefits teams more. The biggest competition actually has less of an impact than the less valuable one, that's just weird. It's like having to play more matches to reach the League Cup final than you do the FA-cup one, that just doesn't seem right. Besides, why would you leave that year out where we travelled a lot? Seems pretty convenient to leave that out to make your point?
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how is the el clearly more disruptive than the cl?
 
I have heard all the arguments against playing in the Europa League. And some of them even make a little sense. But ultimately I can't get around any Spurs fan wanting us to finish lower in the league than our performances merit. If we finish 5th or 6th it's because we were the 5th or 6th best side in the premier league over the course of this season (despite our late collapse). I would much rather that be the case than us be the 8th or 9th best team in the league.

I'm also the kind of fan who would rather win a trophy than "place" in a competition. We have a semi-realistic chance of winning the Europa League. For me, that makes it an exciting competition. At this moment in our history, we would just be making up the numbers in the Champions League... hoping against hope that we might even make it to the quarter finals again!

I'd love every minute of a CL campaign, don't get me wrong, but I'd love a Europa League win more than a Champions League quarter final defeat. And to be honest, I don't fully understand fans who wouldn't. But hey it takes all sorts!
 
Coys300 said:
Lol, the EL is clearly more disruptive than the CL, you just seem to have a different idea on the word many. Nobody is actually saying that the CL doesn't have an impact either on League form. But compared to the EL it's actually pretty shocking that it benefits teams more. The biggest competition actually has less of an impact than the less valuable one, that's just weird. It's like having to play more matches to reach the League Cup final than you do the FA-cup one, that just doesn't seem right. Besides, why would you leave that year out where we travelled a lot? Seems pretty convenient to leave that out to make your point?
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I did not leave it out at all its there but as the guy said that one season was a anomaly( and I dare say that happens in the CL on occasion), I took it for granted you would understand what the word meant ( my mistake).

But you were right on one thing LOL.
 
Roberto Martinez: Europa League would be perfect for developing Everton youngsters
ROBERTO MARTINEZ insists he would welcome qualification for the Europa League through the backdoor of the Fair Play league even though it could mean Everton’s season begins at the start of July.
By PAUL JOYCE
PUBLISHED: 09:42, Thu, May 14, 2015 | UPDATED: 09:52, Thu, May 14, 2015

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“It clearly brings extra demands,” said Martinez. “But we learnt huge, valuable lessons this season and I wouldn’t mind putting those lessons into place again.

“You develop a mentality that allows you to compete in Europe and domestically and we are a football club that wants to be in Europe. The Fair Play position is that therr are two games to play and we will see where it takes us.

“But I would welcome whatever comes our way. If it is earlier rounds in the Europa League, it would be a great opportunity and a good challenge for the youngsters to be involved in the early rounds. It would be a chance to show the good work we are doing behind the scenes.

“It would bring terrific experience and we would see how we get on and how far that would take us.

“As a whole it is such a beneficial season the one we have experienced, that we want to do it again in the future.

“It would mean sharing the responsibility and doing it with the younger players at the club. That is something that we already put in place. The pre-season preparations would not be affected for the first team. We are well prepared either way if we have a qualifying game, then we have a team of a younger generation ready to face that.

“We would embrace it. We are talking about something that is not yet in front of us, but we have put things in place so that we are well prepared.”
 
Do supporters who bemoan the extra demands of playing EL football take that in to consideration when assessing our league performances? I can't think of a club which has consistently played EL over a number of seasons and maintained top 6 finishes like we have - Everton, Villa, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and other clubs have qualified for the tournament and have each suffered poor league finishes - whether as a result or not idk but our consistency in finishing top 6 and reaching the knockouts of the EL is something i feel often goes without comment...
 
We can conceivably fit in at least 6 - 8 second squad players or promising youngsters in the group phases and leave 7 first teamers at home. So what's the problem|?
 
I am liking the fact Martinez wouldnt mind Everton being in the Europa League, perhaps next weekend his players might be reluctant to put in reckless challenges to avoid picking up yelllow cards with them being in with a shout of topping our Fair Play table
 
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