Luka Vuskovic

[harr1984]

That's exactly what I feel too. In fact since he went to Hamburg I've seen nothing that suggests that he (and by 'he' I mean him and his 'team') has any interest in Spurs. Now he expects us to guarantee him a starting place to allow him to build his profile and secure a move to one of the 'top' clubs that are allegedly super keen on him. I don't know exactly why another loan is so unacceptable to him but he seems determined to get a permanent move and has been gradually ramping up the pressure on the club. Liking the Romano's instagram message and the quotes in the Evening Standard about playing for a club "that wants me" seem like the next step. There's also a story that he is prepared to submit a formal transfer request although I see that as a tactic rather than reality. I don't believe for a second that Spurs has said that they don't want him but I hope they have made it clear that they are not simply going to bend over to give Vuskovic what he wants when he wants it. This is a 19 year old who has never played a first team game, not played in the PL or in a back four and has done pretty well for one season on loan, still has four years soon his contract but seems to want to dictate when and where he will play. For me, however good he might be in the future, he's already close to being too much trouble and a decent profit and a reasonable sell on clause wouldn't bother me too much.

Yeah that makes sense. What I'd say is I'd stop short of making him out to be some sort of trouble maker as we don't know the full story, but the only noise about not being at Spurs has been from him and his agent.

It just shows those criticising the club are wrong to do so when there is more behind it - We dont make a habit of selling young talents, there are a few here now who we wouldn't sell so between RDZs take on where he sees Vuskovic, and the players own intention there is more to this potential sale than needing to get money in....

 

[revlis]

They are different but signal the same message: I don’t want to be at Spurs

He could become one of the best in the world. Why would you sit on the bench? He’s got one career, fair play if he wants to go out and play for every week.

We of course don’t know the full story, so I’d be inclined to hold fire criticising either the club or him at this point. No doubt far more to it than any of us know.

 

[Gazza]

Let’s wait till the dust settles to see where things stand rather than making up scenarios to justify an opinion, eh?

But even if that was the case, it’s good business

 

[NaijaSpurs]

I have given this situation some more thought and if I were management I would simply tell him he has 4 years left on his contract and he ain't going anywhere. Tell him we rate him but he needs more experience out on loan. He can like it or not, either way I would not give a damn.

And if he puts in a transfer request, any buying club would have to match our valuation which is definitely not £45m.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Him becoming a generational talent won't make or break us as a team and we've seen plenty of hyped youngsters not make the grade so i can see why the manager would make the choice of selling now, if that's the case.

Whether he's good or not in 3-4 years, obviously nobody knows....but a manager dictating the long game side of our business for his short term benefit is not a good thing. As I said previously, both sides of this business should co-exist without compromise. Either the nepos haven't a clue, or haven't the money.

If he goes...Let's hope he's not the next Ledley.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

It seems to me that the boy is unhappy because we have not guaranteed him a starting role next season.

....all he's seeing is we've signed two CBs ...so probably (rightfully) thinking 'wher do I fit in?'

 

[glasgowspur]

Send him back to hamburg, he gets to play every week, he's with his family and may even get to play his brother.
Tell him next season with more euro games he comes to us and plays.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

I think Vuskovic is the real deal, and will become a top top centre back. HOWEVER, I also think that, in JPvH and Senesi we've got two centre backs who are ahead of him at the moment. Senesi looks pretty damn good – the type who lifts others around him – while JPvH looks to have attributes that our current manager wants and, importantly, has worked with him before.

If that was all, we could keep Vuskovic and, as 3rd choice CB, he'll get a healthy wodge of game time. However, we also have VdV and Romero, both of whom have shown that they can be much better defenders than than they have been for the last two seasons. The problem is that they have not done well as a pairing. It may be that JPvH-VdV or Senesi-Romero can become our new Toby and Jan instead.

Vuskovic plus a year's Prem experience (assuming he takes to it as well as he's taken to the Bundesliga) would be good enough to walk into our side. Right not, not quite. And the problem with loaning him to a PL side is that, well, we've just finished 17th twice so almost any other team would be a step up in theory.

RDZ has done the right thing in buying JPvH and Senesi, IMHO. Build from the back and, if good defenders are available, get them. They are less of a gamble than Vuskovic. If we're going to play two CBs, there just isn't room for him unless both VdV and Romero are off. If it's a back 3, well, that could work if just of our senior defenders packs his bags.

I've not even mentioned Danso, who's a player I've got a lot of time for. If he's happy to stick around as backup, I will be very happy indeed.

Romero is off.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Maybe his issue is that we haven’t had those discussions and he’s seen us sign two experience PL center backs and (quite rightly) questions whether staying at Spurs is the best thing for his career.

Far too sensible a theory. Have another crack

 

[Gutter Boy]

Send him back to hamburg, he gets to play every week, he's with his family and may even get to play his brother.
Tell him next season with more euro games he comes to us and plays.

Then he'll never be homegrown or club trained. He's also already shown he's too good for that league (3rd in player of the season)

 

[Gutter Boy]

Just a random thought. As he's front footed defensively, a strong passer, press resistant dribbler and goalscorer - any chance de Zerbi may be eyeing him for on for the CM double pivot roles? A bit liked a suped up Dier c.2015

 

[Mabspurs]

Just a random thought. As he's front footed defensively, a strong passer, press resistant dribbler and goalscorer - any chance de Zerbi may be eyeing him for on for the CM double pivot roles? A bit liked a suped up Dier c.2015

Makes more sense to go to a back 3 - even shifting VDV to left back for some games especially those against the top 4.

RDZ has used 3-4-3 formations in the past...

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With all CBs comfortable in progressing the ball, one of them can move into midfield when we are in the offensive. Plus Viscovic would have two experienced teamamtes and will not be as exposed as in a back 4, especially with VDV's pace bailing him out with regards to his major deficit.... pace and turn

Would also maximise what is now probably our strongest part of the squad.

 

[Bishop]

It smells like balancing zero net spend again

- Two frees
- Romero pays for van Hecke
- Vuscovic pays for Savinho
- Bergvall pays for new CM
- Remaining deadwood cobbled together pays for CF

And that's fine if the net result is an improved team.

 

[Gutter Boy]

And that's fine if the net result is an improved team.

Its shorted sighted giving away one of biggest prospects in world football for a quick buck though. We shouldnt be deminished to doing that

 

[Yiddo]

Its shorted sighted giving away one of biggest prospects in world football for a quick buck though. We shouldnt be deminished to doing that

If we don’t think he is ready for premier league football at the level we want to be and he is not happy being loaned out then it makes perfect sense to sell him. Again, if he is as rated as you make out, why aren’t the big boys coming in for him? He won’t get a starting place in any of those teams either and that says a lot about how ready he actually is.

 

[Bishop]

Its shorted sighted giving away one of biggest prospects in world football for a quick buck though. We shouldnt be deminished to doing that

Maybe, I actually think a lot of the hype is because he's a defender who scores goals. How good is actually at defending? This remains to be seen.

Maybe he's a potential great but I dunno I'm not one to go along with the Spurs fan hype train, we are forever claiming a young player is the next coming and it's basically never the case.

There are always good players available, there will be another Vuscovic (assuming he meets the potential you believe him to have) and maybe the timing will be a better fit for us.

if Vuscovic doesn't see a future for himself here or doesn't see a scenario where he's going to develop which from his POV I can understand. We've finished 17th twice in a row, played dreadfully and naively and have now brought in 2 more CBs presumably ahead of him. Looking to go elsewhere, especially somewhere like Brighton where you can see their development history, it makes sense. So if that is all true then letting him go I don't think is that bad a decision.

A loan would be our best interest but the player seemingly doesn't agree. Should we force him to stay even if he now wants to leave?

 

[Raziel]

Maybe, I actually think a lot of the hype is because he's a defender who scores goals. How good is actually at defending? This remains to be seen.

Maybe he's a potential great but I dunno I'm not one to go along with the Spurs fan hype train, we are forever claiming a young player is the next coming and it's basically never the case.

There are always good players available, there will be another Vuscovic (assuming he meets the potential you believe him to have) and maybe the timing will be a better fit for us.

if Vuscovic doesn't see a future for himself here or doesn't see a scenario where he's going to develop which from his POV I can understand. We've finished 17th twice in a row, played dreadfully and naively and have now brought in 2 more CBs presumably ahead of him. Looking to go elsewhere, especially somewhere like Brighton where you can see their development history, it makes sense. So if that is all true then letting him go I don't think is that bad a decision.

A loan would be our best interest but the player seemingly doesn't agree. Should we force him to stay even if he now wants to leave?

No, but it doesn't mean we should be bent over on the transfer.

I agree with @NaijaSpurs it's a conversation with the player, we took a gamble early with you, we have done good for you with two highly impactful loans, we see a future but not this season yet.

If he wants to go, the buying club has to cover our evaluation, and quite honestly I'm laughing a bit at Brighton, they fudged us with JVH and they expect a deal now?

Edit: personally anything north of 50M +sell on clause, we probably should take.

 

[metalgear]

It smells like balancing zero net spend again

- Two frees
- Romero pays for van Hecke
- Vuscovic pays for Savinho
- Bergvall pays for new CM
- Remaining deadwood cobbled together pays for CF

i am fearful it comes down to this - we need a new front three and AM

 

[metalgear]

he has no love for tottenham
its what happens when you don't put football first - new stadiums and concerts don't attract the best footballers.
profit and move on...

 

[Raziel]

he has no love for tottenham
its what happens when you don't put football first - new stadiums and concerts don't attract the best footballers.
profit and move on...
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Has nothing to do with stadium, more to do with an asshole agent and a desire to play 1st team football.

For a Croat to have no love of Tottenham and it be our fault is a bit of a stretch.