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You are the Ref
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Foul and abusive language is a straight red.
Whiffler
Jermaine Jenas
1. Not lot of info as to the attacker's actual involvement. Years ago it might have been different, but now there it seems more important that you have gained an unfair advantage through being in an offside position. If that advantage is handed you on a plate you shouldn't suffer. Book the defender for stepping outside or ungentlemanly play for trying to make another player guilty.
2. Denying it is the offence, so unless you've blown you allow it - book for ungentlemanly play or deliberate handball. If you blow for red you may not play advantage.
3. not sure - I've seen some surprising kit clashes allowed, but no idea whether any complaints were made
2. Denying it is the offence, so unless you've blown you allow it - book for ungentlemanly play or deliberate handball. If you blow for red you may not play advantage.
3. not sure - I've seen some surprising kit clashes allowed, but no idea whether any complaints were made
1. Awkward one, technically the striker is offside so free kick. Defender should be booked for leaving field of play without referees permission and if you're feeling really nasty book them again when they return without your permission 
2. Play advantage and award the goal, then red card for the defender for the handball (denying a goal scoring opportunity)
3. Shouldn't have happened referee should ask for jersey change.
2. Play advantage and award the goal, then red card for the defender for the handball (denying a goal scoring opportunity)
3. Shouldn't have happened referee should ask for jersey change.
Agreed, allow the goal and red card him.
Armenia Spur
Steven Caulker
1. The attacker is not offside, allow play to continue. You'd see that happening alot more if it wasn't illegal. Book the defender for leaving the pitch.
2. Either award the goal and a yellow, or a penalty and a red. The ref can still go back to the earlier act even if he hasn't blown his whistle 1/1000th of a second after the initial handball.
3. Play on, the kit clash is minimal.
2. Either award the goal and a yellow, or a penalty and a red. The ref can still go back to the earlier act even if he hasn't blown his whistle 1/1000th of a second after the initial handball.
3. Play on, the kit clash is minimal.
Sandman
Jermaine Jenas
1. Defender is not allowed to leave the field of play without permission. Goal Stands.
2. Initial offence is enforced. Handball. Penalty and red Card for the player.
3. The Referee will have inspected the Kits before the game and deemed them playable. But if both teams agree then and referee afrees the kit can be changed. ( example Man Utd v Southampton).
2. Initial offence is enforced. Handball. Penalty and red Card for the player.
3. The Referee will have inspected the Kits before the game and deemed them playable. But if both teams agree then and referee afrees the kit can be changed. ( example Man Utd v Southampton).
Dicko
Paul Stalteri
On related note to 1. I've seen it quite a few times (both when I've been playing and on TV) where after a corner or when there is a goal mouth scramble or something that a striker steps off the pitch next to the goal to avoid being offside. I have never seen anyone booked or warned for doing it.
i could be acompletely wrong, but i dont think it is a bookable offense. but if a striker steps off the pitch, he basically becomes innactive (in terms of being offside). however, if a defender does it, he would be playing everyone onside. because he would still be considered as being in play in his last position on the pitch (the byline).
Nezza
Ben Thatcher
Law 12:-
Cautionable offences
A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of the following seven offences:
unsporting behaviour
dissent by word or action
persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game
delaying the restart of play
failure to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a corner kick, free kick or throw-in
entering or re-entering the field of play without the referee's permission
deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee's permission
Cautionable offences
A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card if he commits any of the following seven offences:
unsporting behaviour
dissent by word or action
persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game
delaying the restart of play
failure to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a corner kick, free kick or throw-in
entering or re-entering the field of play without the referee's permission
deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee's permission
but, what is the actual interpretation of that rule?
doesnt it more refer to players abandoning the game, or leaving the pitch for a more permanent period of time? players fall out of the pitch's boundaries all the time without the referee's permission. they never get booked for this. would like to hear what a qualified ref has to say on this, if theres one on the forums
doesnt it more refer to players abandoning the game, or leaving the pitch for a more permanent period of time? players fall out of the pitch's boundaries all the time without the referee's permission. they never get booked for this. would like to hear what a qualified ref has to say on this, if theres one on the forums
The key word in the Law is "deliberately", leaving the field of play whilst running, tripping, falling etc is not deemed deliberate.
On a side note it happened to me many years ago when I was still active, a defender left the field of play after a corner had been half cleared so the strikers would be offside, the attacking team scored and the defenders appealed for offside, I allowed the goal. After a quiet word with the defender who stepped of the field of play and his captain I suggested that they should accept the decision as I would otherwise ahve had to enforce Law 12 above and cautioned the player for leaving the field of play without my permission and, of course, cautioning for re-entering without my permission. The defender then said "I seem to remember part of my foot WAS on the pitch when they scored so he wasn't offside".
Superted
Jonathan Woodgate
Don't know why but I read it as one movement - i.e. the defender sticks out his arm and as it strikes him he throws the ball into the net, but re-reading it, I think you're right.
haha thats a good annecdote. i was once thinking of doing something similar myself before i found out that it wouldnt work after asking a referee. but, would a player have to be booked (technically), if he left the field without consent for treatment to an injury? or if he quickly left the field for a quick drink whilst the play was occuring at the other end of the pitch?
Technically yes but there is always the overriding rule of "In the referees opinion.......". Of course if a player is injured he should just drop on the spot and the referee would allow treatment on the pitch. As for leaving the field of play for a drink optics on the goalpost is a better option.
SteveAWOL
Chris Jones
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/10/you-are-the-ref-paul-trevillion
Keith Hackett's verdict:
1) The defender is considered to be on the goalline – so the attacker is onside and play continues. When the phase of play is complete, caution the defender for unsporting behaviour (leaving the field of play without permission). Martin Buckley wins the shirt.
2) His quick thinking has saved him. He has not denied a goal, so there is no red card offence. Award the goal, then show the defender a yellow card for his deliberate hand ball. Thanks to Nathan Booth.
3) It goes without saying that this is something that should have been sorted out before kick-off – and teams should definitely not play with the same coloured sleeves due to the problems that can arise when you're trying to judge handballs. As there is now so long until half-time, have a word with the away side's bench, ask them to prepare an alternative strip urgently, then suspend play at the first opportunity to allow for a change. If there's a problem with providing the alternative strip speedily, carry on to half-time, then make the change. But, clearly, the sooner the better. Thanks to Conor Thompson.
Keith Hackett's verdict:
1) The defender is considered to be on the goalline – so the attacker is onside and play continues. When the phase of play is complete, caution the defender for unsporting behaviour (leaving the field of play without permission). Martin Buckley wins the shirt.
2) His quick thinking has saved him. He has not denied a goal, so there is no red card offence. Award the goal, then show the defender a yellow card for his deliberate hand ball. Thanks to Nathan Booth.
3) It goes without saying that this is something that should have been sorted out before kick-off – and teams should definitely not play with the same coloured sleeves due to the problems that can arise when you're trying to judge handballs. As there is now so long until half-time, have a word with the away side's bench, ask them to prepare an alternative strip urgently, then suspend play at the first opportunity to allow for a change. If there's a problem with providing the alternative strip speedily, carry on to half-time, then make the change. But, clearly, the sooner the better. Thanks to Conor Thompson.