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Vincent Janssen

My thoughts on what happened here is that we were originally given a ball park figure by AZ (probably around £12 to £14 million) when they allowed us to speak to the player.

We then put in a few lower offers to test the water and didn't manage to get a deal agreed (perhaps because we had other irons in the fire or perhaps because we wanted a bargain?). Since that time the AZ chairman has seen the sorts of fees that are being offered for forwards this summer and realised that he was underselling his asset.

It seems that now we have probably got to the amount that AZ originally wanted (hence Janssen's frustration that the club aren't honouring the agreement to sell him) but over those few weeks that have elapsed since we first spoke to him AZ have got wise to the market. We will therefore probably have to pay 2 to 4 million quid more than would've if we'd met their valuation a few weeks ago.

Just my thoughts on the matter, but it would seem to fit the events.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Meet you half way?

I read that payment terms was the issue. Spread over 3 years, while they asked for cash upfront.
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I would be surpriseed if they would demand cash up front. Transfers are generally always structured over a number of years and AZ do not have any immediate cash flow problems to worry about covering. If a club was really bothered about receiving money straight away they could easily borrow off of an instituation, securing the loan directly against the payments due from the club buying their player.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Why would anyone pay £20m for a back-up striker whose only had 1 season in top flight football?

Just because a couple of other teams are throwing around unsustainable amounts, doesn't mean we should jump off that cliff too.

According to the reports yesterday, we are currently only £1.5m apart in valuation (£15m vs £16.5m), so this looks close to resolution
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That was just a figure I threw up ... in the same light why pay 15 mil for a back up striker? You pay what the market dictates
 
Finney Is Back said:
I would be surpriseed if they would demand cash up front. Transfers are generally always structured over a number of years and AZ do not have any immediate cash flow problems to worry about covering. If a club was really bothered about receiving money straight away they could easily borrow off of an instituation, securing the loan directly against the payments due from the club buying their player.
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Probably goes something like: you can have him at £17m if you pay it all now, or £19m spread over 3 years. Who knows. Levy needs to add value. Maybe loan a player to them? Offer to pay upfront if its 15. We don't even know if this is an issue. But it does sound like they have reached an impasse. When the player is prompted to speak out, it is usually because there is frustration, and terms can't be agreed between the clubs.
 
I think its the same thing as what happens every window, in between the initial interest and the deals going through there's a lot of money for journos to make by filling in the time - it's easy enough to make up a short article which sounds plausible and there's no shortage of people who'll read it so it's easy money for them really
 
billyiddo said:
I think its the same thing as what happens every window, in between the initial interest and the deals going through there's a lot of money for journos to make by filling in the time - it's easy enough to make up a short article which sounds plausible and there's no shortage of people who'll read it so it's easy money for them really
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True and what makes it worse is that some people believe it and react to it even if its not true.
 
Jordinho said:
In all likelihood there's more to it than that, but it creates a headline.
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parklane1 said:
True and what makes it worse is that some people believe it and react to it even if its not true.
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Right, but some Dutch journalists (iirc) said as early as last week that a deal was on and that AZ was just maneuvering for a bit more money. Then Janssen himself said the same thing - we'd offered a lot of money by his standards (and by the standards of Dutch football), and AZ turned it down, wanting more money but not clarifying how much.

Given that context, saying that we're a bit apart in terms of the valuation of the player seems reasonable, and putting a figure to it also isn't as far-fetched as would be the case in transfers involving more circumspect people - clearly, with Janssen, Janssen's agent, AZ's sporting director, Dutch journos and random pundits all publicly commenting on the transfer, there's a lot of information going from AZ into the public sphere. Perhaps even the valuation they actually place on Janssen versus how much we offered.

It isn't quite as loud as Jeremy Peace's 'WE REJECTED A BID FROM SPURS WORTH 22.5 MILLION POUNDS OVER FIVE YEARS, AS THIS OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON OUR CLUB WEBSITE CLEARLY STATES' last summer, but it's getting there.
 
indianspur said:
If the difference is in fact 1.5 mill then we should just pay it now and get him in.
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It may not be that simple though. For all we know Levy may have already gone 1 or 2 million over our valuation of the player, in order to get to this stage. So saying we should just pay the 1.5m difference to get it done could mean we are paying even further above what we believe to be a realistic fee. There has to be a cut-off point, otherwise it is wholly a seller's market. Like anything else, it's all about the context and we just don't have that. I do however hope we and AZ can find a way to get this done.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
It may not be that simple though. For all we know Levy may have already gone 1 or 2 million over our valuation of the player, in order to get to this stage. So saying we should just pay the 1.5m difference to get it done could mean we are paying even further above what we believe to be a realistic fee. There has to be a cut-off point, otherwise it is wholly a seller's market. Like anything else, it's all about the context and we just don't have that. I do however hope we and AZ can find a way to get this done.
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Yes but it is a seller's market and half decent strikers are very hard to come by.

If the deal is so close then I'm sure it will get done soon. It seems the player really really wants to join Spurs and it would be nice for Poch to have his signings in before pre season starts
 
Glenda's Legs said:
It may not be that simple though. For all we know Levy may have already gone 1 or 2 million over our valuation of the player, in order to get to this stage. So saying we should just pay the 1.5m difference to get it done could mean we are paying even further above what we believe to be a realistic fee. There has to be a cut-off point, otherwise it is wholly a seller's market. Like anything else, it's all about the context and we just don't have that. I do however hope we and AZ can find a way to get this done.
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Its easy for some to say things like that, especially when its not their money.
 
parklane1 said:
Its easy for some to say things like that, especially when its not their money.
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Sort of is, though. Our owner's not a philanthropist by any stretch of the imagination - the amount he's ploughed in over a decade and a half is negligible compared to annual revenues. The club is run on the money generated by the fans, at least in part (the other parts being TV and commercial revenue), which comes from merchandise, membership and ticket sales.

So, technically, it is 'their' money.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Sort of is, though. Our owner's not a philanthropist by any stretch of the imagination - the amount he's ploughed in over a decade and a half is negligible compared to annual revenues. The club is run on the money generated by the fans, at least in part (the other parts being TV and commercial revenue), which comes from merchandise, membership and ticket sales.

So, technically, it is 'their' money.
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A very small part and that is the choice of the fans anyway.
 
DubaiSpur said:
Sort of is, though. Our owner's not a philanthropist by any stretch of the imagination - the amount he's ploughed in over a decade and a half is negligible compared to annual revenues. The club is run on the money generated by the fans, at least in part (the other parts being TV and commercial revenue), which comes from merchandise, membership and ticket sales.

So, technically, it is 'their' money.
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We do like to think of it as our money but as with anything you buy, be it a football ticket or shirt, a car, a phone, a sandwich, you touch yourself in exchange for the goods/service you are receiving. I doubt I would get very far telling Apple how to spend their income because I have contributed to it.
Not quite the same thing I know, there is a huge amount of emotion vested in supporting a football club, unlike other organisations from whom we purchase things. We want our club to do well, we feel we are a part of the club, and we want our club to spend to achieve success, and the fact we have contributed financially as well as emotionally means we do have the right to have an opinion on how that success is achieved. It doesn't mean our opinion is always right, however.
 
I know YouTube isn't anything to go on and he's only in the Dutch league but the technique he uses in scoring a lot of his goals and the variety of goals fills me with hope this will be a stellar signing.

Also to score so many for AZ and not psv or Ajax is also promising.

Although I cannot understand how feyenoord got it so wrong to release him! That worries me because Dutch football is all about bringing through the youth now more than ever before.

How could feyenoord get it so badly wrong!
 
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