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two issues here, the offside decision, which by the current laws was offside, and the missed holding call, which is nothing to do with VAR, yet, even with VAR, that the officials still didn't spot it, reflects very badly on them
 
GNev was last night.
:confused: That's not what I got from Neville. What he defended was the ref going to the camera, not the handball decision. That, he said, was 'a nonsense.'

'Neville disagreed with Carragher about referees consulting pitchside screens before finalising decisions, but agreed that the application of VAR needs to change.

"Going to the screen isn't the problem," he said. "What's happened now is that referees' authority is being questioned, their credibility is being questioned and they are even doubting themselves.

"It's the application of technology that is the big problem in this moment in time, and the rules themselves. The handball is a nonsense. The offside rule about the arm is a nonsense. Those two rules need changing. At that point, VAR will become more acceptable.'
 
:confused: That's not what I got from Neville. What he defended was the ref going to the camera, not the handball decision. That, he said, was 'a nonsense.'

'Neville disagreed with Carragher about referees consulting pitchside screens before finalising decisions, but agreed that the application of VAR needs to change.

"Going to the screen isn't the problem," he said. "What's happened now is that referees' authority is being questioned, their credibility is being questioned and they are even doubting themselves.

"It's the application of technology that is the big problem in this moment in time, and the rules themselves. The handball is a nonsense. The offside rule about the arm is a nonsense. Those two rules need changing. At that point, VAR will become more acceptable.'

He said the technology was good. Direct quote. Saying the handball rule is a joke shows he believes the interpretation is the problem. What are you on about?
 
VAR is in its infancy. It has a great deal of evolution to go through as do the referees!

Fans must be listened to but not pandered to.
 
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For Villas disallowed goal, it was offside under the current rule. For the foul, the on-pitch ref missed it, they claim that the VAR ref looked at it.

If the VAR ref looked at it and didn't give a pen, can someone explain to me how that is down to the technology and not down to human error and an incompetent ref?
 
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For Villas disallowed goal, it was offside under the current rule. For the foul, the on-pitch ref missed it, they claim that the VAR ref looked at it.

If the VAR ref looked at it and didn't give a pen, can someone explain to me how that is down to the technology and not down to human error and an incompetent ref?

THIS!

Same for every contested VAR decision that I can think of.
 
For Villas disallowed goal, it was offside under the current rule. For the foul, the on-pitch ref missed it, they claim that the VAR ref looked at it.

If the VAR ref looked at it and didn't give a pen, can someone explain to me how that is down to the technology and not down to human error and an incompetent ref?
But that’s obvious isn’t it? Of course a computer /camera can’t be wrong on its own. The whole point/issue with VAR is that you still have humans making the final decisions. Football isn’t black and white, one mans penalty is another mans play on, VAR was never going to eradicate that from the game, it’s completely naive to think otherwise.

i don’t think anyone is saying VAR, the technology itself, is wrong are they? At least I don’t think that’s what they are saying when they say VAR is fudged? It’s the whole thing, human operators included that people are moaning about. Basically as Neville seems to have been saying on Monday.
 
But that’s obvious isn’t it? Of course a computer /camera can’t be wrong on its own. The whole point/issue with VAR is that you still have humans making the final decisions. Football isn’t black and white, one mans pelanty is another mans play on, VAR was never going to eradicate that from the game, it’s completely naive to think otherwise.

i don’t think anyone is saying VAR, the technology itself, is wrong are they? At least I don’t think that’s what they are saying when they say VAR is fudged? It’s the whole thing, human operators included that people are moaning about. Basically as Neville seems to have been saying on Monday.

Yes it is, the laws are set, carefully worded.

VAR is simple, it gives the humans a chance for a second/third/fourth/slow motion look at things, if they are still getting it wrong, fire them and hire some who are competent.

Whats the alternative to VAR, go back to accepting mistakes and inconsistency, the idea of that sickens me, it would probably turn me off. Bad officiating is the biggest problem in football, they have to fix that or the game is dead.
 
Yes it is, the laws are set, carefully worded.

VAR is simple, it gives the humans a chance for a second/third/fourth/slow motion look at things, if they are still getting it wrong, fire them and hire some who are competent.

Whats the alternative to VAR, go back to accepting mistakes and inconsistency, the idea of that sickens me, it would probably turn me off. Bad officiating is the biggest problem in football, they have to fix that or the game is dead.
I disagree with your first paragraph (there is loads of room for interpretation in the rules, hence the problem!) and last paragraph (football was better before VAR, so the alternative looks pretty appealing right now).
 
But that’s obvious isn’t it? Of course a computer /camera can’t be wrong on its own. The whole point/issue with VAR is that you still have humans making the final decisions. Football isn’t black and white, one mans pelanty is another mans play on, VAR was never going to eradicate that from the game, it’s completely naive to think otherwise.

i don’t think anyone is saying VAR, the technology itself, is wrong are they? At least I don’t think that’s what they are saying when they say VAR is fudged? It’s the whole thing, human operators included that people are moaning about. Basically as Neville seems to have been saying on Monday.
How is wrapping your arms around someone's neck/chest open to interpretation? It's a blatant foul. I haven't heard anyone say it wasn't a foul beside the VAR Ref.
There will always be grey areas but the black and white ones should be called correctly with VAR and a competent ref. If the ref is still making clear mistakes
with the use of VAR he should be sacked.
 
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